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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Helgis75 on March 09, 2003, 03:02:59 PM
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Hello! My A1G4XE system will consist of these equipments when i build it. I am still awaiting my motherboard, but here is just an idea of how my system will be in the end:
800Mhz AmigaOne G4-XE motherboard/CPU-cooler
1GB SDRAM DIMM (2 parts 512MB 133Mhz Apacer, Original Buffered Registered ECC)
2 parts 120GB Western Digital Caviar 8MB Cache Harddrives
Black internal Samsung 16x/48x DVD-ROM EIDE/ATAPI drive
Black internal Samsung 40x/12x/40x CDRW EIDE/ATAPI drive
Black Chieftech Dragon MIDI-tower/360W PSU + 4 cooler fans..
Black Logitech Cordless Desktop Comfort/Optical Mouseman
ATI Radeon 9100 Atlantis 128MB DDR AGP-card
SoundBlaster Live! Digital 5.1 PCI-soundcard/Inspire 6700 Digital 6.1 speakers
19" Hyundai Silver/Black 1600 x 1200 85Hz DynaFlat-X SVGA-monitor
10/100 Ethernet PCI-card
That's all of my equipments for my A1G4XE when i get the motherboard. I also see that ATI will release three new cards, the Radeon 9800-series, Radeon 9600-series and the Radeon 9200-series. When the next version of AmigaOne arrives with Articia P, i may go straight for the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with 256MB 256-bit DDR-graphic memory, and the 24-bit TerraTec Aureon 7.1 Space!!!! Here we go again!!!
:-) :-D ;-) :-o 8-) :-o ;-) :-D :-) :-D ;-) :-o 8-) :-) :-D
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And now guess why I allready knew who posted this
after I just saw the topic .......
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Kronos wrote:
And now guess why I allready knew who posted this
after I just saw the topic .......
Because i mentioned something like this before, right? ;-)
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Unless you want to have 2 ethernet sockets,the Ethernet PCI card is useless as the AOne motherboard has a perfect capable 10/100 ethernet chip.:-D
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Ami603 wrote:
Unless you want to have 2 ethernet sockets,the Ethernet PCI card is useless as the AOne motherboard has a perfect capable 10/100 ethernet chip.:-D
Then i don't need the Ethernet-card, just a cable..That's brilliant! :-)
Hey guys! Why not join Amiga Productions when we get the A1G4XEs ourselves, and start to come up with some amazing ideas for hot new games??!!! That would be perfect! :-D
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Lucky b... :-)
I was going to get myself an A1. But then weeks before the mobo was released, hell broke loose. I had upgraded my x86 and was going to re-use the parts for my A1, I had reserved money for the mobo, everything looked just dandy.
One day I decided to finally throw out that second-hand monitor, and used up the reserve to buy a really good monitor.
BOOM!
Suddenly I stand without a steady income, loose my dialup, and a general state of bad luck blow over me like a dark cloud. And all because I bought a monitor I would have needed anyway, when I got my A1 together.
I just got my diaup back and I hope I can get enough cash during the summer to finally buy my beloved A1 mobo.
I just keep thinking: atleast the A1 mobo EXIST. It could have been alot worse.
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It's never too late. :-)
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That's nice Helgis75.
Bet you can't wait.
and don't worry about what the clown says.
I grew tired of those three folks a long time ago.
You know the three I speak of.
The "Unholy Three".
But anyway Helgis75...
I've alway enjoyed your enthusiasm about the amigaone and OS4.
Keep on hoping and maybe one day you won't have to hope anymore.
That's the ultimate end isn't it?
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1GB SDRAM DIMM (2 parts 512MB 133Mhz Apacer, Original Buffered Registered ECC)
Best make sure these aren't Hyperpage modules, or else they won't work.
