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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: Darth_X on March 08, 2003, 04:16:09 PM
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Hello, I would like to know if Amiga Books . org is in operation or shut down?
http://www.amigabooks.org/ (http://www.amigabooks.org/)
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How many more times.
Amigabooks.org currently has several books in
draft and in progress. Two books have graduated
to being considered for publication.
The content is not available to the general public
at the moment - we will be timing this with the launch
of AmigaOS4 for what should be obvious reasons.
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How many more times
Several?
Just mention on your site that it will be launched with AmigaOS4.
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Ah. Good idea ;-)
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By the way, do you know anyone working on a mozilla port for AmigaOS4?
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No. I had a good version running on OS3.9 but
the mosdev mailing list was stillborn when I
posted it - it seems.
If I get time, I might ressurect it and bring it up
to the latest M release level and throw it onto OS4
as a freebie port.
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@davep
Am I missing something, or did you just say you were running Mozilla on OS3.9? :-)
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Yeah, exactly what I was gonna ask?! :-? :-)
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Erm, yes, I've posted about this quite frequently in
the past and no one has taken me up on the offer
of taking it on - being too subtle I guess. I seemed to be the only one doing any actual work on it so I stopped.
Its slow, buggy ( early M codebase ), and needs a lot
of graft to get to something that I would be proud of.
It is sitting on the machine to the right of where I am typing at the moment which is sans one broken motherboard.
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Mozilla on AmigaOS? Wow :-o
I'm using Mozilla at the moment and love it. A lot of people would be interested in a port - and I'm sure many would help development.
Do you realise how a working port of Mozilla could pretty much revolutionise web browsing on the Amiga?!!
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Well if someone had reacted this positively a year ago then I might do something about it. For now it waits behind the work I do for AmigaOS4 ;-) Then it will get an update ( if people still want it ) for AmigaOS4 only.
It's based on an early-ish codebase ( without the machine up I just have my memory to go by ) - so
god knows what changes have to be made to the codebase now to get it to the latest version.
Amazing what you can do by not getting yourself tied up in knots porting widget sets ;-)
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My God, an Amiga web browser with CSS and full HTML 4.1 support. Damn.
I heard a rumor of his a long while ago, glad to know it's true.
Good work. I'd love to see it for OS 4.0.
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@DaveP
Actually I've been setting up a mailing list and CVS server to tackle just such a project, would more than welcome your code to attempt to bring it up to the latest release.
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Well the rumours probably came from my posting
about it in conversation on Amiga.org and ANN
over the last.... 18 months.
I'm probably not the only one to do it.
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@Downix
Wheres the project? What platforms are it for?
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Don't have a website, just got the mailing list set up... thursday I think.
Basically AmigaOS and MorphOS, but have no issues with it on AmigaOS 4 or AROS either. The first goal is to get it on OS 3.9, a common base for all to them take it to their own choice of platform, be that AOS4, MOS or AROS.
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@Downix
Well tune me in to the mailing list ( DaveP@amiga.org ) and I am expecting a replacement motherboard early next week so should be able to pull the source off as soon as I get up and running.
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*reminds me, I need to order a new mobo for my 1200*
Alright, put you into the server's stack to be added to the list. Just got it set up thursday, so still getting people added to it. Should be on by tonight, you'll get a confirmation e-mail.
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Two years ago I ported Opera for OS3.1 but forgot to mention it. Maybe amiga-news.de will pick this up and add it as a news item too!
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@KenneyR
You are entitled to believe what the hell you like. This was part of mozdev which as you know folded into nothingness.
Just because you might be a twisted little lazy sod doesn't mean everyone else is.
It's not as if I haven't mentioned it over the last two years or anything!
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@DaveP
This sarcasm wasn't aimed at you. If you go to www.amiga-news.de you'll see they've posted a "Mozilla for Amiga" thread based on this comment made in passing in this thread, which isn't even about Mozilla. This is totally ridiculous.
Just because you might be a twisted little lazy sod doesn't mean everyone else is.
