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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: asian1 on May 16, 2005, 03:47:43 PM
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What happen to MAI Logic Website?
http://www.mai.com
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Maybe they was tired of being harrassed by you?
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Or maybe it's what it says, "Under Construction" :roll:
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MAI DOT COM went M.I.A. on May.
Apparently their webhosting contract had expired.
All their e-mail, FAX, and phone are disconnected.
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Are you contracted by the fbi or something? :lol:
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Oh dear, just the usual professional fuss we expect from the Amiga scene then. :lol:
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This is not good news for micro-A1 production or future AmigaOne models (XC, etc.). The web and email addresses being disconnected is one thing, not that they ever returned emails. But the phones and fax being disconnected is more alarming.
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Does this mean that A1s are now classified as "Retro"? :-D
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Does this mean that A1s are now classified as "Retro"? :-D
Dammy
Nah, "Retro" is old stuff worth having! ;-)
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mdma wrote:
dammy wrote:
Does this mean that A1s are now classified as "Retro"? :-D
Dammy
Nah, "Retro" is old stuff worth having! ;-)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Humm,
Strange that this website recently appeared http://www.articasemi.com (http://www.articasemi.com)
they seem to do similar things (with names based on a product). I may be wrong, the website registrations are different.
:-x
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adolescent wrote:
mdma wrote:
dammy wrote:
Does this mean that A1s are now classified as "Retro"? :-D
Dammy
Nah, "Retro" is old stuff worth having! ;-)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
AHA!
Finally my OS4 can be released on alternate platforms! :-D
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This supports my initial point that OS4 should be ported to either the Mac Mini or the Pegasos (preferably the former) and be done with it.
Wayne
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Define "recenty". I tried contacting them some months ago but never got a reply, otheres here had indicated they got no replies as well. In the months since then, they've lost my interest anyway.
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Why stop at the mac mini?
I'd love to see OS4 run on my shiney new iBook G4 8-)
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Will Apple pay for the licence?
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Apple doesn't have to pay for a license, since Hyperion would be (in this fantasy anyway) porting the OS to it. Much like Yellow Dog Linux does.
Wayne
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Hyperion has only a Licence for AmigaONE Products as they often told. So Apple or anyone else need a Licence from Amiga Inc. so Hyperion can port OS4 to Apple hardware.
If not then they told a.lie and had a lame excuse for not porting to Pegasos.
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AmigaOS/Amiga is doomed then, unless they finally port it to alternative ppc platforms.
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If not then they told a.lie and had a lame excuse for not porting to Pegasos
Ummmm.... no comment.
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So Apple or anyone else need a Licence from Amiga Inc. so Hyperion can port OS4 to Apple hardware.
I am sure Apple wants to shell out money for such a license... :lol:
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what does amiga or hyperion got to say about all this?
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Maybe say want to tell us that they have another company for licenced hardware for OS4?
I think we all know who that can be. There was an announcement some month ago. No, not Elbox. 8-)
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DJBase wrote:
Maybe say want to tell us that they have another company for licenced hardware for OS4?
I think we all know who that can be. There was an announcement some month ago. No, not Elbox. 8-)
But don´t they use Artica too? Atleast the big/fast accelerator?
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Tomas wrote:
I am sure Apple wants to shell out money for such a license... :lol:
Who says Apple has to pay for the license ?
I mean, as I understand it, there's nothing stopping me paying the license money to get it ported to Apple hardware (apart from the lack of money.. wasted it on cheap cars and fast women )
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But don´t they use Artica too? Atleast the big/fast accelerator?
Um didn`t the spec say 1x AGP. Sounds more like Marvell then Articia. Or something completely different from the embeded market.
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MAI was bought by Eyetech and now they will be able to sell AmigaOnes much more cheaper, that's why Alan was so busy at the recent months in China. AmigaOS 4 is coming, cheaper hardware is coming, the Amiga future is more bright than ever.
