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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Effy on April 02, 2005, 06:54:53 PM
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This card on german Ebay (http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5181689944&fromMakeTrack=true) looks really impressive with its 256 Mb Ram :-o I guess that´s the maximum you can put on it :lol:
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There's absolutely no way I would say it could fit into a desktop A1200. At those speed it'll probably leave a big black burn mark on the desk - even if the A1200 is raised :-P
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Don´t know. Appearantly there seems to be only a heatsink on the 68040 and a little cooler on the PPC processor :-o
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What a hacked up BlizzardPPC card. :-o
That's a pretty big overclock for the poor 160Mhz 603e. He could have at least kept the original heatsink and placed a better fan on top of it.
Instead, he seems to have used a small-ish heatsink which is holding onto the 603e via adheseve thermal paste(I hope it's not glue). Since the 603e is extra-fragile, this surely means if you ever try to remove the heatsink...bye, bye 603e. :-(
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I´ve been watching this guy for quite a while on Ebay and he seems to be a good tuner as he sells such cards quite often and only gets positive feedback :-)
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Nevertheless the price seems a tad high to me, I mean...no SCSI.
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300+ euros for an 603/160 and 040 and NO SCSI?????
THIS IS MAD!!!
and the card is clocked ??????!!!
I wouldn't pay for that card including memory more than 150-160.
just don't forget its an abused! card.
These card are prety fragile I also had an oveclocked 603/160 at 224.5 and 040 at 33 an belive me ITS the EDGE clock for these processors and I had the PPC with a cooler from an AMD686!! REALY BIG.. If I stoped the PSU fan I had in front of ppc then I had about 10 minutes before crash .. How is it sopposed to work in such a small sink? if for some reason the fan of this card stops then I belive.. Good bye ppc...
040 is tougher and will not be burned but.. 40mhz is a sure bet for an unstable amiga no matter the cooling..
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Price is indeed not low but the dude includes 2 times 128 Mb and shipping in his price so I guess if he would sell it for 295 and charge 15 euro shipping for it then it would make no differnce :-?
Sorry, I take that back, he would have to pay less Ebay costs since Ebay charges only at the sold price and not at the shipping costs :lol:
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40mhz is a sure bet for an unstable amiga no matter the cooling..
I have to disagree on this one. I have a WarpEngine card, the 040 is clocked at 40 MHz, and the computer is rock solid. I would rather keep this machine powered on for weeks than my CSPPC equipped Amiga.
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The WarpEngine cards are ALL rock solid! some of the best cards ive come accross on Amiga so no wonder your happy with it :).
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OVERCLOCKED = I wouldn't buy it. My experience working in PC-land has taught me simply this: if you overclock, expect shorter product life, end of story.
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recently I bought this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5177264125) card from him. Now I'm waiting for it to arrive. I wonder if I need to replace the heatsinks. I'll put it in to a tower system anyway. does anyone know where he gets all these BPPC cards ? :-?
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Harlbro : I can understand why you don´t like overclocking when you come from PC´s as most of them have only a 10% overclocking capacity, but Amiga´s have always had a 30% or more overclocking capacity so making pc and Amiga equal is not really honest :-)
countzero : so you are the lucky one who bought that card ? I have also been bidding on that one but the price got too high for me. Seems like this card has not been overclocked so I wonder how much you could get out of it by having it tuned :lol:
x56h34 : I just remember that when I had my own BPPC fried (wrong memory modules) that when the technician removed the original black heatsink he suddenly got an astma attack because of all the dust that was under it :lol: And I have also read somewhere that this heatsink is actually a error in design because it attracks too much dust and shortens the life of the processor ... so I guess this might be a reason why he didn´t keep the original heatsink and put a normal cooler on it ...
Tuned cards will always have people that are against it and others that love it. It´s just like motorcycles that are tuned. It all depends on how the tuning is done and how you handle the tuned bike. Okay, it´s not really the same but I just used this as an example. When talking about pc´s then I would also like to have a tuned pc when it has extra cooling. If it runs faster with more cooling and a cheaper price then why not go for it :-o
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Tuning is a sort of customizing . I would never buy an already tuned motorcycle because I can never be sure about the quality of the tuning he made but I have tuned my by bike myself and I sure of what the pros and cons of this tuning.. also when you sell something you cann't add the tuning in the value because in the end you only get a ppc@160 and 040@25 and the price tag of 300+ is a price for ata LEAST 200Mhz PPC and for sure 060 and scsi!! donn't forget that from 040 to 060 there is a BIG gap not so big when weare speaking for ppc@160 and ppc@240.... and SCSI ?? the scsi that blizzardppc card "wear" If I could buy it seperatly I would pay for it more than 70e. Thats the reasons that this card is almost doubled price. also you can get 128MB simm from USA ebayers for lower than 20e a simm. I got 2x128MB for my ppc incuding p&p about 40e.. so from 150-160 this card had to be sold at 200-210 not forgeting the OC that has pushed the hardware a little bit to its end of life.. I prefer to buy an none tuched card like this for more than I would buy this "tuned".