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Don't bother about a A1 (teron0
Read this http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][boxer]=1
From the Terra Soft homepage:
"Terra Soft ATX PowerPC Systems
Terra Soft Current and Pending Customers,
"Many of you have enthusiastically and patiently awaited the delivery of MAI Logic's Teron motherboards on which Terra Soft's Boxer ATX systems will be built. We have removed the Teron-based systems from our online Store until further notice in order to reduce further confusion and false expectations. We promise to bring this product to market as soon as possible." --Terra Soft Team"
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Triumph wrote:
Don't bother about a A1 (teron0
Read this http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][boxer]=1
From the Terra Soft homepage:
"Terra Soft ATX PowerPC Systems
Terra Soft Current and Pending Customers,
"Many of you have enthusiastically and patiently awaited the delivery of MAI Logic's Teron motherboards on which Terra Soft's Boxer ATX systems will be built. We have removed the Teron-based systems from our online Store until further notice in order to reduce further confusion and false expectations. We promise to bring this product to market as soon as possible." --Terra Soft Team"
Nice try, buddy. I you came from a real company, you wouldn't spend time on forums like this. Professional companies never spend time telling bullshit on forums like this one:-). Nice try, but i am not stupid:-) AmigaOne will be a brilliant system when ready. It's underway from Taiwan at this very moment:-). I for once will be proud about my choice.
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The word was IF...in the beginning of the line..
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Anyone remember a few months back when a load of people were saying that the A1-G3SE would never be made, that A inc had given up, that there wouldn't ever be an AmigaONE? I wonder if they still think that :-)
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Hi everyone!!! :-D
[boxer]=1]Terrasoft announcement (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware)
Seems like everyone is having problems with MAI lately. Delays delays delays... hey, maybe AmigaOS4 will be finished before the next revision of the Teron/AmigaONE PPC motherboard gets released. :-D
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@Helgis75
That is from the true site.
But i would not worry yet.
As eyetech are not Terrasoft.
See what eyetech have to say first as this is one sided ATM.
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alx wrote:
Anyone remember a few months back when a load of people were saying that the A1-G3SE would never be made, that A inc had given up, that there wouldn't ever be an AmigaONE? I wonder if they still think that :-)
I would point out that the A1-G3SE was cancelled sooner than it was released. So it technically wasn't made. A few earlybird boards got delivered, but not even all of the orders were fulfilled. So I'd call that prediction quite accurate.
And there still isn't an AmigaONE as originally promiced. You know, the plug-in card for your A1200?
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@Helgis/alx
TerraSoft is bigger than Eyetech and chances are that they would
sell more boards. If this company refuses to give any release
dates on their page, and now even deletes the little info they had their....
On the other side we have Eyetech who's excuses have been in the last weeks:
a) the BIOS ain't finished, odd thin is that Hand J. Frieden wrote it
would have been finished weeks ago.
b) Moto doesn't deliever the CPUs, Even if one believes that it still
raises the question why they don't deliever the A1-XE-G3 with IBM-CPU
than ?
c) they are on the way, but honestly delievery from Taiwan doesn't
take weeks in this day and age.
So could it be that all these delays have somthing to do with
the board itself or the northbridge used on it ?
edit:
Wow typing with such a lag is real pain ....
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Well, AmigaOnes are not the same as the Teron boards, as further modifications have been done by Eyetech, but originally AmigaOne is based on the same Teron-technology, yes..But it's only the Teron boards that face problems with delivery now. That doesn't necessarily mean it happens to the AmigaOne..
By the way, AmigaOne is actually underway from Taiwan at the moment, soon ready for shipping after successful beta-testing..When speaking of OS4, it may not be ready until April/May, but Fleecy told me in a mail that they don't want to release half-finished products as most competitors do. Amiga wants to ensure high-quality products as best as possible. I can tell you that when OS4 finally gets out, you will have the hottest and the best PPC-OS yet to date, and i am definitely not kidding!!!
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@Helgis
The Terons (MK2) promised by TerraSoft are 100% identical with
those promised by Eyetech.