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This is not good news for micro-A1 production or future AmigaOne models
But doesn't it mean if you have a license to make these chips you can keep doing it even tho MAI might not be here anymore ?
As for future AmigaONEs, sure if MAI is realle gone perhaps we will see an A1 based on another chipset. I doubt Eyetech would just give up now ?
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by seer on 2005/5/17 2:57:42
But doesn't it mean if you have a license to make these chips you can keep doing it even tho MAI might not be here anymore ?
Depends on governing bankruptsy laws that cover MAI (if they are indeed dead). In example, under US bankruptsy laws, all contracts are voided as to protect the creditors from loosing out on any possible recoverable assets. If MAI has multiple branches in different countries, then it gets really hairy as we witnessed in C='s bankruptsy court proceedings.
As for future AmigaONEs, sure if MAI is realle gone perhaps we will see an A1 based on another chipset. I doubt Eyetech would just give up now ?
Problem with that, the Amiga market is already been tapped with 2K worth of sales. New chipset means new code to write, new 3rd party mobos to make purchase agreements on so on for what, few hundred more unit sales? Unless Eyetech is willing to either fall on the sword or make deals with Genesi, I don't see an out for them. Market potential is way too small to be financially viable. Reality bites.
Dammy
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drHirudo wrote:
MAI was bought by Eyetech and now they will be able to sell AmigaOnes much more cheaper, that's why Alan was so busy at the recent months in China. AmigaOS 4 is coming, cheaper hardware is coming, the Amiga future is more bright than ever.
Yes, because the communist Chinese Government have a track record of letting small private foreign businesses purchase Chinese firms eh?
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Its a case of the Amiga touch!!!
Similar to Midas, except everything turns to SHxT!
:-)
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MAI was poop long before the Amiga cabal touched it.
I'm surprised so many A1 boards were sold given the known problems and the expense.
I've always said it made far greater sense to port either AOS4 or MOS to Apple's Uni-N chipset. Would you rather pay thousands for buggy HW or hundreds for the ability to run your apps on a PowerBook? It's not like the licensed hardware was any good even if it did run as advertised. Years old PowerMac hardware could be had on eBay for a fraction of the price.
But I suppose that just wouldn't be proper. So we have this mess instead.
Now that game consoles have hard drives I wonder how much more obvious these decisions are. Oh but please, keep yammering on about MAI's Artica-based ITX boards. zzz
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Just to master the obvious:
It's INSANE to design a custom board for 2000 customers. You got what could be afforded for such a market: buggy reference boards.
Why waste all that effort making boards which are no better (in fact much worse) than what's already available?
The whole license situation is all the more laughable. Sure, all we need to do is find a company willing to prostrate themselves before the great Amiga/Hyperion and beg for a license to give them $170 per copy. Hyperion is the party who has to prove themselves. AOS4 is an UNPROVEN technology, unworthy of such a license scheme. The buggy state of affairs only makes this situation more untenable.
OK, I think this dead horse has had enough... :-D
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Just to master the obvious:
It's INSANE to design a custom board for 2000 customers.
Might not be actually, depends on the development costs.
Even at $100 000 that's only $50 per board.
A new North bridge is another matter, at say $10 000 000 that doesn't bear thinking about.
Their best bet is the mini Mac but getting docs could prove rather difficult.
Getting docs for the Peg should be relatively trivial however, getting them to consider the peg however is a different matter altogether...
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Maybe if/when Eyetech drops out that will force Hyperion to adopt a different business model.
What are people planning to use their PCI slots for which isn't taken care of by the built-in abilities of the new consoles?
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asian1 wrote:
MAI DOT COM went M.I.A. on May.
Apparently their webhosting contract had expired.
All their e-mail, FAX, and phone are disconnected.
I tried both their fax and phone from their whois record.
Fax is disconnected.
