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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Targhan on March 07, 2003, 11:27:34 PM
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I've got Amithlon stuff kinda back up and running.. but....
My internet connection stinks. After so long, the modem just seems to "pause", particularly during uploads. I can sometimes crash when copying files between volumes, and doing a full format on something is a BIG no-no.
I have both the original emubox.gz and the new_emubox.gz. I have all the "Bernie" updates and the Amithlon update. Do I need to install BoingBag2, what do I need to fix here?
HEEEEELLLLLP!
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There is a thread concerning this on the recent messages at of the amithlon open mailing list yahoogroups.com, in case you haven't checked today.
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Thanks Lo!
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Just to basically clear one thing up: you don't need to do a full format on anything anyway, so it's no great problem that you can't.
Use Quick Format at all times with Amithlon.
As for the others, I can't really comment. I don't use modems any more, and copying large files have not caused any problems at all.
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"Use quick format at all times with Amithlon"
Thanks, I didn't know that, Bill.
I'm going to be a hog and stick my sound problem in here, Seems to be OnTopic? (Also pasted to the mailing list)
PlayCD plays/ejects CDDA Disc, but only can be heard thru headphones!
Amplifier loads MP3, but locks up and cannot be "killed" -reboot
They work fine via AmigaXL
No luck with puhDerBaer either (don't really need it, no games)
PlayCD active tooltypes:
DOSDEV=CD0
DONOTWAIT
AC97Mixer: After installing this, I get recoverable alerts when opening
tools, so its not active..do I really need it?
6.System:> version wbstartup/ac97mixer file full
ac97mixer v2.1 (09/01/2002)
AHI Preferences..Config..
Mode Settings:
SB 128: 16 bit stereo++
music & unit 0-3 freq 44100, 4 channels
Mode ID... 0x0021001.. full duplex recording
Driver................ Devs:AHI/sb128.audio
Version........ sb128.audio 4.4 (24.11.2001)
Volume.........+0.0 db
Monitor.........muted
Gain/Input/output ...midway/ghosted
Advanced settings:
DeBug level.......................... None
Echo........................................Enabled
Surround in "Fast" modes. Enabled
Master Volume..................... without clipping
CPU usage limit.................... 90%
Default anti-click time........ 0ms
Devs:
6.System:> version devs:ahi/sb128.audio file full
sb128.audio 4.4 (11/24/01)
6.System:> version devs/dosdrivers/audio file full
AUDIO 1.0 (01/29/97)
5.System:> version devs/ahi.device file full
ahi.device 5.19 (12/14/01)
©1994-2001 Martin Blom. 68020 version.
Devs/audiomodes/SB128 588 bytes no version
4.System:> pciscan
Function 00:00.0 --> Advanced Micro Devices/AMD-751 Processor-to-PCI Bridge / Memory Ctrlr
mem at addr 54000000 (57ffffff) . Prefetchable
mem at addr 51000000 (51000fff) . Prefetchable
I/O at addr 1090 (1093)
Function 00:01.0 --> Advanced Micro Devices/AMD-751 AGP and PCI-to-PCI Bridge (1x/2x AGP)
Bridge (01)!
Function 00:04.0 --> VIA Technologies Inc/VT82C686 PCI-to-ISA bridge
Function 00:04.1 --> VIA Technologies Inc/VT82C586/686 PCI IDE Controller
I/O at addr 1080 (108f)
Function 00:04.2 --> VIA Technologies Inc/VT83C572 PCI USB Controller
I/O at addr 1040 (105f)
IRQ 9
Function 00:04.3 --> VIA Technologies Inc/VT83C572 PCI USB Controller
I/O at addr fce0 (fcff)
IRQ 9
Function 00:04.4 --> VIA Technologies Inc/VT82C686A ACPI Power Management Controller
IRQ 9
Function 00:0e.0 --> Ensoniq/ES1371 AudioPCI
I/O at addr 1000 (103f)
IRQ 10
Function 00:0f.0 --> Realtek Semiconductor/RTL8029 NE2000 compatible Ethernet
I/O at addr 1060 (107f)
IRQ 5
Function 01:05.0 --> Nvidia Corporation/Riva TNT2 (Pro)
mem at addr 50000000 (50ffffff)
mem at addr 52000000 (53ffffff) . Prefetchable
IRQ 11
Amplifier:
5.System:> version utilities/amplifier/amplifier file full
AMPlifier 2.34 (10/12/01)
Amplifier:
5.System:> version utilities/amplifier/amplifier file full
AMPlifier 2.34 (10/12/01)
Audio I/O:
MPEG audio player 1.5:
Decoder Layer i,ii,& iii -hardware/ahi.device unit-0
X-Audio/AHI Audio Device AHI Vol boost unit 0
SoundCard: Creative soundblaster Audio PCI 128 Model CT 5801
HP Athlon900mhz 9780c K7M motherb
CdRom: (per HDtoolbox) LG CD-RW CED-8080B 1.06 Size: unknown
See there seem to be SO many variables, anyone see something wrong? need more info? any feedback much appreciated!
