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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: Leifern on August 06, 2005, 03:12:17 AM
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Hi all,
I've been trying alot of AGA games lately on my A1200, but i've noticed that almost none of them run smoothly. Both Chaos Engine and Zool had to be installed using WHDLOAD to even be playable (Well, not Zool really, but Chaos Engine.. MY GOD) I'm just wondering if anybody have had similar experiences, and if there are other ways to get these games running smoothly. I was so upset when i finally put those CE AGA disks in my diskdrive and found the game to be unplayable. :pissed: The same goes for TFX, SC2000 and Theme Park. The '060 really doesn't help me much..
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I played those games also on my A1200 with Blizzard 1260. I they run nicely. The Game TFX was made before the 060. So you need Oxyron Patcher or Cyberpatcher to speed up this game. For the game Themepark and Sim City 2000 are some patches available from Aminet: Theme040.lha and SimCity2000pch.lha.
Type in the CLI the following: CPU. If there are some caches aren't turned on, turn them on.
I played Chaos Engine AGA on my A1200, but the game runs very smoothly.
Have you try Genetic Species on your A1200? This game will fly on your 060. Also try the following games: Flyin' High, Doom, Payback, Gloom and Quake.
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I was so upset when i finally put those CE AGA disks in my diskdrive and found the game to be unplayable.
True. When you boot games from disk alot of them will not work. Even stock A1200 has compatibility problems. Tho more upgrades, the more problems. An A1260 is over the hill when it comes to compatibility.
AGA games should work on a stock 1200 ofcourse. But an 68060 is a different beast. Few people had such monsters those days and not all software was tested using these processors.
This is where whdload steps in. Whdload patches take care of most incompatibilities. When it comes to an 060 you have to set NOTRAP I beleive. This way you allow your 060 pathcer (OxyPatch/CyberPatch/MuRedox) to step in on missing 68k instructions.
My setup runs most games smoothly now. But there are still some games (Giana Sisters for instance) that are troublesome.
So I can only advice you to use whdload and a 060-patcher.
(Or downgrade to an 030 or something which is more compatible).
Good luck
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There is another aspect overlooked right here...
the CopyProtection!!!
on some of the A1200 systems out there, ESCOM I belief, they used cheap FDD's which where not all too compatible with the original drives and some of the games just decided not to work correctly...
by using WHD-Load, it circumvents the copyprotection and thus the software runs a lot better...
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Hehe..Yeah, i've got Cyberpatcher running, and whdload. Well, CEAGA runs VERY smoothly now that i've installed it, so does ZOOLAGA. They didn't when i ran them from disk, and hadn't it been for WhdLoad, i wouldn't bother playing them. I guess this isn't really a troubleshooting thread, but more a "What-the-hell-were-those-programmers-thinking" thread.:crazy: Thanks for the advice anyway. I've never heard of NOTRAP.. How does it work and how do i "set" it?
I've tried the Theme Park patch, but it didn't work. The game is playable on my 060, but there are so many bugs and errors in the game, it drives me crazy! Like the scrolling, and inaccurate-mouse-thing.
Have you try Genetic Species on your A1200? This game will fly on your 060.
Really..?? Hmmm.. I'll have to get hold of that one! Judging from the creenshots, it looks great!
Also try the following games: Flyin' High, Doom, Payback, Gloom and Quake.
Well, i've tried Doom and Gloom. Runs great but Quake? Are you shure? :-o
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Total Chaos AGA was written specifically for A1200 + 060.
No patches needed. No WHDload needed.
Cheers. :-)
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Quake runs at about 10-12 frames per second on A 060/50 MHz with AGA, but it's playable, if you set it in a smaller Windows mode. I get advise you to get Quake executable from Aminet. It's faster than the Clickboom version. To play Quake you need the data files from the original Quake CD.
I forgot to tell you that Genetic Species full version can be downloaded from Aminet.