Phone is now a new number: 1-510-861-3358. I tried this number and did get an answering machine with a very short "MAI logic" identification before the 'beep'.
There is still a pulse... however faint... :-D
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Well mai has been in trouble for quite some time, maybe they finaly went under?
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Wayne wrote:
Apple doesn't have to pay for a license, since Hyperion would be (in this fantasy anyway) porting the OS to it. Much like Yellow Dog Linux does.
Wayne
Uh I tried to PAY Hyperion for a port in the sum of $15,000 and I was told no I need to get a license to bring it to the Pegasos from Amiga Inc, so Apple would have to do thae same in that sence and they would never do that.
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Uh I tried to PAY Hyperion for a port in the sum of $15,000 and I was told no I need to get a license to bring it to the Pegasos from Amiga Inc, so Apple would have to do thae same in that sence and they would never do that.
That's insane, but then again, there are reasons that the new Amiga has succeeded so fabulously. Sorry... That was a hairball of sarcasm.
I think though that there is some sort of miscommunication. NOTHING, not even Amiga Inc is stopping Hyperion from porting OS4 to the Macintosh hardware platform. Well, sorry, I forgot the stranglehold by the holy trimuvirate, but they COULD do it (just like Yellow Dog Linux did) if they wanted to actually make it successful.
Wayne
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Acill wrote:
Uh I tried to PAY Hyperion for a port in the sum of $15,000 and I was told no I need to get a license to bring it to the Pegasos from Amiga Inc, so Apple would have to do thae same in that sence and they would never do that.
WTF? Sounds like the royal run-around :pissed:
If this is true, the sooner the Amiga cabal is forced to rethink their tactics the better!
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Yup, its sad the way it all worked out. The fact that Amiga demands a license from hardware vendors to have their OS run on it is insane. Who in their right mind would pay to bring a cometing OS that is not complete and untested to the hardware they make? Since they fail to reply even to interested people its even more unacceptable. If this is the way they plan to do things, then OS4 is a failure before it even gets released.
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So Amiga Inc want to get two bites of the OS4 cherry?
#1 From the hardware/porting license
#2 From royalties of OS4 sales
No wonder they got into financial troubles. The words "brewery" and "piss up" spring to mind.
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There is a case of US Department of Labor vs Mai Logic about wage dispute:
DOL vs Mai Logic (http://www.oalj.dol.gov/decisions/ALJ/LCA/2005/WAGE_and_HOUR_DIVISI_v_MAI_LOGIC_INC_2005LCA00016_(MAR_02_2005)_170747_CADEC_SD.PDF)
Apparently Mai Logic did not pay its employees.
If MAI Logic really went bankrupt, this the REAL proof of the famous AMIGA CURSE:
A: Amiga, C: Commodore, E: Escom, G: Gateway (in financial problems several years ago), I: Invisible Hand, K: Kouri Capital (2001), M: Mai Logic.
I suspect that M is actually Motorola, but Motorola had spin off the loss making Freescale Semiconductor (in financial problems).
Which company will become the next victim?
Is it the hoax "Orion" PowerPC 970 / G5 company?
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asian1 wrote:
Apparently Mai Logic did not pay its employees.
Wow, I guess they really were an Amiga company.
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Hahaha!
There's some interesting stuff not hapenning over at Amigaworld (namely the 20 questions thing), and various other little comments about lack of feedback from companies etc.
On the plus side, I'm getting a real nostalgic feeling from this thread :-D
At least MOS seems to have got a second wind, and AROS PPC exists now, so even in the worst case scenario it won't be the end of the world ...
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@Holley
Keep in mind that AW moderators are deleting any posts that reference Mai Logic's demise. It's kind of an out of sight, out of mind thing. But, then again, there's a number of people that think Eyetech is doing a good job, that the A1 doesn't have bugs, and that the earth is flat.
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@adolescent
Not all posts, just the duplicate posts. There are currently 2 active Mai threads on AW now & here on A.org. All this bandwidth & no answers.