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Lo wrote:
I'm going to be a hog and stick my sound problem in here, Seems to be OnTopic? (Also pasted to the mailing list)
I'm glad you did that, 'coz there's no way I'm going to try and pick through all of that in a forum post.
:-)
PlayCD plays/ejects CDDA Disc, but only can be heard thru headphones!
That's because the CD audio passthrough cannel is usually off by default when you switch your machine on. You will need to activate the mixer to get round this.
Amplifier loads MP3, but locks up and cannot be "killed" -reboot
Erm, dunno. First of all, do you have AHI properly configured? If so, try the version of Amiplifier from the amithlon_hd: partition (if there's one there - I can't remember offhand). There are a few versions of Amplifier around, and some behave very strangely. Unfortunately H&P didn't really test everything they included in the AOSXL CD to make sure it worked with both systems.
No luck with puhDerBaer either (don't really need it, no games)
What do you mean: "no luck"?
AC97Mixer: After installing this, I get recoverable alerts when opening tools, so its not active..do I really need it?
Yes, if you want to listen to any CDs through the soundcard. The recoverable alerts are not a good sign. You need to track down what is happening, as it may be related to your other problems.
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Hi Lo!
AC97Mixer: After installing this, I get recoverable alerts when opening...
You are having a Creative's SB128. AC97 mixer is only for AC97 on-board sound card. That is why you are having a recoverable alert. That is just a guess, but I'm pretty much sure about that. ;)
later
levelLORD
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You are having a Creative's SB128. AC97 mixer is only for AC97 on-board sound card. That is why you are having a recoverable alert.""
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Makes sense to me, only I keep reading that it works/needed for SB128 as well on the mail list.
(http:// http://home.hawaii.rr.com/kihoalu/images/confused.gif)
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levelLORD wrote:
You are having a Creative's SB128. AC97 mixer is only for AC97 on-board sound card. That is why you are having a recoverable alert. That is just a guess, but I'm pretty much sure about that. ;)
Be careful about making assumptions. :-)
In this case you would br wrong about AC97 mixer. Despite the name, it works with SB128 cards just fine - and in fact it also works with SBLive on the Umilator beta.
I'm afraid that's not the problem
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Perhaps I should concentrate on the AC97Mixer or is there another mixer to try? I believe the author of AC97 frequents the ML, maybe I should email him.
Can't wait for sound!(http:// http://home.hawaii.rr.com/kihoalu/images/bigteeth.gif)
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I don't think there's an alternative to the AC97 Mixer, so you definitely want to get that working.
I think the author is Frank Fenn. Not sure if he checks the ML (none of your queries have appeared there btw), but if you have specific questions it's probably best to mail him directly.
However, even though the Mixer fails, it may not be the actual culprit. More digging is needed to determine the exact root of your problem, and the ML is the best place for that.
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The original serial driver which comes
AMIthlon sux. Which is why your internet
connection sux. If you hav all of Bernie's
updates then you should use "amithlon1_com.device"
rather than the "powercom.device".
Hopefully now you should have a good internet
connection. :)
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You should get a Classic Amiga or just wait for AmigaONE...
Amithlon destroys our community more than it builds. Youre all killing the Amiga by using it!
Regards,
AmiDelf
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Troll.
Please go to amigaworld.net where you belong.
This was a thread about a technical issue, not about your politically motivated xenophobic prejudice.
