Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mbilla on March 21, 2003, 11:18:27 AM
Title: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: mbilla on March 21, 2003, 11:18:27 AM
Hi
Will send money today, AO G4 XE will arrive end March beginning April.
Just got confirmation from KDH-Shop Germany.
;-)
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Warface on March 21, 2003, 11:23:10 AM
Congratulations :-) Hope delivery deadlines will meet, and wishing many fun with your new machine :-)
Hope all the XEs will be delivered that fast :-)
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Helgis75 on March 21, 2003, 11:47:03 AM
I'm quite sure my A1G4XE also will arrive early April, as i live in Norway :-)
Shouldn't be too long..:-)
Title: My AmigaONE G4
Post by: strass on March 21, 2003, 12:47:40 PM
As soon as AmigaOS 4.00 PPC will be avaiable I will buy my AmigaONE G4-XE. I hope at that time the G4 will be at more then 800mhz and I hope that delivery time will be shorter tan now !!!
Title: Re: My AmigaONE G4
Post by: Ami603 on March 21, 2003, 01:45:43 PM
I hope mine arrives soon also :-D:-D:-D:-D
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: olegil on March 21, 2003, 02:00:15 PM
@Helgis75:
Where in Norway, and are you going to AmiGBG? I'm still considering, but I hate driving alone :-) (but I prefer it to travelling by bus/boat alone, for some reason)
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: JurassicCamper on March 21, 2003, 02:04:25 PM
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mbilla wrote: Hi
Will send money today, AO G4 XE will arrive end March beginning April.
Just got confirmation from KDH-Shop Germany.
;-)
Optimist :-P :-P :-D
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Kronos on March 21, 2003, 02:45:34 PM
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JurassicCamper wrote:
Optimist :-P :-P :-D
/me is not so sure .....
What does "confirmation" mean ? Back than I told KDH to drop me an email when the got a board "with my name on it", so that I could send the money.
But that wouldn't take ~2 weeks .... (under 1 in my case).
That what did they say/write ? "We got the boards here, and are just serching for some post-stamps" "Alan said they will come, and in Alan we trust" "We just put another bogus release-date on our page and have decided that it is time to cash in"
(o.k. the cashing-in part doesn't really sound like KDH)
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Lando on March 21, 2003, 02:55:45 PM
I don't understand why people are paying money now for boards that, currently, will only run Linux.
Surely, if you want to run Linux this badly, you can get an x86 board with everything fully integrated for £50 instead of paying ten times that for the PPC board.
And suppose OS4 isn't released (I'm not suggesting it wont be), what will you do with your board then ? Beg Genesi to port MorphOS?
Surely if you want to run AmigaOS 4 you should wait until it is finished, tested, and released before taking such a big risk?
Still, maybe £500 is not a lot of money to some people, I don't know...
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: xeron on March 21, 2003, 03:09:15 PM
@Lando
I've ordered an AmigaONE XE G4 800, even though I hate linux. Why? for these reasons:
1) The specification list for OS4 is much closer to what I want for an updated AmigaOS than MorphOS's feature list.
2) Hyperion do have a track record of releasing products.
3) Whether or not it was Mr. Bucks fault, I do not trust a company run by the people who ran Viscorp after reading what Mr. Sassenrath and some other disgruntled employees had to say about it. This is not a slight against bPlan, or the MorphOS team who I am sure are doing a good job.
4) I want a product as the AmigaOS 4 featurelist describes, and I am prepared to take a financial risk to let the people involved know I am serious about wanting such a product.
5) All my dealings with Eyetech have been great. Eyetech have always come across as people prepared to go the extra mile to make sure their customers are happy.
6) I used to talk on BorgNet (a FidoNet style network) with Will Redhouse (Alans son :)
Now, £800 (as my AmigaONE system is going to cost me once its all added up), is a HELL of a lot of money for me, but I want the product described by the AmigaOS featurelist so badly i'm prepared to take that risk and hope that the product eventually arrives as described.
You may not understand taking such a risk, but I guess I like to live on the edge :-D
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Agafaster on March 21, 2003, 03:14:56 PM
...Not to mention that 800 quid is [color=996600]CHEAP[/color] for a big box Amiga.... how much was the 030/25 A4000 when it came out ? and the comparable 3/486DX 25 PeeCee ?
/edit:
Just spoken to Eyetech (ordered a TOTAL Amiga issue !) they are about to update their Website as soon as they get time - "please bear with us !"