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AFAIK only one thread was locked because a moderator believed that since none of us would know the answer anyway.
Not sure I agree, but to be honest I don't really care about MAI so..
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They have a funny reality control thing going on there sometimes :-?
Which is a shame 'cause many of the regulars are really nice guys.
EDIT: just went and had a look, 2x threads locked, 3rd just starting.
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@Holley
"They have a funny reality control thing going on there sometimes. Which is a shame 'cause many of the regulars are really nice guys."
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Thanks. (blush)
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Heh, just tried the Eyetech web page to see if there was any news (ha ha, I know) and I couldn't get to it because, get this, They had exceeded their bandwith!!!
ok, who esle is on there?!?!!? fess up.
J-Golden
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@J-Golden
Hehe, now that's funny. :-D
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Hey Sundown, car guys have gotta stick together ;-) Have you got the June Hemmings Muscle Machines BTW?
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No amiga curse there. Mai has ben in trouble long before the Amiga
came along. its nothing new for them. People told Amiga Inc to stay
away but they wanted a fast cheap solution to the A1 and thats what
you get for taking the route they chose.
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Fast? Cheap? WTF?
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Waccoon wrote:
Fast? Cheap? WTF?
Cheap for them.
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Keep in mind that AW moderators are deleting any posts that reference Mai Logic's demise. It's kind of an out of sight, out of mind thing. But, then again, there's a number of people that think Eyetech is doing a good job, that the A1 doesn't have bugs, and that the earth is flat.
Thanks for telling aw.net why they are doing things. It is really quite amusing. Reality control! LOL, so funny I almost wet myself. Oh dear, I did...
Oh and for your information only one post was deleted, mine, that I made whilst a moderator locked the thread. I deleted it out of courtesy to the moderator. Absolutely no other posts were deleted, deleting posts is a big no-no and pointless because we can just throw them into our special trash forum so we can keep a copy of what was moderated, always, ever.
Why was the thread locked? None of your business if you cant work it out from the thread. If you were an aw.net member I might tell you on aw.net. Amusingly for you it was locked by a OS4 on Pegasos supporting Moderator. But shurely shome mishtake!!!!! No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12388&forum=17#169857
Looking at the site the MAI demise is getting mentioned all over the place, and no one seems to be stopping it. Ive peeked through the moderation records and found nothing instructing all our Borg warriors to assimilate all MAI threads.
This was locked because it was already being discussed on another thread:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12394&forum=3#170011
Look, theres even an UNLOCKED thread here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12406&forum=14#170196
Wooo! Quick boys, lets rush in and troll!
What jolly japes!!! Makes a change from anti-aw.net paranoiac drivel being posted on moobunny I guess.
While you are dribbling into the porridge this morning, how about reading this too:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2290
Especially:
What the reputation is of this forum on other sites I also dont give a monkeys kazoo about and will not paralyse the side moderation here one iota, despite best attempts with those with a genuine problem as much as those who just brinked, then smeared or just smeared based on what they heard someone else say.
So whilst I don't give a monkeys kazoo ( I rent it out, giftware is so last century, see www.monkeykazoorentals.org for details if you find obtaining one yourself too difficult ) what you think, I would however like to see that outright liars on this thread either doing a bit of reading or not getting too carried away in the soap opera they are running in their own heads ;-)
:lol:
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I've read all the posts, thankyou. Both locked threads (which you'll find I accurately reported on on the first page) were closed before running their natural course (without being out of control).
I don't think AW.net is over-moderated, it's just what moderation there is is often done in an aggresive manner. Thats my direct experience, nothing more.
But then this thread isn't concerned with AW.net is it? It's to do with the fact that Mai have disappeared off the face of the planet; which doesn't happen to healthy & legitimate businesses, at least not without a press release giving a good reason.