The same onboard-audio, the same BIOS (U-Boot) the same southbridge
and yes the way the AGP-slot interfers with the 1st PCI is also the same.
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Kronos wrote:
@Helgis
The Terons (MK2) promised by TerraSoft are 100% identical with
those promised by Eyetech.
The same onboard-audio, the same BIOS (U-Boot) the same southbridge
and yes the way the AGP-slot interfers with the 1st PCI is also the same.
To a certain point of view yes, but remember that Eyetech have done their own modifications. Mai only provided the controller chips for these. There will be a new press-release considering the AmigaOne during the next week, and Alan will speak about the AmigaOne and its' future. Don't worry...Trust me..
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@Helgis75
Uh...
Eyetech just resells the Teron boards supplied by Mai. They don't build any boards, nor designed any boards, on their own. it *is* the Teron board from Mai.
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Eyetech ?
You mean the guy who really thought the Escena-board would ever run ?
The one who talked about a A1200_2_PCI-bridge ?
Who wanted to put a BGA-socket onto a consumer product ?
:lol:
There is noone at Eyetech capable of this, and anything they order in
the far east will also find it's way onto the "normal" Teron, cause
there is no way of finacing something like that back just in the Amiga-
market.
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downix wrote:
@Helgis75
Uh...
Eyetech just resells the Teron boards supplied by Mai. They don't build any boards, nor designed any boards, on their own. it *is* the Teron board from Mai.
It's not quite true. Eyetech did their own modifications to the motherboard. The technology is from Mai Logic, yes. That's true, but Eyetech bought the rights to use the Teron-technology to build AmigaOne-motherboards. Don't forget that. One of the things that happened under the betatesting of AmigaOne-XE mobos in Taiwan, was the intergration of a brand new Firmware. Hyperion will bring up a pressrelease about this shortly...You'll definitely love the features. Also remember that Hyperion allianced with SciTech Software bringing in support of over 170 different graphic systems to AmigaOS! This definitely tells a lot...!
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It's not quite true. Eyetech did their own modifications to the motherboard.
Please, point out where any traces were modified, chips changed, etc on the design. Please, I'd like to see a hardware change in the design.
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The original design was AmigaOne A1200 which had 6 PCI slots and the bridge-connection, then came the Teron-design. The ORIGINAL Teron-design you see on the Teron-boards. One of the changes were to refusing the AMR-slot on the XE-motherboards and intergration of audio with codecs. See this on the latest XE-pictures. These modifications were done by Eyetech in conjuction with Hyperion, Amiga and Mai...Now you get the picture right...
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and gues what ..... these mobos (without the AMR-slot) are
mobos TerraSoft wants(ed) to sell .....
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@Helgis75
Uh...
those changes were on the Teron PX before Eyetech even had the older "built-in-CPU" G3 boards.
So please, try again.
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AmigaOnes are not the same as the Teron boards, as further modifications have been done by Eyetech
Eyetech only sell the boards, they aren't a hardware engineering firm.
The terrasoft BoXeR and the AmigaONE motherboard are rebadged MAI Teron motherboards. The AmigaONE motherboard factory default BIOS has been replaced with a BIOS (developed by Hyperion?) that boots directly into AmigaOS4. *yawn* not that big of deal anyways... :-D
AmigaOne is actually underway from Taiwan at the moment, soon ready for shipping after successful beta-testing
If a giant Linux company like Terrasoft can't get boards in time for their customers, I doubt a small Amiga retailer like Eyesoft can get them on time either. *Yawn*
Fleecy told me in a mail that they don't want to release half-finished products as most competitors do
Obviously you don't release a half finished product for your customers, but not providing a BETA AmigaOS4 to show potential developers is a problem.
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Helgis75 wrote:
downix wrote:
@Helgis75
Uh...