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Of course it kills the Amiga, thats why it was one of the best selling Amiga products in years.
Face it, Amiga emulation offers the users more than a real Amiga ever could but never mind your years of anti Amiga emulators trolling will continue.
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mhm... its selling good.. and in the end.. there wont be any marked for AmigaONE... simply because people thinks cheap... some will buy, but that will be most Classic Amiga users or people wich have really waited for a new Amiga computer.
Regards,
AmiDelf
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@AmiDelf
I'm so sick of hearing ignorant people like
yourself putting #### on AMIthlon. So what, unix
also belonged to 68k & now we have linux on x86.
Amiga1 is nothing more than a pc. In the end all
it boils down to is choice of cpu. My 060 sits
in a corner collecting dust. My xp2200+ cpu is
35x faster. I do not have shares in motorola
or AMD. I just want my amiga os to fly. Classic
amiga as we knew it is dead.
So please get over it. If you dont like the topic
the please #### off.
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You should get a Classic Amiga or just wait for AmigaONE...
@DaveP
I posted in a thread and you asked for 'proof' of what I said in it...
the above is an example of my proof...
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oki... when people starts to ask our staff things like this:
"I've never used AmigaOS before? Does it need 1gb HD space on x86?"
"Did AmigaOS start up under Amithlon?"
and others stupid questions about amigaos, just because of Amithlon.
If you dont really get what I am into, why do you use AmigaOS at all then? For fun, for showing off that you wont buying AmigaONE? Showing off that Classic Amiga people dosent need to buy any SharkPPC? For what purpouse?...
Do you want to show off AmigaOS? Get a real Amiga and then it shows its real strength! Not under Amithlon...
Regards,
AmiDelf
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"I've never used AmigaOS before? Does it need 1gb HD space on x86?" "Did AmigaOS start up under Amithlon?"
Oh no we don't want that, because it would mean we had a NEW
user for AmigaOS .....
Lets face it, "classic" are to old an expensive to be of any
real use today (for someone new to Amiga).
The A1 can't be used as an Amiga atm, isn't really shipping
and the entry-price is much to high for a great part of those who
might be interested.
The Peg can be used as an Amiga, but availabilty is running out,
and everybody who owns one gets a certain target for hatred just
like those using Amithlon ....
Amithlon made people continue to use AmigaOS who otherwise would
have left due the delays and delays on the PPC-systems.
Same goes for lots of developers, and the decision to do a
special x86 should be based on possible sales, not on fanatism.
I also fail to remember anybody ever demanding x86 code in SW-products,
only that developers shouldn't forget Amithlon-user, by making
PPC-only SW.
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Amithlon... pfft..
Regards,
AmiDelf
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AmiDelf
1. I started this thread because I have had technical issues with my installation of Amithlon.
2. Amithlon HELPS the Amiga market. Go look at GoldED. It's been developed through UAE for YEARS. Anything, and I mean anything, that brings users and developers to our platform helps it.
3. * I * have developed a few tools for use on the Amiga through Amithlon.
Finally, you are entitled to your opinion, but please do not discourage anyone from getting into the community when they might be on the virge of coming or going.
By the way, I got help for my set up. Thanks everyone who's tried to help.
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CygnusEd is better...
Regards,
AmiDelf
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Makecd is developed under UAE, if those developers stopped you Amiga die hards would be screwed without cd burning software, and i hope they do stop development or never EVER do a version for OS4.
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Youre a real anti-Amiga user for sure, saying so...
Regards,
AmiDelf
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Your the one who hates Amiga emulators and the users, so your clearly saying all Amiga developers who make software under emulation must stop making software because they are killing the Amiga.
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It is a wrong way to do it yes...
Regards,
AmiDelf
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@AmiDelf
What is real ?
AMIthlon is the 1st system to use P96 3.
Ami1 is 2 years behind and following.
Ami1 will also use JIT
What is real ?
68k JIT on x86 runs 80% speed of native.
68k JIT on PPC runs 75% speed of native.
68k file size is only fraction of the file size
of native.
x86/$ out peforms ppc by far.
If you think that amiga is hardware I'm afraid
you are living in a fantasy.
It is possible to run any OS on any hardware.
Amiga DE will run on many OS's
OS 5 will work natively on x86 also
Wake up.....!!!!!