At this point, if I were an A1 owner I would be getting nervous - I'm sure that things will work out one way or another though ...
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Holley wrote:
I've read all the posts, thankyou. Both locked threads (which you'll find I accurately reported on on the first page) were closed before running their natural course (without being out of control).
I don't think AW.net is over-moderated, it's just what moderation there is is often done in an aggresive manner. Thats my direct experience, nothing more.
But then this thread isn't concerned with AW.net is it? It's to do with the fact that Mai have disappeared off the face of the planet; which doesn't happen to healthy & legitimate businesses, at least not without a press release giving a good reason.
At this point, if I were an A1 owner I would be getting nervous - I'm sure that things will work out one way or another though ...
Natural selection will prevail as always Holley! Only the religious nutbags will argue otherwise. :-D
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The end result here -- without all the stupid bickering -- is that if MAI are truly gone (and not bought out like some rumors are ripe to suggest), Eyetech have no boards to sell.
Using that premise, quite simply -- unless Eyetech can instantly locate another solution, then get Hyperion to rewrite the base logic of OS4 (how many years will that take?) -- the fate of the "future Amiga" is sealed.
MAI - disappeared. (or should I say MIA?)
Eyetech - completely silent
Hyperion - still slightly active but without a board to write for.
Amiga Inc - for all appearances, dead.
It's time to put AmigaOS4 on the Mac guys. Well, about 4 years past time now, but if they get started now, maybe we could see OS4 before 2010.
Wayne
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Asian1 says:
I suspect that M is actually Motorola, but Motorola had spin off the loss making Freescale Semiconductor (in financial problems).
Asian1, FreeScale is not having any financial problems if that's how you mean this. FreeScale stock is doing great, go to Yahoo! click on Finance in upper left and type in FSL to see some charts.
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Wayne says:
MAI - disappeared. (or should I say MIA?)
Eyetech - completely silent
Hyperion - still slightly active but without a board to write for.
Amiga Inc - for all appearances, dead.
Genesi (https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php) - Alive.
MorphOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS) - Alive, most recent version released 3 weeks ago.
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Ah, and AROS is alive too, sorry for missing you, AROS!
AROS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AROS) - Alive.
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At this point, if I were an A1 owner I would be getting nervous
Can you please explain why should I be getting nervous?
If MAI site or the whole company is gone this doesn't mean that my AmigaOne will stop working.
And after the thousands of post about the bugs in the Articia, this can be taken as good news. Now Eyetech will have to find other (better) chipset provider
or design one by themselves.
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Thanks Velcro - yes AROS is very alive (and we've now got hosted PPC support!).
I was very pleasanty surprised to see the goings on over at MorphZone - the idea of a Peg 2.5 with new updated Morphos makes things look promising.
You forgot about the AHT STBs though :-D They're the driving force behind the PPC AROS work ...
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Can you please explain why should I be getting nervous?
because if eyetech changes the chipset, also hyperion should make changes in the OS4 for the new chipset, which will make the final OS4 release even later. AND who knows, they may stop supporting the old chipset and concentrate on the new chipset. If you're happy with OS 4 beta, nothing to worry about though.
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Sorry, missed that reply - yes, basically if you already own an existing A1, and support for the Articia doesn't continue, there is the potential to be stuck with an unsupported machine. Plus there will be delays due to one thing or another ...
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AND who knows, they may stop supporting the old chipset and concentrate on the new chipset.
Doubtful.. Why ? Well, AFAIK, MOS is still supporting Peg 1. MOS and AmigaOS4 are both supporting the Classic, so why would Hyperion stop supporting an Articia based A1 if the next gen would be using another chipset ?
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by drHirudo on 2005/5/22 10:04:18
Can you please explain why should I be getting nervous?
If MAI site or the whole company is gone this doesn't mean that my AmigaOne will stop working.
