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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: chertel on March 17, 2005, 03:49:14 PM
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What ways are there to get files from a PC to an Amiga 2000?
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What sort of amiga 2000 ?
CD rom ?
FDD ?
Basic A2000?
Ethernet?
UAE HDD transfer?
There are a few ways...
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With the proper drivers loaded, all Amigas with a floppy drive should be able to read 720k MS-DOS diskettes. If you're running OS 2.1 or higher, there should be a PC0 device that can be double clicked in the "Storage\DosDrivers" directory to activate this.
If you have additonal accessories installed on the Amiga, such as a CD-ROM, ZIP disk, or HD 1.44 floppy drive, then these formats can also be recognized, once again with proper drivers.
:-D
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Install a scsi cdrom. This is probably the best way of doing things other than having a network card.
You'll probably need to get the driver to the amiga along with LHA and a few other utilities if you're not fully setup.
If you are running kickstart 2.1 you can mount 720Kb dos (fat) diskettes by using the PC0: device in the dos drivers drawer. This is probably the best way of getting started.
Another option is to get amiga explorer from amiga forever (transfers files over a null modem serial link).
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- Ethernet / Samba
- Ethernet / FTP
- USB sticks / flashcard readers
- CD-R/RW
- ZIP disks
- floppy disks
- HDD swapping
- serial cable with AmigaExplorer
- serial cable with terminal programs
- parallel cable with appropiate software
- sending files by e-mail to your mailbox and retrieving them with the Amiga
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Bye,
Thomas
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I've found that transfering through the PCMCIA port works really well. There's one on EBay now.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3543&item=8176028592&rd=1
There's also one that uses the serial port.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3544&item=8177988573&rd=1
Although I believe that the serial port can be quite slow.
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It is an Amiga 2000 HD, no CD, no NIC, only FD
Workbench 1.3
No Kickstart rom for UAE, or else I would try that.
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big fan of NComm and laplinks myself
last xfer took just under 3 minutes for 900k ADF
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Hi,
with an old Amiga with Kickstart 1.3 you cannot use such nice tools as PC2Amiga with a LapLink cable, but you can use a serial connection to transfer files between these computers.
If you want to write ADF-files to Amiga disks, you can use TransWarp or TransDisk on the Amiga and ADFSender at the (Windows-)PC.
If you own an old PC (486), you can use TWINExpress for a 115200 baud connection between a standard Amiga and a PC. This tool is also usefull between two Amigas, I have reached upto 190000 baud between two unenhanced A1000's !!
http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/comm/term/twin_11a.lha
To get the initial file (the transfertool) to your Amiga, you could start a simple terminal program on your PC and copy the file to the serial port connected to your Amiga and open a shell on the Amiga and type something like:
copy SER: to RAM:twin.lha
This way the file is copied to the Amigas RAM-disk.
Noster
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Noster wrote:
To get the initial file (the transfertool) to your Amiga, you could start a simple terminal program on your PC and copy the file to the serial port connected to your Amiga and open a shell on the Amiga and type something like:
copy SER: to RAM:twin.lha
This way the file is copied to the Amigas RAM-disk.
Noster
Has anyone tried this type of connection?
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Hi,
@chertel
> Has anyone tried this type of connection?
I have :-D
But I've used two Amigas (A3000T WB 3.9, A500 WB 1.2), the first one (server) with:
copy twin.lha to SER:
and the second (client) with:
copy SER: to RAM:twin.lha
It should also work with a PC as sender. Take care that you use identical settings for the serial port on both machines.
Noster
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I tried just now, only got connection timeouts
somehow I think there's missing details
and a write fault error writing to com1 on the PC
to avoid funky errors I say hyperterm to ncomm
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Hi,
@DethKnight
Have you the same settings for the serial port on both machines ?
Remember that you could use 19200 baud as maximum for the standard SER: of an Amiga.
Noster
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re: 19200 baud as maximum
I seem to get what appears to be 57600 using NComm
no funky errors
8-n-1 ZModemCRC
serial.device 5412 bytes
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Hi,
> I seem to get what appears to be 57600 using NComm
> no funky errors
with the standard serial.device ? Or are you using something like baudbandit.device with NComm ?
Noster
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@chertel
You could just email yourself an attachment from the PC &
then get the mail on the Amiga. This will work even if you
have only one email address.
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I have a similar situation:
I have an Amiga 1000 with dual 880K floppy drives (one external, one internal) and the following disks:
Kickstart 1.3
Workbench 1.3
Extras 1.3
2091 Install
2058 RAM Test
Workbench 2.05
Extras 2.05
Fonts 2.05
Install 2.05
I'm trying to get some games (Legally, of course) and have some ADF files on my PC How might I get them onto real Amiga disks without spending much money? (<$5) I am able to do small electronics projects/cables, and have good grasp of IBM DOS.
