Amiga.org
Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: avagoodwee on May 25, 2005, 02:12:52 PM
-
Hi all!
I'm new to AO but have been using amigas and drac and pc and mac for about 12 years now.
I have just updated MIAMI to MIAMIDX (so I can better network the above computers) and find I can't register it to get the 2 key files which allow full use of all facilities and remove the 30 min disconnect.
If you know how to register ( Globalnordic??? no longer has a web presence) could you please contact me.
I am not sure how you are supposed to do that but my email address is ddpgs@hunterlink.net.au
Thanks in advance.....
Peter
-
It's impossible to reg. Holger Krüse said bye bye to Amigaland. Your only option is to use a crack or a pirate key.
(Which ofcourse you shouldn't, cos piracy is evil and you'll burn in hell for all eternity if you do...:p).
-
MiamiDx is only needed if you want to use it as a router or firewall. Today an ADSL or broadband router is much cheaper than MiamiDx was at any time. So you should look at this first. Miami or Genesis (as contained in AmigaOS 3.9) are absolutely sufficient for a simple network connection.
@odin: a second-hand key of MiamiDx might be a better solution, although you have to live with the previous owner's name in the key anyways.
Bye,
Thomas
-
Thomas wrote:
@odin: a second-hand key of MiamiDx might be a better solution, although you have to live with the previous owner's name in the key anyways.
Not necessarily, you can remove them by using hex editor and replace by your own - just keep the space same size.
(I did it to the Digital Corruption crack keys I downloaded years ago, to get rid of that nasty name. The keys continued to work, but I never used them except to test :pissed: )
-
I find it impossible to beleive that this is the bottom line. How can such an advanced piece of software like this be forever crippled? SOMEONE must know the author and pursuade him to release a public key surely?!?!
-
lurkist wrote:
I find it impossible to beleive that this is the bottom line. How can such an advanced piece of software like this be forever crippled? SOMEONE must know the author and pursuade him to release a public key surely?!?!
You better start believing in the impossible then. Holger Krüse's last messages to the sorry excuse of the 'community' were dripping with venom. He simply does not want to have anything to do with the platform any longer, he has 'moved on' as the saying goes. So in that regard Miami remains crippled.
I wonder what Miami's legal status is. Is it now abandonware? Or fully in the public domain? Or what? The fact that Kruse refuses to acknowledge any form of communication means that it is also impossible to tell what his wishes are. That indicates complete lack of concern for his software, and thus puts the software firmly in the abandonware category, in my very humble opinion. In other words: in this case I don't think being holier than thou is productive, although as a token of respect to the author you could opt for another TCP/IP stack.
-
Cymric wrote:
I wonder what Miami's legal status is. Is it now abandonware?
Unless stated otherwise by Holger, it's still copyrighted to him.
AFAIK, legally there is no such thing as abandonware.
-
>AFAIK, legally there is no such thing as abandonware.
True. Last time I checked, copyright last for the life of the author plus 77 years. And someone said it was even longer than that. (In the USA anyway)
Plaz
-
I am not suggesting that the copyright should belong to anyone else besides Krüse. He remains the sole holder. But he has made it impossible for those of good faith to register the software: the site no longer exists, he doesn't respond to any question whatsoever. He doesn't even issue a public statement clarifying the status of the programs. Now, he doesn't need to do that, since the laws which apply in these situations are very strict. Nevertheless, I am at liberty to say I am not happy with this particular situation, even though it will be irrelevant in five year's time (who will be using Miami then), and academic by the year 2070 (when the code officially becomes public domain). I recall that the US government installed a working group not too long ago to see what could be done about this problem: it is not just Miami.
Perhaps it is exactly as Krüse intended... But we will never know, as he no longer responds. That is why I consider Miami 'abandonware', even though the term has no legal basis.
-
Plaz wrote:
True. Last time I checked, copyright last for the life of the author plus 77 years. And someone said it was even longer than that. (In the USA anyway)
Ah. I forgot about the author's life span. And indeed in the USA the limit is now 95 years, all because of one cartoon character: Mickey Mouse. It is quite obvious that Disney are adamantly opposed to anything suggesting the Mouse reverts to the public domain, because they would lose their extremely profitable monopoly overnight. At the same time, copyright is not meant to grant you a monopoly for eternity. The fact that Disney rely on the exclusiveness of the copyrights and trademarks of Disney himself indicates that their business model is rotten to the core.
I doubt they will get another extension beyond the current one: it begins to raise nasty questions why the Mouse should hold out for 95+ years, when patents and such for drugs have such a short longevity companies can no longer afford to develop new drugs, as the time to obtain the ROI is too short; in fact they will only develop drugs for Western diseases, leaving tens of millions in underdeveloped and poorer countries in the cold.
But I digress :-).
-
Not that I advocate piracy but I can vouch that using google to do a search on Miami DX and keys or whatever will lead you to what you are seeking.
-
Cymric wrote:
Nevertheless, I am at liberty to say I am not happy with this particular situation, even though it will be irrelevant in five year's time (who will be using Miami then)
Yup,I know what you mean. It sounds just like a little kid shouting "I'm going home, and I'm taking my football with me."
I can understand Holger being peeved when he found his hard work being pirated left right and centre, and the accusations of a backdoor must have been the final straw.
But, he should have known that by not taking registrations, his work will be pirated even more. So why not release it as freeware or whatever?