Doesn't mean it won't go up in a puff (which I don't, trust me) of smoke tomorrow either. Problem will be getting a replacement if there is no more MAI. That type of nightmare is why I jumped to x86, I'm never going to be held hostage to the hardware vender ever again.
And after the thousands of post about the bugs in the Articia, this can be taken as good news. Now Eyetech will have to find other (better) chipset provider
or design one by themselves.
Unless they make kissyface with Genesi, they are going to be SOL. I have alot of doubt they have any capital to spend on chip/mobo design and developement. That stuff takes huge amount of cash, for what, another thousand or so mobo sales? Get real. If MAI is done, so is Eyetech. Question is without Eyetech and future sales, what is Hyperion going to do with OS4?
Dammy
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I'm never going to be held hostage to the hardware vender ever again.
Thats a good line from a hardware vendor :-D
There's a discussion on AW.net about Acill's attempt to fund an official port of OS4 to Peg - he didn't even get a reply to his queries though.
BTW MOS no longer supports Peg 1 or classic hardware, in fact the only classic support was when it was in early development. If AI find themselves with no desktop hardware it would make sense to either sell it whole (ie. to Hyperion or something, to then be ported) or to fund porting it to the easiest hardware to switch to - ie. pegasos.
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@Holley
BTW MOS no longer supports Peg 1 or classic hardware, in fact the only classic support was when it was in early development.
That is not true.
Pegasos1 is supported in MorphOS.
Classic hardware MorphOS is not released yet.
However, it is true that the focus certainly is on Pegasos hardware, not classics.
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Acill wrote:
fast cheap solution to the A1
:lol:
Hey, Acill, how do you feel about a console port to a real cheap PPC solution? Nintendo Gamecube. Seriously.
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Piru - Sorry, I was sure I had read on Morphzone that Peg Is were stuck with Mos 1.3 or something ... ho hum ...
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Genesi (https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php) - Alive.
MorphOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS) - Alive, most recent version released 3 weeks ago.
Neither has anything to do with the Amiga platform other than providing an unlicensed clone. That may or may not be a bad thing, especially if the official route is now dead (as it seems).
I won't even touch on the number of people who've been screwed over by BOTH companies involved. While I heartily respect and support the teams writing both OS', I can't help but wish both companies (Amiga Inc / Genesi) would simply disappear off the face of the planet, so I'm really conflicted as to whether having an official "death event" is a bad thing. We'd still have our classics, and even have a few badly buggy small-batch boards...
I sincerely -- and I can't express how badly I want this, but I -- want both efforts to port their Operating system to better, cheaper, more available hardware such as the Macintosh.
Wayne
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lou_dias wrote:
Acill wrote:
fast cheap solution to the A1
:lol:
Hey, Acill, how do you feel about a console port to a real cheap PPC solution? Nintendo Gamecube. Seriously.
I think its a stupid idea, I am interested in a computer not a game machine. What good would it do on that? I didnt intend to burst your buble or anything, but thats how I feel.
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I am interested in a computer not a game machine.
Do you know how ironic that statement is?
The Amiga sold the vast majority of it's units as ...a games machine!
Guess what it was originally designed as?
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While the GC is unrealistic it would be fine for an Amiga type OS, what's more it's now sold ten thousand* times more units than the A1 or Peg* and it's cheap.
He does have a point...
*Sales at end of 2004 were 18 millions units worldwide.
**Peg may have sold more as Linux machines but I'm referring to MorphOS based machines here.
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Well if thats how you feel then I cant stop you. The Amiga was a lot
more then that though. Its just most people never got past the game
phase. I for one used it to get through Junior High school, High
School and most of college!
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countzero: because if eyetech changes the chipset, also hyperion should make changes in the OS4 for the new chipset, which will make the final OS4 release even later
Depends how good Hyperion's HAL and drivers are -- and whether they have any plans beyond OS4.
Oh yeah, and whether they get any new hardware for a while.