While I'm at it, I'm looking for a Kickstart 2.05 disk, anybody know where/how I might find one? I have two each of the last 4 disks listed and 4 of the RAM Test disks (All Original ***See EDIT below***), so I might be persuaded to trade my spare copy for the Kickstart 2.05 disk, or any newer Kickstart, Workbench or third party utility disks that are available.
I don't know if any of the disks I have are un-modified, but they have factory supplied Amiga labels on them.
The Extras 1.3 disks below are, unfortunately, modified.
See Basic on Extras 1.3 disk - Where? (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14751) and Re: Serial/Parallel Cable File Transfers (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14751) for more details
I also have two Extras 1.3 disks which means that I could also be convinced to trade one of them off for something I'm looking for too...
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@badalias
I think the only way to get Kickstart 2.04 on the A1000 was to buy a special ROM switcher that would let you use A500 Kickstart ROMs.
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SamuraiCrow:
As I understand it, (and I could be quite wrong here as I'm new to using Amigas) the A1000 ROM resides on the "Kickstart" disk.
I found a file (Forget what it was named) on aminet that requires ROM images that I don't have and makes a special Kickstart disk. (For dual booting, I think...) Anybody got copies of "KICK13.ROM" and "KICK31.ROM" and ADF files of the Workbench/Extras/Fonts/Etc for 3.1?
P.S.: I also have two Extras 1.3 disks which means that I could also be convinced to trade one of them off for something I'm lookinng for too...
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DETAILS!
I need details RE: Sending files via cable from my PC to my A1000 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14751). Specifically, the pinout of said cables, and second any/all details about the DOS commands neccessary to do this on both sides of the transfer.
***REMEMBER***
My A1000 has only Workbench 1.3 at the moment...
Also:
Please read my first post (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14751) about what I'm looking for, and what I will barter with...
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Noster:
Due to the questionable feedback, and my lack of organization, I posted my other post RE: Serial/Parallel Cable File Transfers (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14751) Waaayyyy down from here.
With an old Amiga with Kickstart 1.3 you cannot use such nice tools as PC2Amiga with a LapLink cable, but you can use a serial connection to transfer files between these computers.
So I've heard, Do you have more details, Perhaps a nice step-by-step for newbies???
If you want to write ADF-files to Amiga disks, you can use TransWarp or TransDisk on the Amiga and ADFSender at the (Windows-)PC.
What are these? Where do you get them? (How do I get the Amiga stuff onto Amiga Disks?)
If you own an old PC (486), you can use TWINExpress for a 115200 baud connection between a standard Amiga and a PC. This tool is also usefull between two Amigas, I have reached upto 190000 baud between two unenhanced A1000's !!
http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/comm/term/twin_11a.lha (http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/comm/term/twin_11a.lha)
To get the initial file (the transfertool) to your Amiga, you could start a simple terminal program on your PC and copy the file to the serial port connected to your Amiga and open a shell on the Amiga and type something like:
copy SER: to RAM:twin.lha
This way the file is copied to the Amigas RAM-disk.
More details *please*?
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Hi,
I have copied the section about the serial cable from the documentation of TwinExpress:
1.4 THE SERIAL CABLE
A null-modem cable connects the computers by their
serial ports. Such a cable can be bought in a computer store
or can be made from an eight-wire cable and two connectors.
The table below shows how the different signals are wired
along with the pinout in use with different types of
connectors (9 and 25 pins):
------ CONNECTOR 1 ----- ----- CONNECTOR 2 ------
DB25 DB9 SIGNAL SIGNAL DB9 DB25
07 05 GND <---> GND 05 07
02 03 TD <---> RD 02 03
03 02 RD <---> TD 03 02
05 08 CTS <---> RTS 07 04
04 07 RTS <---> CTS 08 05
06 06 DSR <---> DTR 04 20
20 04 DTR <---> DSR 06 06
Usually the serial port has a male connector. The cable should
therefore have two female connectors. However, it is safer to
verify this before you buy a cable...
(The format of the text is destroyed, as every additional blank is removed from the text :-()
Build this cable, and copy the transfer-tool (e.g. TransWarp can be found in Aminet) to the A1000 as I've mentioned earlier in this thread.
Noster
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Noster wrote:
Build this cable, and copy the transfer-tool (e.g. TransWarp can be found in Aminet) to the A1000 as I've mentioned earlier in this thread.
There were several posts about software problems, (timeouts, write errors, etc...) can you give sep-by-step for idiots like me?
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Hi,
> can you give step-by-step for idiots like me?
