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Title: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: stefcep on June 29, 2005, 03:44:28 PM
i have been given a PIII-650 with Win98SE.  i want to use it on internet for the sites that my A4000 wont work properly on.  i have been reading about the Window security issues.  What measures in  software and hardware, preferably free or real cheap, should i take? I mean recommended firewall, antivirus, antispyware etc
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: odin on June 29, 2005, 03:48:37 PM
I suggest dump W98 and put W2k or WinXP on that if you wish to use Windows.

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For antivirus you can use AntiVir or AVG. WinXP has an inbuilt firewall (opinions vary on it though).

Here's (http://www.iopus.com/guides/free-firewall.htm) a list of other firewalls.

For spyware I can think of Ad-Aware and Spyblaster from the top of my head.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Vincent on June 29, 2005, 04:08:25 PM
Grisoft's AVG Free Edition (http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10342876.html?tag=lst-0-1)

Sygate Personal Firewall (http://www.download.com/Sygate-Personal-Firewall/3000-2092_4-10332265.html?tag=lst-0-1) (limited free edition, but I've been using it for 3 years with no problem)

I'd also recommend upgrading to 2000 or XP.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: bloodline on June 29, 2005, 04:35:30 PM
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stefcep wrote:
i have been given a PIII-650 with Win98SE.  i want to use it on internet for the sites that my A4000 wont work properly on.  i have been reading about the Window security issues.  What measures in  software and hardware, preferably free or real cheap, should i take? I mean recommended firewall, antivirus, antispyware etc


Get WinXP on it, and run WinUAE on it :-)
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: adolescent on June 29, 2005, 05:02:52 PM
Don't forget a spyware checker also.  The free MS Antispyware beta works fine.  But, again, you'll need XP.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Vincent on June 29, 2005, 05:08:12 PM
For spyware I'd recommend:

Spybot Search & Destroy (http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html)
Lavasoft's Ad-Aware SE (http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/)
Microsoft's AntiSpyware (Beta) (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx)

The MS one is handy as it has a real-time checker, but you'd need Win2000 or XP.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: alx on June 29, 2005, 06:56:58 PM
@bloodline

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Get WinXP on it


I'd have thought that XP would crawl on a machine like that (dunno how much RAM it's got though).

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and run WinUAE on it :-)


Not AROS? :-P
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: amiga1260 on June 29, 2005, 07:16:36 PM
If you have 256 MB of RAM, you could run Windows XP on de P-3 650 MHz nicely. I tried it on a PC with P3-600 and it works very well.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: bloodline on June 29, 2005, 07:51:47 PM
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alx wrote:
@bloodline

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Get WinXP on it


I'd have thought that XP would crawl on a machine like that (dunno how much RAM it's got though).

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and run WinUAE on it :-)


Not AROS? :-P


Well he did say he wanted to use the unit for web browsing... :-) But it's true that running AROS on the machine is the only way to ensure safety ;-)
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: whabang on June 29, 2005, 07:58:19 PM
Time to write a virus for AROS, then! :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Amigaz on June 29, 2005, 08:00:12 PM
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odin wrote:
I suggest dump W98 and put W2k or WinXP on that if you wish to use Windows.

-edit-
For antivirus you can use AntiVir or AVG. WinXP has an inbuilt firewall (opinions vary on it though).

Here's (http://www.iopus.com/guides/free-firewall.htm) a list of other firewalls.

For spyware I can think of Ad-Aware and Spyblaster from the top of my head.


If it's a 128mb machine don't install WinXp because it'l'l probably eat away 100-130 megs just booting up :P
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: stefcep on July 02, 2005, 01:01:56 PM
It has 192 meg ram, and it runs windows really quickly.  I do run Winuae and it renders pictures in Cinema4d about 10 times faster than my 68060 A4000.  I can get XPro Academic with SP2 for about $125 Aus and I was tempted but then I thought about the speed hit on such a relatively slow cpu if i did.  So thought that I could have the speed with Win98 and just do something cheap for Internet security.  Anyway most people seem to recommend XP and some more ram.  not sure if I still can get ram for it though..
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Noster on July 02, 2005, 01:59:37 PM
Hi,

@stefcep

> Anyway most people seem to recommend XP and some more ram. not sure if I still can get ram for it though.

Don't listen to them. I'm still using Win98SE and it works perfect for me. I use Firefox as browser and my old 486 as external Linux router/firewall to connect to the internet and browse the sides the Amiga doesn't displays.
You don't need to update to XP, you will get nothing else than problems! I think Win98 is even safer than XP (it doesn't have so much crap running in the background).

I would only update to XP with a P4 2GHz or above if I would use any software that requires such a machine (what could this be except games and recompressing stolen movies?). I've never got any virus or malware in the last 5 years. If you don't want to use an external router/firewall you need to purchase a firewall for your windows machine.
I use F-Prot as offline-virus scanner (no need for an allways running scanner).

Noster
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Vincent on July 02, 2005, 02:02:02 PM
Go for Win2000 instead if you can't get more ram - W2k isn't quite as resource hungry as XP.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Noster on July 02, 2005, 02:20:13 PM
Hi,

> Go for Win2000 instead if you can't get more ram - W2k isn't quite as resource hungry as XP.

Why should he, what are his benefits from changing to W2k or XP?

He might not get any memory because the old machine might not work with more than 256 MB.

Noster
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Cyberus on July 02, 2005, 02:45:54 PM
From my personal experience, Win 2000 is much more stable than 98. And in my case, it means that NT/XP systems (which I don't use at home) are less alien to me when I have to use them.

edit: I run Win2000 with no probs on a PII 400 laptop, 128MB RAM, btw
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: KThunder on July 02, 2005, 04:01:46 PM
guys,
he was asking for free or cheap xp costs 100 bucks. i use win98 and have zone alrm firewall (free) adaware (free) and fprot dos (also free)
my computer runs great
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: countzero on July 02, 2005, 04:43:53 PM
install debian / linux on a seperate partition. no security risks at all, completely free, and quite adequate for surfing with the firefox browser (all major plugins supported).
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: yogisumo on July 02, 2005, 08:24:44 PM
Linux... ;)
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: orange on July 02, 2005, 08:47:31 PM
I'd reccomend Kerio Personal Firewall ver 2.1.5 (free)
Its small and efficient.
Also Kaspersky antivirus is very good, once you disable his services (startup) and manually test every new '.exe' downloaded from net.
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2005, 10:47:09 PM
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whabang wrote:
Time to write a virus for AROS, then! :evilgrin:

Somebody has to be the first, you could be the first.
Since Saddam is already done with, maybe Dubya will invade our  bootblocks or maybe Mugabe will throw away all information on the harddrive and install lots of zeros.  :-P
Title: Re: Win98 on internet:security measures
Post by: stefcep on July 22, 2005, 09:51:45 AM
Thanx everyone for your advice. For me Amiga will always be about the community.  Eventually I decided to stay with Win 98SE  (although I have a copy of Win NT 4.0 with service pack 4.. any opinions on this over Win98SE) and got Sygate firewall, Adaware, AVG, Spybot installed, along with Firefox and its yet to blue screen and it is fast.  if I could get Ibrowse to print and into the bank and Superannuation sites I would ditch win98.

This has proven to be quite a good machine: it plays dvd's full screen, runs all office apps, quick on the net, great for digital photo manipulation and storage, and UAE flies on it.  it even has composite OUT and S-VHS IN, and a Cd burner: may turn all my VHS tapes into VIDEO CD