Besides, I doubt people will want to upgrade their platforms after spending all that cash on AmigaOne hardware. Amigans aren't used to the x86 racket, upgrading in small doses every few months. There's really no market potential for new Amiga hardware if a whole system swap is required. Look at how many people are still demanding OS4 on classic hardware -- and those are the real fanatics.
Lou Dias: Nintendo Gamecube. Seriously.
I see you're still obsessed with only a PPC-based solution that is not fully PPC compatible.
Why would Nintendo be interested in AmigaOS? Given the hardware locks, it wouldn't be possible without their direct support, both technically and financially.
Would you expect every AmigaCube developer to have to buy a Nintendo developer's license? Consoles companies make their money on software. Nintendo would want their cut, especially if the OS was built on Nintendo's APIs, as you frequently promote.
Look beyond the "at-margin" hardware, and you should realize that it's not as cheap as you think, to say nothing about the extra hardware you need to make it work.
Wayne: I sincerely -- and I can't express how badly I want this, but I -- want both efforts to port their Operating system to better, cheaper, more available hardware such as the Macintosh.
For decades the holy grail of computers has been turning hardware into software. Only Microsoft has really understood this well.
Once Amigans get over technical supiriority and actually write software that gets the job done, Amiga as a platform can move on. Until then, it's just the same old lies and political bull-dump year after year. I was really excited about Tao's VP until Hyperion dropped the PPC bomb. Does Amiga want to be anywhere or not?
minator: The Amiga sold the vast majority of it's units as ...a games machine!
Guess what it was originally designed as?
The Amiga's bus was far too sophisticated to be a mere game machine. It was a full computer with a game machine's graphics capabilities.
Nobody knew anything about multimedia in the time of MS-DOS and 2-color Macs, so nobody used the machine the way it was meant to be used -- through the OS.
Minator: *Sales at end of 2004 were 18 millions units worldwide.
I'm sure all of them are interested in AmigaOS, too, where they can all run their software from memory cards and read-only mini-cds with less than a 200Mhz CPU and 24 megs of memory.
Might as well put together a Linux box from last year's x86 hardware. You can always re-compile your open-source code later if you're truly obsessed over having a PPC machine.
Acill: The Amiga was a lot more then that though. Its just most people never got past the game phase.
Everytime I walked into The Memory Location (PC store), all they used to show off their workhorse 386 and screaming 486 systems was games. It was pretty depressing to hear everyone joke about the Amiga being a game machine when Wing Commander alone sold millions of PCs (even though it sucked).
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Because games, thousands of colors, stereo music, speech and multitasking are useless... until their machines have it (even if in a hacknied way).
Here's the plan. We find a rich businessman like Branson or Trump or Soros or Murdoch who need a tax dodge-- a business to operate at a loss to reduce their overall tax obligation. They create good hardware and either buy the AmigaOS-holding company, or buy an Amiga OS license. They operate at a loss to get a tax advantage for their previously-existing endeavors. We get real Amiga hardware. They get exploit the tax system to reduce their taxes. Everybody's happy.
Evil. But genius. And very American.
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>SOROS BRANSON TRUMP
Hi
In 2000, Invisible Hands (aka Kouri Capital) financed Amiga Inc.
The owner of Kouri Capital is none other than George Soros.
Because of the powerful Amiga Curse, both Invisible Hand and Kouri were bankrupt in 2001. American Heritage Fund loss approx US$ 400 M because of Kouri Capital problems.
No Sane investor, even multi billionaire want to invest in Amiga Inc or related companies (ie MAI Logic). Perhaps only drug lords who want to "clean" their money will invest in cursed companies.
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Hate to break up the party, but us news-suppression-agenda-conspiracy people have to break it to you, the MAI site is back...
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Wiffy wrote:
Hate to break up the party, but us news-suppression-agenda-conspiracy people have to break it to you, the MAI site is back...