I think, I could, but to make such a step-by-step guide, I have to do it myself, so I don't forget any step :-)
This will require time, I think I could make that this evening, if you have the time to wait...(it is now 11:00am here in Germany).
Noster
EDIT: In the meantime you could build the cable :-D
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Hi,
and remember that the A1000 has a female serial connector instead of a male one!!! (pinout for a null-modem cable is identically)
Noster
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Yeah, thanks, I have a road trip today, and should have gone to bed several hours ago... It's 5AM here, and I've fried several things in the past due to lack of rest... Take your time, I'll be back some time this weekend for sure...
[color=ff0000]***Noster, you're incredible, THANKS FOR THE HELP!***[/color]
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I as well will be looking forward to a useful step by step.
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Hi,
Ok, shame on me, I was talking nonsense :-(
During testing for a step-by-step tutorial to copy a program usable to transfer files between an Amiga and a Windows-PC, I detected that it doesn't work as mentioned by me before.
The command "copy SER: to RAM:foo.bar" doesn't work on an Amiga :-(
I remembered, that I have copyied data (an ADF-file) from one Amiga to another one using a serial connection and the command "copy xyz.ADF to SER:" on the server and TransWarp on the client: This works!
However, I'm still searching for a way to copy the files required to make an easy connection between an unenhanced Amiga using Kickstart 1.2/1.3 and the according Workbench without any additional tools.
Maybe the command "Type" will make it in a form of "Type SER: To RAM:foo.bar".
This way the data of the serial port is transfered to the ramdisk into the file "foo.bar".
There are still some problems :-(:
1. The Type command only copies whole 512 byte blocks to the destination, the last bytes of the last transfered block are remaining in the serial buffer.
2. The Type command doesn't detect the end of the transfered file and remains waiting for more data.
3. The transfered data isn't completely identically ? I'm looking if this is the cause of failures during the transfer or a problem of Type, i.e. maybe Type doesn't types every character.
On the Windows-side you cannot use a terminal program, because these programs always use a kind of protocol (e.g. ZModem) and doesn't transfer the data "as is".
A way to transfer the data "as is" should be the (DOS) command "Copy". It is allowed to copy files to the devices LPT or COM1, COM2 in a form "Copy foo.bar COM1". This way the file should be copied "as is", I have to check this out also (there may have to be used the switches /A or /B with this command).
So I'm still on the run, there must be a way to get a file transfered via serial cable...
Noster
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Hi,
bad news, the Type command only works for ascii-files :-(
The characters with an ascii-value in the range from 8 to 13 are removed from the typed file (don't know if all or only some of them). These codes are used to reposition the cursor and therefor are ignored and not typed by Type.
@chertel + badalias
If you own the original Workbench disk, do you also own the Extras disk containing Amiga Basic?
I will write a small program that is able to read data from the serial port and write it to a destination file in Amiga Basic. Such a Basic program can be transfered to an Amiga and be written to disk using the Type command, because Amiga Basic programs are just simple text-files. So anybody that owns a Workbench (1.2/1.3) and the according Extras disk can transfer the Amiga Basic program to his Amiga and use that program to load a better program (e.g. a terminal program) to the Amiga.
I think it will take 2-3 days to write and test such a tool (currently I'm not fit in Amiga Basic any more, last time I used it was 15 years ago :-)). Are you interested?
Noster
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Noster wrote:
@chertel + badalias
If you own the original Workbench disk, do you also own the Extras disk containing Amiga Basic?
I will write a small program that is able to read data from the serial port and write it to a destination file in Amiga Basic. Such a Basic program can be transfered to an Amiga and be written to disk using the Type command, because Amiga Basic programs are just simple text-files. So anybody that owns a Workbench (1.2/1.3) and the according Extras disk can transfer the Amiga Basic program to his Amiga and use that program to load a better program (e.g. a terminal program) to the Amiga.
I think it will take 2-3 days to write and test such a tool (currently I'm not fit in Amiga Basic any more, last time I used it was 15 years ago :-)). Are you interested?
I think I have a copy of the disks mentioned, I am interested in the Amiga Basic program, let us all know when it's done. (Maybe even give us a listing in a separate post)
Thanks for the extra effort.
BadAlias
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Noster wrote:
@chertel + badalias
If you own the original Workbench disk, do you also own the Extras disk containing Amiga Basic?
I will write a small program that is able to read data from the serial port and write it to a destination file in Amiga Basic. Such a Basic program can be transfered to an Amiga and be written to disk using the Type command, because Amiga Basic programs are just simple text-files. So anybody that owns a Workbench (1.2/1.3) and the according Extras disk can transfer the Amiga Basic program to his Amiga and use that program to load a better program (e.g. a terminal program) to the Amiga.