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@Effy
those BPPC heatsink, was planned to fit in a standard A1200 case (i can't imagine how much has cost to P5!).
I've just installed a new heatsink/fan on my CSPPC and it works very, very good.
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cieffeeditingvideo/CSPPC/
Bye
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Framiga his pictures look nice :)
About the value of the card. I have followed auctions of PPC+060 and they seem to go over 350 euro or more, not for A4000 because that´s even far more ... not even to mention the shipping costs that are usually added later and which are here included in his price ...
As for tuned bikes, if you take for example a standard Yamaha 600 cc and compare it to a R6 racing machine, then this is a pure thing of tuning, not ?? One drives close to 200 km/h and the other one 260 km/h and may even share the same engine basicly ... my Vmax (or what is left of it) is also a heavy tuned version of the Yamaha Venture V4 of the early 80´ties ... but now, since Sunday evening, it looks a bit less powerful ...
http://users.pandora.be/DiscoVmax/Vmax_crash%20004.jpg (http://users.pandora.be/DiscoVmax/Vmax_crash%20004.jpg)
http://users.pandora.be/DiscoVmax/Vmax_crash%20005.jpg (http://users.pandora.be/DiscoVmax/Vmax_crash%20005.jpg)
but hea, I am still alive, even if I woke up in the hospital and now can hardly move around in the house :-)
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x56h34 : "if you mount a bigger and more powerful fan on top of the PPC heatsink (a VGA card type fan is perfect for this), you can disconnect the original PPC fan from its power source and have better much better cooling this way"
Now this is not something I know a lot of but let´s suggest you mount a BPPC in a tower and use a really big PC cooler with lights effects, would that work or is my fantasy putting me on a wrong track ???
like this Zalman cooler (without light) (http://www.besteprijzen.be/shop/products.php?action=showproductinfo&categoryid=6&productid=4054) ... would look neat eh ?! Of course you would need to cut a whole in the side of the tower case but who cares ?! :lol:
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@Effy:
It would cool the card down nicely, but it all depends of how practical it is to mount such a thing in your case. :-)
Anyway, here is a picture (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=962=10) of my totally cool BPPC card. :-)
It's an 060 @ 50Mhz with a 240Mhz 603e chip (no overclocking). The memory simms (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=963=10) are 128MB each and as you can see they are slightly taller than regular 32MB modules. I've placed extra cooling on everything. Even the SCSI chip. :-)
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Do you have any idea about how far you can overclock this fastest 603 ???
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@Effy:
I don't.
I wouldn't mess with an expensive and fragile card like BPPC. :-)
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Anyway, the card has been sold for 309 euro to a chap in the UK. I have asked the seller for details and got the following info that somehow makes sense ...
309 euro selling price
- 10,89 euro PayPal charges
- 19,75 euro Ebay charges
- 11,05 euro shipping from Germany to the UK
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268 euro for the seller ... still a nice amount of money but it´s far from the 309 euro that some people believe this guy would keep ... :-o
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Effy wrote:
Do you have any idea about how far you can overclock this fastest 603 ???
I actually belive this card can go up to 300Mhz end maybe some Mhz more But NOT with the original heatsing and some addons. you must remove the P5 heatsing and find a way to fit a bigger lets say from an AMD k6 and an adequate cooler.. Mine bppc is an 200Mhz chip and is running perfectly OK at 266 and I'm sure it can go to 280.. BUT I have an PSU fan blowing in the big heatsing .. If I turn out the fan I can work the PPC with full load (100%) up to 20mins before the crash visit me but then again the 68k will work OK.. maybe a little slower ...
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Another BPPC card from the same seller in Germany (http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=8142&item=5184244686&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW), this time a not-overclocked Blizzard PPC 603e/200 040/25 with 64 Mb Ram ..
"The card has 64 MB 50ns RAM and is in very good condition. None of the processors were overclocked (but the crystals are prepared for the overclocking and are soldered to quasi-sockets), the card works very stable and is 100% working.
I've tested the card also with G-Rex 1200 PCI busboard (incl. Voodoo 3 3000, Terratec 128 and 10 Mbit LAN), all cards were recognized without any problems and worked super!!!
The card can be used with towered and desktop Amigas, but in the second case the trapdoor must stay opened.
Together with the card you receive:
+ 64 MB 50ns SIMMs,
+ Software-CD (copy incl. DMS-images of floppy disk with drivers),
+ user's manual (copy, german)."
I asked the seller if he could overclock it and got the reply : "The card is in nice condition and could be overclocked to 270 MHz (PPC) and 33 or 40 MHz (040)" ... :-o