I had forgotten their web address so I went here :www.mailogic.com
(http://www.mailogic.com/images/logo2.jpg)
Direct Mail for Tax Professionals
We are making a few changes to the site and will be back on line soon.
If you have any questions about our products or services, give us a call at:
1-888-370-6845
info@mailogic.com
760.940.9455
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Then realised it was the wrong site...
well, it WOULD have been funny ;-)
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by Wiffy on 2005/5/27 1:40:53
Hate to break up the party, but us news-suppression-agenda-conspiracy people have to break it to you, the MAI site is back...
Does it mention if they paid their workers off yet? :)
Dammy
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Wiffy wrote:
Hate to break up the party, but us news-suppression-agenda-conspiracy people have to break it to you, the MAI site is back...
So it is. Too bad I say. Still a great number of unanswered questions though.
Wayne
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This website is very old (from 2004) That's not the website
they had before their website went down early May (no
SmartTerminal info on frontpage etc.).
Seems someone used archive.org to backup some data to put it
online...
PS: http://www.mai.com/support/WS_FTP.LOG
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There some broken image links on the front page too, looks like someone's just done a quick bodge job. Is it still registered to the same ISP as before?
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Waccoon wrote:
Lou Dias: Nintendo Gamecube. Seriously.
I see you're still obsessed with only a PPC-based solution that is not fully PPC compatible.
Why would Nintendo be interested in AmigaOS? Given the hardware locks, it wouldn't be possible without their direct support, both technically and financially.
Would you expect every AmigaCube developer to have to buy a Nintendo developer's license? Consoles companies make their money on software. Nintendo would want their cut, especially if the OS was built on Nintendo's APIs, as you frequently promote.
Look beyond the "at-margin" hardware, and you should realize that it's not as cheap as you think, to say nothing about the extra hardware you need to make it work.
Um only if you wanted a 1.8GB disc burned. Otherwise you are coding with the Amiga API and can run software from a mapped networked drive (SAMBA). There's also a usb->memory card port device... Not to mention devices that let you plug in ps2 keyboard and mice into the GC's controller ports. Let's not overlook the progressive scan mode of the machine which will give a better display (can be made into a VGA port connector) than any non-video card equipped Amiga and is more powerful than any Amiga graphics (3rd-party or otherwise) chipset (12 million fully texture-mapped T&L'd real world polygons/sec). And yes the 64 channel Dolby Prologic II Surround ain't to shabby either...
minator: The Amiga sold the vast majority of it's units as ...a games machine!
Guess what it was originally designed as?
The Amiga's bus was far too sophisticated to be a mere game machine. It was a full computer with a game machine's graphics capabilities.
Nobody knew anything about multimedia in the time of MS-DOS and 2-color Macs, so nobody used the machine the way it was meant to be used -- through the OS.
Dude, you know it was supposed to be a game machine and the OS was thrown in LATEr.
Minator: *Sales at end of 2004 were 18 millions units worldwide.
I'm sure all of them are interested in AmigaOS, too, where they can all run their software from memory cards and read-only mini-cds with less than a 200Mhz CPU and 24 megs of memory.
Might as well put together a Linux box from last year's x86 hardware. You can always re-compile your open-source code later if you're truly obsessed over having a PPC machine.
Some of us would welcome it...as we already own the GC and are HERE. Others here would recognized it's value and the fact that the OS would actually exist would be a selling point. Finally there is a small % of current GAMECUBE OWNERS who would see it reviewed in a MAJOR magazine (online or print) and try it out. This last market is bigger than the current A1 market by 100 fold. Of the ~19 million owners, the poorest title (with no replay value) sells 60k copies.
Also, it's a 485MHz (not 200) G3 Gekko cpu with 38 SIMD instructions thrown in that aren't in previous G3's which puts it more on par with a G4's capabilities. Last time I looked, I've never seen a real Amiga ship with more than 4MB. And 24 + 16 = 40 MB which is what the GC comes with.