Everyone who hasn't tried to port Mozilla is a twisted little lazy sod? I don't think so. The scale of the project is so enormous it just even adds more a ridiculous spin to the fact above for any person or group to claim that they'll port it to OS4. Save your insults for someone who's more naîve. It usually works.
It's not as if I haven't mentioned it over the last two years or anything!
My understanding of the Mozilla on Amiga project is that it failed miserably, with no progress at all being made (apart from getting a mention of Amiga on mozilla.org). Are you saying you've suddenly got to it work?
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Firstly I have not looked at Amiga-news.de for
a LONG time.
Secondly I have a version of Gecko that works on AmigaOS3.9 which was compiled for AmigaOS3.5 a LONG time ago. Its slow, buggy and barely complete. I stopped when I realised the branch I was working on was obsolete by a significant amount and the mozdev mailing list had gone dead. This was shortly before I upsticks and went PC for a bit. At that point it was orphaned and not even checked back into CVS. I have mentioned this many times on threads and in ANN. If it had been FINISHED there might have been a news story about it. But it was not and frankly I have no interest in supporting a codebase that few would treat as the "free" software that it is.
I have seen how people slag off those that write anything and stop supporting it.
KennyR wrote:
@DaveP
This sarcasm wasn't aimed at you.
Rubbish.
it just even adds more a ridiculous spin to the fact above for any person or group to claim that they'll port it to OS4. Save your insults for someone who's more naîve. It usually works.
My understanding of the Mozilla on Amiga project is that it failed miserably, with no progress at all being made (apart from getting a mention of Amiga on mozilla.org). Are you saying you've suddenly got to it work?
LOL so basically you are saying that the sarcasm wasn't aimed at me - and then you say the job is too big for any one person to make progress on it
I think you are trying to distance yourself from your own statement which - to me - was clearly aimed at me who had "forgot".
I will help Downix and others as much as possible but you are a clear example of why I felt it wasn't worth the bother.
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LOL so basically you are saying that the sarcasm wasn't aimed at me - and then you say the job is too big for any one person to make progress on it
Both statements are true.
I will help Downix and others as much as possible but you are a clear example of why I felt it wasn't worth the bother.
Don't try to pass this off on me. I'm sure you can find some other excuse - a true one would be nice, such as you needed support for porting it and didn't get any.
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@KenneyR
Riiiight so if the sarcasm wasn't directed at me
why did you post it here and not on Amiga-news.de?
I'm sure you can find some other excuse
"excuse" ??? WTF are you talking about? Did you hire me to do this? I have put my reasons above, do
not try to oversimplify them.
Oh Im *soooo* sorry I didn't carry on working on it
to get it to the state where it was a viable branch. :-o
You are a case in point as to why people get put
off.
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Riiiight so if the sarcasm wasn't directed at me why did you post it here and not on Amiga-news.de?
Two answers:
1. I can read German but not write it very well.
2. There is a link from there right to this page. I meant for the people coming here to see the fact that that the amiga-news item was basically BS. That actually would benefit you - now they can't fairly accuse you of FUD when they discover some weeks down the line it was amiga-news' mistake and not yours.
"excuse" ??? WTF are you talking about? Did you hire me to do this? I have put my reasons above, do not try to oversimplify them.
Blaming me (who has nothing to do with the Mozilla project whatsoever) is not an excuse? I didn't criticise you at the time for trying. I'm not criticising you for not suceeding now. Why do you feel you have to try to say I somehow demotivated you?
Oh Im *soooo* sorry I didn't carry on working on it to get it to the state where it was a viable branch.
You don't have to apologise to me or to anyone (not even sarcastically). As I said (and I'll repeat it) I'm not blaming you for not completely porting it, I'm not even accusing you of claiming you completely ported it!
You are a case in point as to why people get put off.
I don't accept your blame. People get more put off when they are told something will happen when it won't. The Amiga-news.de mistake is an example.
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KenneyR
I think I have grossly misunderstood you then and misinterpreted your words. We have been talking at cross purposes.
My apologies. I hope you accept them.