Eyetech just resells the Teron boards supplied by Mai. They don't build any boards, nor designed any boards, on their own. it *is* the Teron board from Mai.
It's not quite true. Eyetech did their own modifications to the motherboard. The technology is from Mai Logic, yes. That's true, but Eyetech bought the rights to use the Teron-technology to build AmigaOne-motherboards.
You seem to be very confused on this point. If you've only been reading those weird Eyetech press-releases about "new Amigas" and other nonsense I don't blame you though... I remember them even introducing the "AmigaOne SE" with "it is not a Teron CX"! Amazing, really.
"AmigaOne XE" is the trademark that one distributor, Eyetech, will use to market Teron PX boards. "AmigaOne SE" was the trademark that the same distributor was to use for marketing Teron CX boards (before those were discontinued).
Eyetech has no control whatsoever over hardware design or product planning. Eyetech is a distributor. Period.
Don't forget that. One of the things that happened under the betatesting of AmigaOne-XE mobos in Taiwan, was the intergration of a brand new Firmware.
The firmware is not hardware design, and it is also to be delivered with all Teron boards, regardless of distributor. It has nothing to do with Eyetech. Also, you don't need to go to Taiwan to "integrate" firmware (whatever the hell you mean by that? Develop it? Flash it on a mobo?)
Hyperion will bring up a pressrelease about this shortly...You'll definitely love the features. Also remember that Hyperion allianced with SciTech Software bringing in support of over 170 different graphic systems to AmigaOS! This definitely tells a lot...!
None of which has anything to do with that "AmigaOne XE" is a licensed trademark for the Teron PX, and that Eyetech has nothing to do with the design of the product. They buy boards, then they sell them. Simple as that. Be happy that it's at least not a custom job and even more overpriced than it already has been made.
The only difference between a Teron sold by Eyetech and a "normal" Teron sold by anybody else is that the Eyetech Teron will some time in an undefined future have a code added to the firmware in order to control the hardware market available for AmigaOS users. That's not even a technical/functional difference, but more of a marketing/distribution difference.
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And now guess why I allready knew who posted this after I just saw the topic .......
Ha ha ha... LOL Exactly what I was thinking :lol:
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The word may not be confused, as i carefully read everything Eyetech, Hyperion, Mai and Amiga are doing. I could be a bit wrong, though. But answer me this. Why is Eyetech chosen as the main hardware manufacture for the Amiga to develop AmigaOne? I know for sure that Eyetech will play a key role for future development of new AmigaOne-motherboards...But it's true that Mai Logic did all the work...That does explain the alliance with Eyetech in this..But the last statement was that AmigaOne was successively betatested in Taiwan, and got a brand new Firmware which Hyperion is responsible for..Eyetech may sell the boards, but they are not limiting themselves to sales..I happen to hear that Alan Redhouse of Eyetech has great plans for the future of the AmigaOne...
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I happen to hear that Alan Redhouse of Eyetech has great plans for the future of the AmigaOne...
Similiar to the great plans of Irving Gould for the original Amigas? :-P
(Sorry, couldn't resist! Please view as humor and not flamewar!)
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Why is Eyetech chosen as the main hardware manufacture for the Amiga to develop AmigaOne?
they weren't. They paid for the right to brand a motherboard as AmigaONE. Nowhere did they claim to manufacture Amiga's.
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All those extra boards sound expensive how do you know they will be supported? Good luck finding drivers from open source project sites, you are a brave man. I hope you have broadband for all your downloading needs.8-)
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@Downix and Kronos
Can I just ask you? What are you actually doing here? I mean, while I disagree with what Helgis is saying, I can`t agree with the way you just pour scorn on anything anyone ever seems to say.
Everytime I read a post by you guys, it reeks of negativity and cynicism and I know it is starting to annoy people.
I`m not trying to start a flamewar here (but I probably will) but can I at least get you to ask yourselves one thing, if the only contribution you can make is to constantly put a downer on things, isn`t it time you found a new hobby?