"Developer machines have gone out., awaiting delivery of User boards from far east."
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: carls on March 21, 2003, 03:56:35 PM
£800... I don't think that's CHEAP. The A1 architecture isn't "big box"-architecture, it's consumer-level architecture!
Yes, when the A3000 came out it beat the sh*t out of PCs in the same price range but this doesn't go for the A1.
My new PC cost me £615 including a 17" monitor, ATX case, Athlon 1.8GHz GeForce 4 MX etc. and this is hardware that runs in circles around the A1 (according to benchmarks posted here at a.org).
I can understand that the manufacturing costs for the A1 is higher than your average PC MoBo but I feel that if the Amiga is going to have chance the prices need to be more competitive.
Of course I'm excited about the new Amiga and the new OS and I can understand people who put their money in it. However: Personally I wouldn't buy it until I see a review of an A1 with OS4 -- and a price drop.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Atheist on March 21, 2003, 03:58:59 PM
Yes, it is expensive, but from memory, I spent
Can UKP 2000 = 857 1989 A2000 1 meg chip, 1 floppy, + 6% tax 500 = 214 1989 1084 monitor (not the 1084S, that was $50 more) +6% tax 300=128 1990 GVP Series II impact SCSI ram card, no tax 560 = 240 1990 8 * 1 meg SIMMs 80 ns, no tax 905 = 388 1990 Fujitsu 180 Meg SCSI HD, incl. tax
Totals 4440 Can = 1902 UKP
Amiga was ALWAYS too expensive. They could have AT LEAST put SIMM sockets on the A500, A600, A2000, and A1200 motherboards, but THEY WERE CROOKS!!!! (Reference is to Commodore BM)
I would still like to get the Megachip 2000 (at least $150) and an accelerator ($1200 Can + ram). Cripes! And that, a 60Mhz 060 and a 604 (@240MHz?)!!!!
Then, I'm still using AOS 1.3.3!!! I'd like to get the 3.0 and a rom switcher, and AOS 3.5 or 3.9.
Then, I still don't get to see the beauty of AGA. Maybe, one day I'll find one still for sale at Soft(ware)Hut.
So, if I end up spending a bit much for an AmigaOne, I still spent more before. I'm shooting for the 1.3 GHz. I've put a partial pre-payment on an A1XE 800, so that they at least hold on to One for me. My plan is to put in 2 Gigs, and a RAID card (I want the fastest boot time possible :-D). I'm even going to try it, with booting off of a Compact Flash card, that ought to SHOCK the guy putting it together for me :-D :-D :-D Hahahaha!!
I wish they would just go ahead and make the OCS/ECS/AGA emulator. Pick the Back 2 the Roots (http://os.amiga.com/forums) poll if you are interested.
AmigaOne! "Whatever, whenever wherever", I just prefer, "Everything"!!!!! :-D
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: mbilla on March 21, 2003, 04:02:51 PM
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What does "confirmation" mean ?
Well as I don't life in Germany I have to make a money transfer to Germany. KDH wrote me the boards will ship in the first week of April. So if I do transfer the money now it will arrive in time. :-)
and yes 800 Euros are a lot of money, for 120 Euros I could also get a very fast micro ATX board with MPEG encoder and decoder, soundchips and all the other connections to run any LINUX but I already have a lot of computers and my Amiga Collection wants a faster Amiga :-)
Why wait for Pegagos? I have seen their computers but they're not avaible until 6 months. So I hope Amiga OS 4 will be finished by than. But I don't think I will do much with Amiga OS because I just use my Amigas for PageStream and Internetsurfing and one Amiga as router for all the rest of the computers I own. All the rest I do under Linux or Mac and from my job on PCs.
Bye Manou
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Darth_X on March 21, 2003, 04:19:40 PM
Honestly, it should NOT be sold as an AmigaONE until at least it is shipping *with* AmigaOS4.
*emperors new clothes*
I still don't see what makes a generic PPC motherboard without an operating system an Amiga. Its only an Amiga in trademark name.
Hence at this point an Amiga could be a $200 x86 PC running linux for all we care.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Atheist on March 21, 2003, 04:21:33 PM
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carls wrote: £800... I don't think that's CHEAP.
.........
I can understand that the manufacturing costs for the A1 is higher than your average PC MoBo but I feel that if the Amiga is going to have chance the prices need to be more competitive.