I clearly need to take time out ;-)
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@DaveP
No problem. There was misunderstanding, you got angry, I got angry, and hell, this kind of thing happens. I'm sorry, since my original post was more than a little cynical and badly focused. I accept your apology and hope you accept mine.
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@KennyR
Totally accepted. It wasn't until your last post
I realised what you had meant.
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Well you have been proven right. Can you believe
that one guy on there has basically said I should
have made a video of it running! .... riiiiighttttt
They clearly haven't come here and looked at the truth of the matter!
This hopefully won't get further out of hand. :-?
Wish I'd kept my gob shut about it now and just
offered the code to Downix if and when he publicised what he was doing.
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What are you doing for OS 4.0? If you don't mind me asking and your able to say.
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Arg, Thanks Kenny. People wonder why Amiga software support is crappy to none. Stop beating down the developers. Encourage them, offer to beta test, etc. Drive them away and we won't have need of further development.
Dave, keep up the good work. Don't let the pessimists get you down.
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Whoa, okay, this just got bizarre. Someone from Genesi and someone from OS4 working on bringing us Mozilla. Doesn't this violate some fundemental rule of the Amiverse? I'm not sure which one, this should be fine. It's nice to see. It's just kind of wierd to see with a backdrop of the "community" all huddled into there own little "camps".
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Downix:
I didn't say you wished ill of AOS4. I was just trying to point out, in my own weird way, that what you two are doing or planning to to is in stark contrast to what is going on in the background (the various "Amiga" camps, the AO is now a MOS site trolls, amigaworld.net is amiga pure blood, etc.) I happen to agree with you, this will be very benifical.
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Whoohoo!! Mozilla for the Amiga would be great!! Wheter it is OS 3.9 or OS 4.
The working together between two people from both camps would be even better!! :-) :-) :-)
That's so much more constructive then what has been going on in the public the last couple of months.
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One thing I find interesting in the Mozilla platform is XPCOM, a cross platform component model. There are some great articles on IBM's developerworks site, in fact I think the developworks documentation is better than what is on Mozilla.org.
AmigaInc hired subcontractors to develop ACM, the Amiga Component Model. So far we have not heard what happened to this project. Who? What ? when? Where? (And also being told that ACM was developed in pure TAO VP, not C++ which would be portable, really made me cringe... how much work & $$$ would be lost if the TAO VP project didn't work out?)
So if ACM isn't viable (or available), maybe porting XPCOM would be a more effective component system?
Note: I'm not starting FUD or flamewar, I REALLY want to know more information about COM, ACM and XPCOM. :-D
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@DaveP
Do you realise that Mozilla is one of THE most WANTED pieces of software for AmigaOS?? If we posted a news item which said "early alpha of Mozilla exists for AmigaOS", there would be a phenomenal amount of feedback! I'm sure of it! I dont think anybody up until now has found out work has progressed this far.. this is like, really amazing. Like, well done!
I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say, the amiga community would really really appreciate it if you were to continue work on this..
Personally, a modern browser would give me one huge reason to just own an AmigaOne, and no PC..
I wish I could help you, but I'm still learning how to code. My own little project is taking ages to complete.
Dont let others get you down, you will be heralded as an amiga GOD if mozilla gets into a usable state. You mentioned it was slow.. hey, at 600mhz, thats not too much of a problem. :)
Please dont give up, the amiga community needs a good modern web browser.
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Hey guys,
I'm new here, and have just purchased an AmigaOne XE G4, after my interest in all things amiga somehow got rekindled :)
I bought this system understanding there will not be much software available for quite some time, and as such I am interested in working on a port of Mozilla to OS4, and porting other useful opensource software
Downix, how do I go about getting added to your mailing list?
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Darth_X: I knew that the dark side was capable of evil deeds, but to start a soap opera here on AO...
:-)
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And I'm pondering if I should speak or just keep my mouth shut... :-D
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@DaveP
Have you a buggy Mozilla for AmigaOS ????
Oh my god, if it's true please share it ! Check the Amizilla web site and Mailing List at:
http://amizilla.net/