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Plus the most stupid thing ever is that some games, like Chaos Engine AGA only runs in PAL mode, even though the screen is uses is NTSC (ie large gap at bottom of screen) Even with WHDLoad it needs the tooltype PAL to run. I don't mind PAL games but c'mon! WTF is up with that?
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Yeah.. Thats also quite dumb.. And i can't belive that even after installing Fifa it still runs slow, on a 060.. This seems to be something that alot of programmers overlooked. Strange! But one thing that seems to work very well with AGA is Adventuregames. I wish they had released monkey island 1 & 2 using AGA, like the VGA versions on PC. But i guess Lucasarts gave up on us too early. :-( I'm still wondering about that "NOTRAP". If anyone can give me some more information about this i would be very greatfull! :-)
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As much as I love the classic Amiga hardware, this is exactly the reason that I play all my games in WinUAE.
I can emulate any Amiga configuration I want and since my PC is cheap yet powerful, I never see any chop when playing.
I am a huge fan of the original Amiga hardware, dont get me wrong, but, unfortunately, as things often go when the hardware manufacturer goes under, the hardware platform has bee orphaned. The emmulation available from programs like WinUAE can be a nice (and free!) way to create a "better than the Amiga" Amiga.
Thanks,
Mike
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My wife is a gaming fool, she loves fast shoot=em-ups like Datastorm Deluxe Galaga and platform games as well as Zool, Robocod etc. None of the disks I have will run on my A4000 anymore. They start to a screen of lines and no sound. I suppose the disks are just shot or something. I would like to install UAE on this PC (piece of crap) but I wonder if a 800mhz machine with no graphics/sound card can run it? I did get Llamatron to work but without a joystick port the old keyboard controls just piss her off. Some suggestions for how to get her back in the old Datastorm pilot seat?
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I would think it will do the trick.. But without a soundcard? You've got NO SOUND? Hmm.. Wouldn't make things very enjoyable!? :-P
Well.. A slightly better PC won't cost much, and might be a good investement anyway? I was running UAE on my P4-1.5 ghz with SBlive and GeForce2 and it worked like a charm. But it hardly runs at all on my P200. I won't cost you anything to download WinUae and try it. :crazy:
Yeah,
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since there are so many compatibility problems with an 060 board, would it not be wise to invest in one for my a1200? I've been looking to upgrade and looking at some 060's but I don't want too many headaches with it :(
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I'm very happy with my 060, and i wouldn't want anything else. It's fast and reliable. :roll: And on stuff that was written with the 060 in mind, it really blasts away! Whatever you do, don't get a 040 if you have a desktop amiga. You would have to rip of the trapdor, attach a fan and raise the whole thing.. Well i'm not to big a fan of that kind of abuse.. Ehh.. I just like it when things look nice.. The 060 will certantly get you closer to running Sim City 2000 and TornadoAGA then the 020 ever did!!! :-P
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Re: AGA games...
As much as I love the classic Amiga hardware, this is exactly the reason that I play all my games in WinUAE.
I can emulate any Amiga configuration I want and since my PC is cheap yet powerful, I never see any chop when playing.
I am a huge fan of the original Amiga hardware, dont get me wrong, but, unfortunately, as things often go when the hardware manufacturer goes under, the hardware platform has bee orphaned. The emmulation available from programs like WinUAE can be a nice (and free!) way to create a "better than the Amiga" Amiga.
Thanks,
Mike
Add Amiga Forever 6, and you have taken the exact words out of my mouth. Now put that mobo/video card/HDD/CDROM/Soundcard assembly in an A2000 case with a Catweasel MK IV and you would have the best of both worlds.
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No matter what people say... Chaos Engine NEVER runs smoothly. It's like 20 FPS or something... not smooth scrolling. Not jerky and irregular, true, but smooth, no!
:lol:
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No matter what people say... Chaos Engine NEVER runs smoothly. It's like 20 FPS or something... not smooth scrolling. Not jerky and irregular, true, but smooth, no!