Then again, I never tried to register Miami, I always found Genesis to be better. MiamiDX just had more features that I didnt need, and was slightly slower on my AriadneII.. plus Genesis came free with my network card!
-
So, as registering Miami is not a good option, what other TCP/IP stacks are there?
Ideally, it should work seamlessly with AmigaExplorer. I can only get the serial connect working at 4800 baud =(
Cheers
John
-
If you get AmigaOS 3.9 you can get Genesis TCP/IP stack (AOS 3.9 is included with Amiga Forever 6) or
AmiTCP from Aminet or Termite TCP.
-
Is Holger Kruse available to create a keyfile?
It's just that he's very hard to track down..
As for the comments people made, I liked the features Miami Deluxe offered, but not being able to get a legitimate keyfile make matters academic.
Yes, I remember how claims of a backdoor were the last straw, but they were just that, claims. He didn't have to abandon us due to a few loudmouths.
It's just that he went on to greener pastures and dumped everyone, and it's quite unfair of him to expect his copyright (which he is clearly not protecting) to be respected under these circumstances.
But since no-one seems to have heard from him, I doubt we'll have to worry about his opinions anymore :-)
-
lurkist wrote:
I find it impossible to beleive that this is the bottom line. How can such an advanced piece of software like this be forever crippled? SOMEONE must know the author and pursuade him to release a public key surely?!?!
People have tried to take over the registration from him, but he just wasn't interested. I think his key server may have crashed, and after that he decided it wasn't worth the time and hassles anymore.
For the amount of slander and innuendo aimed at him and his software, I can't really blame him for saying 'to hell with the Amiga crowd.' Unlike Proctor and Gamble, he couldn't afford to use legal options against the few who ruined it for everyone.
-
mattabat wrote:
Is Holger Kruse available to create a keyfile?
It's just that he's very hard to track down..
It's not that easy. He sent you a "key", and when you registered your copy of Miami it called out to his keyserver, and generated the needed keyfiles. But the server isn't operational anymore. He did mention that there were some serious "anti-theft" devices in place too.
Don't bother trying to track him down. He was not impressed by the last person who did that. It may have had the opposite of the intended effect too.
-
I was going to drop this in anyway, and now the Miami thing again.
I read the story a few years ago about how Roadshow was developed from the old AmiTCP sources. It was good reading, although I can't remember where. I think Olaf did the work, correct?
Anyway, it was developed and running on 68K before the work was done to make it part of OS 4.0 PPC as I recall. I offered by email to the author to pay for it back then if it were to be released. I never heard a word.
Why can't we buy Roadshow 68K as a seperate product?
-
Why can't we buy Roadshow 68K as a seperate product?
AFAIK RoadShow 68k will be released shortly after OS4.
-
So do cracks, keyfiles, etc., work or not?
If software is abandoned by the author and he no longer even offers registration (What! I assure you that Holger Kruse won't refuse free money), then I advocate doing whatever it takes to liberate the software. If the author doesn't care.... then he doesn't care.. about cracking, piracy of the program, etc. ;-)
>The fact that Kruse refuses to acknowledge any form of communication
I don't think this is a valid claim. Send a chicken and see what happens. I mean a check in. The Daily Show was talking about chickens just then.
>made it impossible for those of good faith to register the software: the site no longer exists
Do we have a snail address or email address that we know is now valid?
>And indeed in the USA the limit is now 95 years,
Money talks here. Best legislation money can buy.
>He didn't have to abandon us due to a few loudmouths.
Some people...
>He did mention that there were some serious "anti-theft" devices in place too.
A threat of this kind from Holger only fueled the "backdoor" claims.
>He was not impressed by the last person who did that.
References?
>I offered by email to the author to pay for it back then if it were to be released. I never heard a word
Odds are his spam filter got it. Try snail mail. It works.
-
OK - AmiTCP doesn't want to play well with DHCP and I can't get it to ping anything other than the "destination" address I typed in during installation (if any).
With MiamiDX unregistered I could ping other computers on my network but couldn't unblock the firewall for Amiga Explorer (the button was only on the registered version).
I just want to be able to transfer files between my PC and Amiga relatively quickly... is that so much to ask? =)
Recommendations gentlemen please.
Cheers
John
-
boing wrote:
So do cracks, keyfiles, etc., work or not?
If software is abandoned by the author and he no longer even offers registration (What! I assure you that Holger Kruse won't refuse free money), then I advocate doing whatever it takes to liberate the software. If the author doesn't care.... then he doesn't care.. about cracking, piracy of the program, etc. ;-)
So, just because someone won't loan you their car, you advocate stealing it?
It's his property, and as such, he can do what he damn well pleases with it. He doesn't have to sell it to you if he doesn't want to. He has the same rights as Walmart.
This is yet another demonstration of the childish attitude that some Amiga users seem to have, and which is a big roadblock to getting people interested in developing Amiga software.
Holger finally tired of the unrelenting Amiga fanatics. Wonder why? I don't.
-
The problem was already solved. Someone wrote a new software package and it sounds like it works.
We just need to find out how to buy that now, or start writing another one. Sadly I am not capable of the last option :-D
Jeff
-
Port TCP/IP stack from AROS.
-
"OK - AmiTCP doesn't want to play well with DHCP and I can't get it to ping anything other than the "destination" address I typed in during installation (if any)."
AmiTCP works fine if you don't need DHCP or PPPoE or something like that. I can ping every machine I want with it. Why you use "destination" there? Usually it's not needed. Just define ip-address, gateway and netmask for normal LAN.