..........
True, too true, but we're also paying for the R&D. If Eyetech made 25,000 or more boards, the price could probably be half of that.
I look at it 3 ways,
1. I HAVE to have an OS that thinks like I do, allows ME to call the shots, and *I* understand.
2. When and where else will some one/corp CUSTOM build something for YOU; WE'RE SPECIAL!!!!
3. They risked ALOT for a noisy crowd, so we better keep OUR, no I will only speak for myself, MY end of end of the bargain!!
Don't forget, here in Canada the full version of xp, home edition, is 343.50 Can=147 UKP, by itself.
AmigaOne! Built JUST FOR ME!!!! (I used the rest of you for leverage! :-P :-P )
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Kronos on March 21, 2003, 04:30:25 PM
@Atheist
Häh ????????
Amigas were cheap and thats why they sold so good.
In 1990 the A500 costed 800 DM (400 Euro), a starter PC was around 2000DM (we are talking low-end 286 here).
An A2000 was around 1500DM, but simply offered more than PCs. And it was very usable for video, something even 10000 DM PCs couldn't do.
So yes they were cheap.
The price/power factor for the AA-Amigas was in about the same region as PCs of that time, and thats why they sold far worse than the OCS-ones.
"SIMM-Sockets" ? What kind of sockets are you talking about ? Before 1989 everybody was using DRAM in DIL-packs, just like the ones soldered onto the OCS-mobos. Than there was ZIP-packs (used in the A3k) and SIPPs (used on some Z2-cards), but try to find some of those today. Later came the first 8(9) bit SIMMS, followed by PS/2 (FP or EDO) and now DIMMs (SDR or DDR).
Those standarts only live for a very short period of time.
And something I will never understand: Why does everybody want that OCS/AA-emu ? What SW is out there that wouldn't run in UAE, but on this one ? (must be AA-only and PPC) Why not just keep the "real" Amiga for games and such (which will most likely not run under such an emu) ?
This OS-update is about getting away from that legacy stuff, not about dragging a dead horse ....
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Atheist on March 21, 2003, 04:47:58 PM
I just checked at Cloanto.com.
I didn't know they have "limited" AGA support in "Amiga Forever".
It still would be preferable to make an emu based on Hyperions, built in address space code support.
Ack, forgot about needing a Catweasel for A1.
AmigaOne! Amiga Always!
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: strobe on March 21, 2003, 04:50:40 PM
@Tickly
Why not wait for AOS4 to actually be released? It makes no sense to pre-pay for technology, prices are always going down.
Taking the "risk" is pretty stupid considering you could wait until AOS4 is released, you try it, decide if you like it, THEN buy it.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: filson on March 21, 2003, 07:14:18 PM
@mbilla
lets see some dhrystone benchmarks when you get it. I have high hopes for the extremely fast context switching Amiga OS promices. And the "independent gui update". There is nothing more anoying than windows locking up when swapping large files (larger than memory buffer) from disk or even worse, usb flash drives. Lack of such "features" will be warmly welcomed :-)
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: on March 21, 2003, 08:30:05 PM
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strobe wrote: @Tickly
Why not wait for AOS4 to actually be released? It makes no sense to pre-pay for technology, prices are always going down.
Taking the "risk" is pretty stupid considering you could wait until AOS4 is released, you try it, decide if you like it, THEN buy it.
If nobody buys the motherboard before OS4 comes out, the price won't come down when OS4 comes out.
For me, I'm buying of the hardware now because:
1) I'm a geeky person who wants to play with LinuxPPC and MacOnLinux,
2) I believe buying the hardware supports the people creating stuff I want created.
It is a risk, but I don't believe it to be a stupid risk. I won't be in financial ruin if my investment in this hardware goes nowhere.
Andrew
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: xeron on March 21, 2003, 08:31:01 PM
So because I'm taking the risk I'm immediately stupid? thanks for the personal insult.
Firstly, I love AmigaOS. I love programming for AmigaOS, i love using AmigaOS, i love tweeking AmigaOS. I want a fast updated PowerPC AmigaOS (or close to), so my options are basically Peg/MorphOS or A1/AmigaOS.
My purchasing decision is based on the published featurelists of the two supposed successors to AmigaOS. Both products are an unknown quantity; Who knows what the "Q-Box" or MorphOS is going to be like?