Hehe.. Well, it runs smooth enough for me! :-P
I guess i've gotten used to AGA action games not really living up to my expectations.
Anyway.. How about AGA games that really deliver? Anyone got a title or two to share? Good games, that run like a dream and show of the AMAZING AGA!!! :-P
-- Star Trek 25th anniversary -- :banana: (Well, slow on 020, but GREAT on 060)
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Leifern wrote:
I would think it will do the trick.. But without a soundcard? You've got NO SOUND? Hmm.. Wouldn't make things very enjoyable!? :-P
Well.. A slightly better PC won't cost much, and might be a good investement anyway? I was running UAE on my P4-1.5 ghz with SBlive and GeForce2 and it worked like a charm. But it hardly runs at all on my P200. I won't cost you anything to download WinUae and try it. :crazy:
Yeah,
....NO, no! I don't have a dedicated sound card. It's a Sony Vaio and has sound... kinda sucky sound from tiny speakers, but it does have sound. It's just 3 years old or so and runs mostly okay but I never tried an emulator on it. Personally I much prefer playing with classic Amiga hardware, except for the times when I want to take a sledge hammer to the box and beat it into a thousand pieces. (Not unlike my '98 Volvo. It also runs mostly good but occasionally decides to start leaking precious fluids, always right around the time I need to drive to some far away location.) I've tried to convince the Alpha Geek here we should upgrade the Sony but as long as it runs her PC games she's satisfied. Except she misses her Amiga games and I thought maybe if I could run an emulator and it was just a tad slow that would motivate her to get a faster machine. By the way, I'm retired so the money would have to come from my sweety-pie's paycheck. Hence the delay. :-D
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There's a couple of AGA games I thought better than the ECS/OCS counterparts (even if I don't cheat by including the CD32 versions). For a start bloodnet was much more playable in it's AGA incarnation, then there's Worm's The Directors Cut (my favourite version of this classic and if I remember rightly an AGA exclusive) and keeping in with AGA exclusives, the text adventure child murder. I was never a text adventure fan in the past, prefering the graphical ones instead but that game for me was like a book you couldn't put down until you were finished with the music and the high-res graphics helping build the atmosphere!
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I love adventure games. Havent heard of this Child Murder you are talking about. Is it available from somewhere? I have tried to search the net but haven't come up with anything.
- Tobias B.
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Leifern. genetic species is for free @ aminet.net :) A very cool game (still is fun..).
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They've all left you leifert, they tend to do that. It seems that your time will come when a 060 would be something at least very generic in Amiga comps. Tornado did sound great there, in the first post.
:rtfm:
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Concerning Sim City 2000 I've only got one advice: use ShapeShifter together with the free MacOS and run Sim City 2000 there. You won't believe how much faster it is! A shame, that emulating the Mac running Sim City 2000 is so much faster than playing the AMiGA version on the very same computer. Shame on Maxis. Shame.
Concerning great AMiGA games, AGA or no AGA: the thing I'm most frustrated about is that the programmers seemed to know nothing of 50 or 60 Hz smooth scrolling. Look at Turrican II (superb scrolling). Then look at Chaos Engine AGA (ugly scrolling). Look at Superfrog (superb scrolling). Then look at Project X (good scrolling but bad updates of the sprites).
Games tend to age so extremely fast when they don't have smooth scrolling. Project X runs smooth, the srcolling of the level, but the enemies are updated at 25/30 FPS. Look dead ugly. And Chaos Engine, like 20-25 FPS. What's that all about? It's not like it is too advanced to not run in full 50/60.
Ruff'n'Tumble. Heard so much about it. Started it and played it for like 2 minutes then turned off the computer. Could the scrolling possibly be any worse? Even though the game may be good, like I was told, the presentation was so dreadful I can't understand how they ever got around releasing it in the first place.
Oh well. That's the way it was. I guess. I just can't understand it. Shame. Shame. Shame.