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Rudei wrote:
@Downix and Kronos
[putting downers on everything, only posting cynicisms ...]
I'm sure Downix and Kronos are fully capable of defending themselves ;) but why are you posting what you just said in this thread? Several people including Downix and Kronos posted factual corrections to a couple of incorrect statements. There were no opinions as far as I could see (although in my eyes it's a GOOD thing that Helgis' statements about some of the Teron boards being "customised" in some way are incorrect).
I hope there aren't that many people that see value-neutral facts as "downers" or "scorn"... That'd be scary.
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Wasn`t as much related to this thread as any other - its not meant to be a personal attack, so if it is read like that I apologise - it just seems (and this is my opinion:) that everytime I read a thread and they make a posting, it appears to be quite negative, it could be I haven`t read the threads where they have made a postitive contribution.
Just my cents worth, and not particularily relevant to this thread I guess :-D
And believe me, I know they can defend themselves but hopefully they won`t need to since I was asking some genuine questions and not trying to be insulting,
In anticipation
Rude!
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Everytime I read a post by you guys, it reeks of negativity and cynicism and I know it is starting to annoy people.
Ok that was a rant, I take that back :-)
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After reading the different messages, i have learnt that Mai Logic was the one who actually developed the Teron boards, and allianced with Eyetech to let them deliver the motherboards. Eyetech might has told Mai Logic what changes to the motherboards they expected, and Mai Logic may have done the changes themselves. I know it's mostly software fixes that have been done to the motherboards, after branding them AmigaOnes, which Eyetech as i understand got the right to do:-). Mai Logic must have done the modifications we see on the current design of the AmigaOne XE..
I also believe that Mai Logic will make a NEW version of the Teron boards, to test the new Articia P when it's finished..This is what i believe Alan Redhouse is going to tell, because with the long term partnership with Mai Logic, the future of the AmigaOne is secured..
It's too much focus on problems and fustrations of waiting for our PPC-system than instead thinking about how they will be like when we get them, what they will be capable of doing and how well they will do the things we all love. No matter who is doing what. The point is to bring the very best of new Amiga-technology to the Amiga community..
Hope this message will help.. :-) :-) :-)
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Hello Helgis75,
First, I'd like to say, consder a 1 gig ram SIMM. Later, buy 1 more (as soon as you can :-D ).
Second, I'm getting mine with 2 Gigs and a RAID card for INSTANT bootup :-D :-D (well, I hope under 10 seconds, IF a raid driver is made).
My take on this is (I am reading between the lines):
AInc. found Eyetech, who was willing to PAY for someone to make a custom (or at LEAST a slightly modified board). AInc. found Hyperion, who was willing to make the OS. Then ALL 3 of them had input on what they wanted on the board, based also on what Hyperion was capable of, SW wise. Looks like they even ended up having to code some firmware someone else was hired to do, but they failed (guess they weren't Amigans).
And, obviously, a 100 setbacks later, soon A1 will be out!!!!
AmigaOne! I'm not ready for second best!
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>TerraSoft is bigger than Eyetech and chances are >that they would
>sell more boards. If this company refuses to give >any release
>dates on their page, and now even deletes the little >info they had their....
Ha, sell more boards and bigger than Eyetech!
I'm afraid your wrong Mr.Kronos ...... Terrasoft is exactly 3 people with a fancy website.
In regards to what they've been up to ...... it will all come out in the wash !!!!
Regards
otpsoft
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wah... Computer envy...
"Black Chieftech Dragon ??" :-P Those HWare manufacturers surely know how to speak to young lads :))
I'm juste wondering : Who's in charge of dev. The drivers for ALL the video cards you mentionned, AND the SBLive sound card ? I mean, those are slow-coming (not so slow, but heck, slower than wintel drivers) to Linux, so I'm really wondering...
Is all this software ready ??
pX