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@amidelf:
Yes, that's you. (http://www.odin1.dds.nl/junk/idiotsong.wav).
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The AC97 mixer might be what (in combination with some other software) causes the recoverable errors... When I ran it while developing the debugger/monitor/development too for Umilator, it consistently produced "zeropage" accesses (i.e. almost certainly dereferencing a NULL pointer); IIRC, that included writes into that area.
In and by itself, that's relatively harmless (except for bytes 4-7, none of the bytes are used for anything by default, so *one* faulty piece of software often seems to work just fine). It's only in combination with something else which makes the same mistake that you run into almost-impossible-to-track-down trouble...
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> AMIthlon is the 1st system to use P96 3.
Not really --- despite a lot of (continued) advertising to the contrary, Amithlon still uses P96 v2, just like "everybody" else. Check the versions on some of the P96 files :)
>68k JIT on x86 runs 80% speed of native. [ and PPC 75% ]
That's way way way too broad a statement (for either case). I'd estimate that *in general use, overall*, the JIT in Amithlon runs at 25-35% native speed for integer, and a bit less than that for floating point. Quoting absolute-best-case scenarios for JITs (like RC5 :) is just not really useful (on either host CPU), and AFAICT, there are no commonly available 68k-to-PPC JIT application benchmarks at this point. Potentially, the PPC should be able to do a bit better than the x86; Whether that potential was realized --- who knows?
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A general comment --- is it really necessary that everytime someone mentions the word "Amithlon", the same old arguments need to be repeated?
All this crap has been discussed to death! A few more "It's killing the Amiga" "Did you know all this stuff was developed on emulators" "It stops people from buying the new hardware" "What new hardware? And it rather stops people from leaving altogether" won't change anyone's mind. If we were talking about a multi-million user market, someone might decide to do a scientifically sound survey. It's not, and so we will always be stuck with guesswork.
And in the end, it all comes down to personal freedom. Some people think emulators are great. Other people think they are evil. Yet other people cater to the first group and try to sell them stuff, and a fourth group tries to sell stuff to the second group. And those groups are by no means mutually exclusive.
I like Coke. Other people like Pepsi. Coca Cola is selling stuff to me. Pepsi is selling stuff to other people. If someone shows up online and asks what people think of the new PepsiTwist, or where to get PepsiBlue locally, does telling her that drinking Pepsi is evil, that she should be drinking Coke, and just think of all the good Coca Cola did for the Atlanta Olympics, what has Pepsi ever done for us --- is that really going to help *anyone*? Or does it just scare people away from the online forum (thus subverting the whole point of it!), and ultimately pushes them towards the (much healthier) Orange Juice? (Yes, I was overstretching the analogy at the end. So sue me :)
Sheesh, I must be getting old. I am writing "can't we all just get along" posts about a subject which I obviously feel passionately about :)
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@umisef
Lombi's post Edited by Targhan: Personal Attack.
For your information morphos on pegasos is the
1st currently available ppc/68k jit amiga os
available and its jit speed is 75% that of native.
And amithlon beats it.
As for the p96 version thingy, I think the
authors of it would know :)
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I think umisef would know... he made Amithlon after all ;P who knows better then somethings creator.
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@mips
Ta-sching :-P
@Lombi
1) the MOS-JIT is still only availablöe for those under NDA
(unlike me) and those aren't allowed to give any details.
2) Sure it gets beaten in CPU-intensive tasks, which is no
suprise when you look at the CPUs typical used for Amithlomn.
3) SW doing lots of GFX is faster due the direct access via CGX5
instead of going through the "mess" of CGX-emu,GFX/layers,P96
and linux-drivers.
4) SW calling lots of OS-functions (like for example GoldEd )
run faster because of the native OS, somthing Amithlon lacks.
And yes I got both systems (G3 and AthlonXP1600) so I DO know
what I'm talking about.
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I had an xp1600+. I only just upgraded to a
xp2200+. The xp1600+ is about 6x times faster
than a g3 pegy & it even out peformed it on the
overall gfx speed by far. I totally reject your
argument and comparison. G3 is slow old crap.
Why do you think IBM are investing in AMD now ?
Its just a case of a good OS selling ordinary h/w.