(Note: I'm not claiming you are automatically a MOS zealot because you think I should wait and see OS4; I know you were just saying why not sit back and wait and see, and I can see the logic of that. I'm just pointing out that either choice is still a somewhat unknown quantity).
if you are sitting back and waiting to see the products, thats fine, and I don't call you stupid because of it.
The fact is the AmigaOS4 project looks really interesting to me, interesting enough for me to take a little financial risk over. Lets face it £800 is a lot of money, but if it ends up that i'm investing in the next betamax, its not going to put me out of house and home!
I want to show support for this project now because its something I really want to see come to fruition.
So please, don't call me stupid because I'm willing to take a little risk on a promising product.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: AmiNTT on March 22, 2003, 12:29:55 AM
Oh... I can't wait! I hope OS4.0 will be ready in time for it to arrive here in Canada.
Forgive my drool...
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: duesi on March 22, 2003, 12:44:26 AM
@carls @Lando I agree..
At the time when somebody makes a nice thread about OS4 is cool and rocks then I will order my AOne... I have a 4000 and a PC with WinUAE so I wanna be sure before spending lots of money..
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: poweramiga2002 on March 22, 2003, 04:13:47 AM
I must be stupid as well as ive ordered and paid for my A1back in october or is it the fact i know that this is the real thing and the A1 and os4 is a definate future for me and many others that actualy makes us smart because we will be uptodate with the system when the others are just starting out ane we also pave the path for the rest of you to have cheaper A1 computors we will be around for many years to come
so the world may know the amiga is back bigger stronger and faster
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: strobe on March 22, 2003, 04:17:39 AM
@Tickly
The risk is "stupid" because there's no risk/reward. You only have interest in AmigaOS4 and it isn't here yet! You could wait and remove the risk and be rewarded as well.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: poweramiga2002 on March 22, 2003, 04:32:02 AM
strobe
if every body had your attitude there woudent be any chance the amiga would survive its ppl like me that give the companies incentive to fight on
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Rudei on March 22, 2003, 10:00:28 AM
@poweramiga2002
I agree with you 100% If everybody "waits and sees" then this will stifle development time further - if Eyetech had no pre-orders, they may think no-one wanted the A1s etc etc
If I`m prepared to take a risk by buying a system that has no completed OS, then thats my choice.
Don`t critise me for it, after it, its my money and frankly I`ll do what the hell I like with it.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: mahen on March 22, 2003, 10:10:41 AM
@rudei
I disagree : it's not as if Eyetech was essential to the AmigaOS 4. Hyperion is making OS4, for Teron renamed AmigaOne boards imported by Eyetech.
You should rather buy Hyperion games to support directly AmigaOS4.
Well, anyway I respect all the guys who purchased an A1 : they want to support the platform and invest a lot of themselves with a very high risk.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: PulsatingQuasar on March 22, 2003, 11:53:38 AM
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Don`t critise me for it, after it, its my money and frankly I`ll do what the hell I like with it.
Totally agree!!
It's also my money and I will buy a preordered AOne too. AmigaOS 4 will arrive and it will be great.
I don't care what anybody else says because frankly the arguments to make me not buy an AOne (for whatever reason) were not convinsing.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: xeron on March 22, 2003, 01:36:41 PM
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strobe wrote: The risk is "stupid" because there's no risk/reward. You only have interest in AmigaOS4 and it isn't here yet! You could wait and remove the risk and be rewarded as well.
I could, but I don't want to. That doesn't make me stupid! The fact is that AmigaOS4/AmigaONE needs early adopters to show Eyetech/Hyperion that people want what they are aiming to achieve and that they are serious about it.
If you don't want to take the risk and be an early adopter, that is up to you and I totally understand the logic behind it. Thats fine; that is a smart thing to do. Well done you, have a pat on the back.
The fact that I'm prepared to stump up the cash now and be an early adopter does not make me stupid. Its my money, don't tell me how to spend it or accuse me of being stupid.
And to all those thinking it; it also doesn't make me a blind worshipper either. If the MorphOS product plan was more inline with what I wanted for a future operating system, I would be buying a Pegasos now instead.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: olegil on March 22, 2003, 02:04:25 PM
Well, I think I would like to state this once and for all: People use money on different things. For me, it was a no-brainer. I've had so much fun with my AmigaOne over the last 10 months, and learned a lot of things about Linux I didn't know (which comes in handy at work :-) )
I think everyone should go with their gut-feeling. Mine said "Jump on it", so I did. I don't regret it. I don't regret buying an A500 back in '89 either. And I certainly don't regret the fun I have had with the A1200 I bought in 93. Hmm, seems I don't have many regrets about computers, does it? Oh well, comes from only expecting a bit of fun, never expecting the second coming or something. Tell you what. Don't treat the Amiga as a religion, treat it as a toy. And be prepared to buy some more toys!!! :-)
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Atheist on March 22, 2003, 05:35:29 PM
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Kronos wrote: @Atheist
"SIMM-Sockets" ? What kind of sockets are you talking about ? Before 1989 everybody was using DRAM in DIL-packs, just like the ones soldered onto the OCS-mobos. Than there was ZIP-packs (used in the A3k) and SIPPs (used on some Z2-cards), but try to find some of those today. Later came the first 8(9) bit SIMMS, followed by PS/2 (FP or EDO) and now DIMMs (SDR or DDR).
Well, maybe not the A500 and the A2000, it would have cost alot to redesign them. But the CD32, A600, A3000, and A1200 could have had them. I have 8 SIMM sockets on a GVP Impact Series II SCSI card, which I bought in 1990. And a friend of mine bought a 33 MHz 386 in May 1990 that supported, I believe, upto 32 Megs in SIMM sockets on the MB.
AmigaOne! 2 Gigs, BABY!!!! :-D :-D
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: on March 23, 2003, 02:55:15 AM
I'm not rich, but I beleive, for the price, we're gonna get one hell of a computer. For that reason, God willing, I plan to "plant" (donate) one or two Amigas to a community-oriented center. One in my local parish's Youth Center, for kids to use for their homework, etc., and another one in one of our city's recreation centerfor the same purpose. One of our local banks donated ten used PC's running Windows 98 to a local battered women's shelter, but, isn't Microsoft leery about passing on ownership of their software without paying them re-licensing fees? I just hope they don't find out.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: magnetic on March 23, 2003, 06:12:53 AM
Why is it everytime someone says they support Genesi and MOS someone chimes in "another MORPHOS ass*@#) This is tiresome. I am a HUGE AMIGA supporter and thing Hyperion are great guys and I know they will finish their product. When is the question - then there is performance issues.... One thing nobody talks about is Pegasos has BUILT IN FIREWIRE with TITAN software releasing a DV Editing software for MOS!! This is a killer feature. Combined with the Prostation Audio you have a very nice modern VIDEO SOLUTION - what the AMiga was made for! Not only that you get the MOS which WORKS and Works well. Their JIT 68k emu is in place and steamin' I wish Ainc and Hyperion good luck.. I hope they get out a beta to the public for viewing before MOS is released for Power Up PPC cards! ( Then you'll really see alot of MorphOS "Ass#@!) I would not invest $800 on a board with no OS. I can also run MOL on the Pegasos. I know the Pegasos is no longer available, but It is prudent to wait. Remember BOXER? Remember PreBox?
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: strobe on March 23, 2003, 06:35:16 AM
Frankly I don't know how the hell MOS got in this thread! Hrm, checking the previous posts it seems Tickly is dangerously close to being labeled by me again.
WTF is this crazy if not MOS then Linux/PPC A1 board? I get enough of this "logic" in presidential elections.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: xeron on March 23, 2003, 12:21:59 PM
MOS got into this thread because I explained that the two solutions that most closely fit what I want for a system is MorphOS and AmigaOS4, is all.
I was not claiming that they are the only two options, or that anyone who has posted here is saying that I should go for MOS, or anything like that. Obviously if people want AROS, Amithlon, BeOS, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, OS/2 Warp or whatever, they're welcome to it. Also, if you're sitting back and waiting to see products, thats ok also.
I just wanted to clarify my reasons for choosing the AmigaONE/OS4, and also say that if MOS had been more inline with what i want, I would have ordered a Pegasos right now despite that the future of MOS is also unclear.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: xeron on March 23, 2003, 12:23:14 PM
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Why is it everytime someone says they support Genesi and MOS someone chimes in "another MORPHOS ass*@#)
When did that happen? I can't see anyone being shouted down for liking any operating system here.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Warface on March 23, 2003, 04:43:10 PM
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Well, anyway I respect all the guys who purchased an A1: they want to support the platform and invest a lot of themselves with a very high risk.