No reason why it cant be on a standard x86 m/b.
You could even plug a sonnet ppc card in an x86
m/b just for the hell of it & hav 2 cpu's.
You do realise tha morph is partialy derived from
AROS x86 ?
:)
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6x faster doing what ? Cracking RC5, or some other stupid benchmark ?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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This was supose to be an amithlon help topic
so I will not respond to any more arguing or
system comparisons from bias people.
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Lombi I agree G3 and PPC in general suck... but it's not nessisarily true that a 68K JIT performs slower clock for clock on a G3... I would bet anything the X86 XP class Athlons stomp any G3 in emulation... heck I'd bet the P4 does to... but thats not the point... I think umisef and the rest of us are thinking of a clock-for-clock ratio here...
But after all he made Amithlon for X86 for the speed and genericness of it anyway so it's all a null-argument.
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@Lombi
You seem to be suffering from a serious case of foot-in-mouth syndrome. All the way past the ankle, I'd say.
Your case isn't going to be boosted by calling Bernie an "arrogant moron", and your claims about its performance are not going to have more credibility than those of the author himself.
You have made a number of incorrect statements in this thread, so my suggestion is that you try to read and learn so as to improve your knowledge rather than lash out at anyone correcting you.
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>You are an arrogant moron.
Thank you. And you are a very polite and well-mannered individual with expertise that I can't possibly hope to match....
> For your information morphos on pegasos is the
> 1st currently available ppc/68k jit amiga os
> available and its jit speed is 75% that of native. And amithlon beats it.
Doing WHAT? Running the distributed.net client for RC5? RC5 is *the* ideal case for a 68k-to-whatever JIT compiler --- its inner loop is extremely long. It doesn't contain *any* conditional instructions. *All* instructions in that loop operate on 32-bit sized operands. Of the many dozens of instructions, only *one* produces flags that ever get looked at (the comparison at the end).
Real life code is *very* different. Typical length of code before a branch instruction (or some other conditional instruction) is reached is 4-6 instructions. Unless you do *very* clever things (which will cost you in JIT compile time!), you cannot optimize away flag generation across such instructions. Furthermore, typical 68k code will happily use 8 and 16 bit values, write small sizes to a register and then read the same register at bigger sizes, and do lots of other things that will slow down JIT-ed code. So you will have to excuse me if I want to see some real-world application benchmarks, not some vague and unspecific claim in a PDF file. Oh, and as for Amithlon beating it --- I happen to know a bit about Amithlon, and I can tell you that a PPC should get closer to native for a number of reasons in at least non-flag-heavy code.
>As for the p96 version thingy, I think the authors of it would know :)
I agree. I apologize, I failed to introduce myself --- Name's Umisef, pleasure to meet you. In real life, I go by the name of "Bernd 'Bernie' Meyer", live in Melbourne, and have spent a lot of 2001 programming a small program you might be familiar with....
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Hello Bernie (beginer) :)
Yes you should know alot
more about amithlon than me :)
But the 75% figure came from the morph people
Thats would have to the best response I got
from you since all the email i sent you.
Alot of your terminology is meaningless to me.
I made my conclusions by using AMiGOD to make my
speed comparisons. :)
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My appologies :)
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I think I recall reading p96 3 on your previous
AMIthlon web site I have that backed up some
where but there is no point in taking this
discussion on any further.
Once again my appologies.
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You didn't see "p96 v3" mentioned on *my* website. It was (and still is) on H&P's www.amithlon.com (go to English->Products->Amithlon), but hey, if they want to add false advertising to the long list of things they have screwed up while handling Amithlon, that's their choice.
Of course, a certain individual often referred to as "Lord Voldemort" has ideas of his own --- according to him, he and he alone defines what "P96 v3" is or isn't, and he and he alone decides who does or doesn't get it. See http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1014129779&category=files&number=67 for some rather amusing reading.
But even given Lord Voldemort's view, you will notice that he talks about "doing" v3 work, not about "having done" that work --- in February 2002, fully 4 months *after* Amithlon was released. So --- no v3 in Amithlon, even if one agreed with Voldemort's weird views (which, I think I am at liberty to say, the _authors_ of P96 don't).