Couldn't say better. Without this attitude we'd be dead since long.
Every new hardware and software is a "good to have" tm. I'm glad to see, that we have alternatives.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: on March 24, 2003, 01:48:29 PM
Didnt receive any date from KDH yet, I ordered pretty late though.
-- "Welcome to Oz. Bush needs a brain. Cheney needs a heart. And Congress needs courage."
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Karlos on March 24, 2003, 02:07:49 PM
As long as it isn't 1st April 2003 :-D :lol:
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: MarkTime on March 24, 2003, 02:29:35 PM
if eyetech had no pre-orders, their estimation of the Amiga market would go *up* a notch.
pre-ordering is really a mistake, its not an incentive to produce more, its the opposite. The goal is to make money....pre-ordering suggests that you can get the money without actually producing anything. Strobe correctly pointed out, that pre-ordering suggests ignorance and lack of savvy. Even companies accepting the money don't really have 'respect' for the people who pre-order.
Consider Amiga, Inc. how much respect do they show the club members, when month after month goes by, and they don't produce the t-shirt.
I hope you are not offended, I don't know you personally, and I am not speaking therefore, directly to you personally. It's not an attack on you, in specific, but that is how pre-orders are perceived by many people.
FYI, pre-paying breeds disrespect and contempt, especially by those who are taking the money.
Just think about it, a person.....or a group of people, usually develops a reputation over time. A person can have any type of reputation...'cheap', 'generous', 'tough', 'weak', 'kind', 'cruel', etc.....
It seems that a certain segment of the amiga hobbyists is determined to develop the reputations 'easy mark', 'gullible', 'soon parted with their money'.
Hey, go for it....but its really totally unnecessary...nobody has suggested a good reason yet to pre-order. Does Alan really need the money badly? His business cannot survive without a community loan? The idea, that somehow Alan 'needs' the money as an incentive, seems to be the most common myth presented as a reason for pre-ordering.
If this is really true, that he needs the money, it would be important to know it! Let Alan confirm it. If he's on the virge of bankruptcy, he should tell all his potential investors and pre-order loan friends in the Amiga community, so they can choose (or choose not to) loan him money in the form of a pre-order.....
I'd hate to see people lose their investment....loaning money to someone on the virge of bankruptcy, is *STUPID*.
Now....he's not on the virge of bankruptcy. That was just a discussion about the reasons that were presented. Fact is...he's not going bankrupt and he can conduct business in the usual fashion. There is no need or good reason to pre-order. Prices go down, markets shift. It is wise to wait.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Rudei on March 24, 2003, 03:12:16 PM
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FYI, pre-paying breeds disrespect and contempt, especially by those who are taking the money.
and FYI - no money has been taken from my card, I haven`t yet paid for anything... so that kinda pisses on your argument really doesnt it
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: SlimJim on March 24, 2003, 03:22:25 PM
I have preordered an AmigaOne.
I would never pre-pay an AmigaOne.
There is a world of difference (or a language problem). . SlimJim
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: JurassicCamper on March 24, 2003, 03:32:04 PM
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SlimJim wrote: I have preordered an AmigaOne.
I would never pre-pay an AmigaOne.
There is a world of difference. . SlimJim
The shady ground in the middle though means they can put the prices up because you havn't pre-paid.
This leave you paying Eyetech more for your order. They have recently done this with their prices.
If you pre-ordered a Board & Ram you are now gonna have to pay 16% more for your RAM. Even if the price was less the day you ordered it.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Darth_X on March 24, 2003, 04:08:45 PM
Anyone know of any Software Developers (coders) pre-ordering the AmigaONE's, or are most developers buying the Pegasos motherboards right now?
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: SlimJim on March 24, 2003, 04:10:25 PM
@Jurrasic Camper
Actually I ordered from my local dealer (GGS), not from Eyetech directly. But I thought the predicted prize of the AOne MB had gone down actually? I seem to remember seeing that on GGS (haven't kept tabs on the accessories like RAM and the like though). . SlimJim
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: xeron on March 25, 2003, 01:51:23 PM
@MarkTime:
But eyetech are not taking money until they ship the goods.
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: MarkTime on March 25, 2003, 02:40:27 PM
I see thanks for the clarification.
In pre-ordering, you haven't sent a payment, but simply made a gesture indicating that you will purchase the board when it ships, but are under no obligation to do so. I.E. you could cancel the pre-order. By the same token, after listening to the other responses, I see that Eyetech is also not under any obligation to commit to any particular pricing.
With that said, I'm not sure what you have done...perhaps gotten some of the paperwork of ordering done in advance, if there is a significant backlog of orders, perhaps you will recieve your board a day before someone else in the queue...
I stand corrected. Certainly this 'pre-order' scheme doesn't amount to anything worth commenting on.
My confusion came from comment number one of this thread:
>>Hi
>>Will send money today
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: SlimJim on March 25, 2003, 02:58:36 PM
I too was wondering where he was sending his money ... :-) Perhaps he knows something we don't?
I at least know for sure that my local dealer don't accept pre-payments, and I seriously doubt Eyetech does either. . SlimJim
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: SlimJim on March 25, 2003, 03:00:44 PM
I'm a "cult member" !
And I didn't even notice the change! ;-) . SlimJim
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: Agafaster on March 25, 2003, 04:32:25 PM
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SlimJim wrote: I'm a "cult member" !
And I didn't even notice the change! ;-) . SlimJim
Hmm. Seems to be around the 500 mark. Still a looong way to go !
I will probably be one aswell by the time I get me A1 bits. just as long as it doesnt come at the same time as the 1st Division Play Offs !! :-o :-P :-D :pint:
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: SSSMoves on March 25, 2003, 04:59:20 PM
I hope mine would arive soooon I'm on high school and I really need a new computter.
Waiting is very anoing now, especially i must make reports (pagestream is very good but i want more)
ill wait from november by now..... :boohoo:
if eyetech doesn't hurry up soon, I am forced to buy an stoopid peecee :cry: because the programs i need are only written for Micro$oft.
Please mr. moss can you just hurry up a little bit......... i begoing a little bit crasy :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: vortexau on March 26, 2003, 01:57:50 PM
MarkTime said:
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.....nobody has suggested a good reason yet to pre-order.......
You havn't forgotten that pre-paying is the usual system used in subscribing to a magazine? Those who do so are acting in faith that their magazines will actually be delivered month-by-month.
Do you perceive magazine publishers to have "disrespect and contempt" for their subscribers?
Title: Re: my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)
Post by: MarkTime on March 26, 2003, 03:44:39 PM
this is an edit: (w/o a response yet, I decided to edit to be more eloquent)
A magazine publisher is actually responding to the wishes of their customers. Use a 24 issue subscription as an example. I get a discount for buying 24 issues over one. Great, that is a value to me. I can purchase at the newstand if I want, but I have the option of this great discount.
Secondly, the publisher of the magazine would love to fulfill that order for 24 magazines, with 24 copies of a March 1998 back issue that is rotting in a warehouse somewhere. Apparantly their St.Patrick's Day with Monica Lewinsky special edition never sold as well as they hoped.
But they can't. You see it is me, as the SUBSCRIBER demanding that they send me only 24 future issues, once each month for 2 years. That is what I want, an information service...not simply 24 issues . And yes, I expect this service to begin almost immediately, I do not plan to pre-order for the 'service'...only that I want the service to continue for 2 years. If I wanted back issues, I would have ordered them....that is offered...if I wanted 24 copies of this months issue, i could do that as well.
The difference between an $800 motherboard and a $5 dollar magazine are two fold...both very important. One is 800 dollars, compared to 5. One is a magazine and the other a motherboard.
Before I edited this, I rambled on and on about the importance of SCALE and CONTEXT, but this letter is more concise. A magazine publisher doesn't show contempt .
But when a company takes pre-payments on computer equipment, its unusual.....and this strangeness is almost always for a reason. Its anecdotal evidence, to be sure...but I have seen the reason for this unusual behaviour, many times....its because a company is either a cheat, or well meaning, but without much money. In the latter case, many well meaning people have taken people's money and never delivered any product.
And that, ultimately, is a huge sign of disrespect, to take people's money and not deliver any product.
Now I liked the way you linked the unrelated topic of magazine subscriptions and pre-paying for a motherboard, and I also liked the way you highlighted my nickname in your response....both are cool concepts, but, again, scale and context, they can't be dismissed when making those leaps in logic. :-o :-o :-o
OK I edited this about 7 times...I'm done! LOL...sorry about that, just kept seeing opportunities for improvement, and I am keeping myself busy...I'm waiting on something nonAmiga related.... :-)