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@Lombi
Regarding P96 v3:
Yes, Amithlon was supposed to come with v3 of P96, but since that was never developed in time for the release date it was not included. Had it become available in the meantime, theoretically it would have meant a free upgrade for Amithlon users as they have already paid the license fee. However since v3 is not available anywhere...
A certain company responsible for publishing Amithlon didn't bother amending their packaging to reflect this (which is understandable) and then chose to make no mention of the change on their web site either (which is less forgivable).
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Umilator is the future, Amithlon is the past.
Like Captain Pickard says "Make it SO".
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Hehe!,.. we might be seeing each other in Melbourne/Australia as I am going to study there at Monash :)
Well.. I personally dont like Amithlon inisef itself, but that has nothing to do with my magazine. It writes about everything, but as I am myself I put AmiDelf as my signature to point that out.
You try to save Amiga, but then again. Its Amithlon everywhere! On Emule, On Edonkey2000, On Kaazaa and more... That also gets my nerves on Amithlon. It brings warez back to AmigaOS. And I hope you understand. Amithlon is a good product! But from my perspective. The program should be developed, but then again follow the "real" 68k programeerers for sure!
And the thing with you and H&P and you is just stupid too... You should write a book about it :) About it.. hehe
Well, take care.. and I will be visiting Melbourne Amiga usergroup from February next year...
Take Care..
Regards,
AmiDelf
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You, of all people, have the guts to complain about other people asking stupid questions about AmigaOS?
Considering all the stupid qeustions and assumptions _you_ have come up with over the years, I find this posting quite hilarious. Why you are using AmigaOS is beyond me, since you are obviously ignorant about basic concepts of AmigaOS and doesnt seem interested to learn either.
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Hehe!,.. we might be seeing each other in Melbourne/Australia as I am going to study there at Monash :)
There seems to be a lot of Amiga users at Monash ;-) ;-) .
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You try to save Amiga, but then again. Its Amithlon everywhere! On Emule, On Edonkey2000, On Kaazaa and more...
There's nothing I hate more than wading through those endless listings of Amithlon to get to my p0rn and mp3's......
But seriously.
Choices are good - options are good. Anything that makes using an Amiga a viable option for people is a good thing.
Anything that can introduce someone to an 'Amiga Environment' in a cheap and efficient manner is an equally good thing.
Today's tourist is tomorrows resident.
I recently mentioned on another thread that when circumstance forced me to use a 'clunker' of a system for a good many months, I rediscovered the Amiga by way of UAE.
With a bit of tinkering and tweaking I actually use it as my desktop environment (minimal Xwindows with fullscreen UAE - I had some problems compiling with SVGA, or I would have ditched X altogether).
It was a project that started in 'fun' and very quickly became 'functional'.
For the hardware I had available it was a very good alternative to any of the major X desktop environments.
Now I'm catching up on News about the new Amiga systems to see what's happening in the future.
My reaquaintance with the Amiga now has it heading my list of choices for my next home computer.
This wouldn't be the case otherwise - The storage box full of old Amiga hardware and software would still be in my brothers house in Australia collecting dust, instead of being shipped over to America (where I now live). Several hundred dollars in shareware fees would be in my (wifes) wallet - not winging it's way in the form of registration fees to several Amiga Developers.
Putting my money where my mouth is a small bit of support for the community as a whole. This wouldn't happen without access to these programs - so by defacto - they have helped support the community.
You don't think it's the 'right way' - that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But the next time you do anything less than boot a full version of Windows XP running on a PC to view a word doc, or a Mac to view a Quicktime movie, I want you to remember those words. Personally I prefer to use other alternatives if they are available - I prefer choice.. options.
You can love it, or hate it, it doesn't really matter because at that end of the day you don't have to use them. That's YOUR choice.
But these options are here to stay - and I think the community as a whole is better for their Author's contribution.
Cheers.
Siggy.
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AmiDelf is a great person and I give credit where it is due...but he is just one of many who hate alternatives to Amiga(TM) ... and I can respect that..
I personally will use whatever I feel is best and I hope others do the same.
@Siggy
I agree on all your points you made..
@umisef
I will be buying my copy of Umilator if/when it should come out!... keep us (the community) posted...some are very happy to hear any news about it you can tell us.