I think it will take 2-3 days to write and test such a tool (currently I'm not fit in Amiga Basic any more, last time I used it was 15 years ago :-)). Are you interested?
I think I have a copy of the disks mentioned, I am interested in the Amiga Basic program, let us all know when it's done. (Maybe even give us a listing in a separate post)
Thanks for the extra effort.
BadAlias
Am I missing some files on my Extras 1.3 disk? I remember reading that you can see more files on amiga disks using Amiga DOS, but I have misplaced the only Amiga books I have in a recent move. (They were third party books, not the original amiga manuals.)
Anybody care to tutor me?
My Extras 1.3 disk looks like this:
Tools (Folder)
- EMacs (File)
- Fed (File)
- FreeMap (File)
- PerfMon (File)
- IconEd (File)
- KeyToy2000 (File)
- Palette (File)
- IconnMerge
PCUtil (Folder)
- PCCopy (File)
- PCFormat (File)
- ToPCCopy (File)
- ReadMe (File)
FD1.3 (Folder)
- BASIC FD files here! (File - Won't open!)
Fonts (Folder - Empty)
Devs (Folder - Empty)
Trashcan (Folder? - Empty)
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The PCUtil folder on my Extras 1.3 disk seems to have what I'd need to use 5.25" disks to transfer files to my Amiga using an Amiga 1020 drive. Could I convert my 1010 Dirve to a 1020 drive using a 5.25" 1.2Mb drive from a PC (For example from an old 286)?
BadAlias
Just posted something similar called 5.25" or 3.5" HD External Floppy Drive question (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14800) as it's more closely related to the topic there.
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Check out WarTrans - Warlock's Amiga Transfer Program (http://amiga.nvg.org/warlock/wartrans/), I just found it, but alas, I have no Amiga Basic on my Extras 1.3 disk.
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Hi,
that doesn't look like the original Extras disk. The disk seems to be changed and used for other tools, an Extra 1.3 disk should contain this:
Trashcan (dir)
t (dir)
BasicDemos (dir)
Tfiles (dir)
fd1.2 (dir)
.info
Amiga Tutor
Amiga Tutor.info
AmigaBasic
AmigaBASIC.info
BasicDemos.info
demo
demo.info
Disk.info
fractels
fractels.info
Terminal
Terminal.info
Tfiles.info
Trashcan.info
EDIT: By the way, reading my own post, I see the program Terminal in the list above. IS that a terminal program? I will check that (and look for my other Extras disk stored by my parents, maybe the disk listed above is also not an original one?).
> Could I convert my 1010 Dirve to a 1020 drive using a 5 1/4" 1.2Mb drive from a PC (For example from an old 286)?
That wont work. The first problem will be the different connector types of 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" drives and the second one the different pinout of the connectors. Most PC drives miss the required DiskChange signal and a few pins may have a different usage.
If you want to convert a PC-drive to an Amiga drive, check this:
http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/hard/hack/PCFloppy2Amiga.lha
It describes in detail how to rework a PC floppy to an Amiga floppy.
> Check out WarTrans - Warlock's Amiga Transfer Program, I just found it, but alas, I have no Amiga Basic on my Extras 1.3 disk.
Yeah, that is it !!! :-D
I stop developing my own little tool, WarTrans has everything we need, it is the tool we were searching for.
I will test it on my own today.
Noster
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EDIT: By the way, reading my own post, I see the program Terminal in the list above. IS that a terminal program?
Sort of, it will transfer ASCII files over a serial link but nothing else. Forget binary files - they get corrupted as they are not ascii. It doesn`t support any standard protocols either eg Kermit, XYZ Modem etc.
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Noster wrote:
that doesn't look like the original Extras disk. The disk seems to be changed and used for other tools, an Extra 1.3 disk should contain this...
Ok, I guess that my Extras 1.3 disk was modified before I got it. (Used computing strikes again!) Anybody willing to mail me a copy of their un-modified Extras 1.3 disk?
If so, e-mail me at mkingsmill@yahoo.com?subject=Extras 1.3 disk and I'll tell you where to send it.
Noster: Could you post a description showing which files belong in which folder?
Noster wrote:
BadAlias wrote:
Could I convert my 1010 Dirve to a 1020 drive using a 5.25" 1.2Mb drive from a PC (For example from an old 286)?
That wont work. The first problem will be the different connector types of 3.5" and 5.25" drives and the second one the different pinout of the connectors. Most PC drives miss the required DiskChange signal and a few pins may have a different usage.
If you want to convert a PC-drive to an Amiga drive, check this:
PCFloppy2Amiga.lha (http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/hard/hack/PCFloppy2Amiga.lha)
It describes in detail how to rework a PC floppy to an Amiga floppy.
Parts for PC computers are plentiful in my workshop. There is a ribbon cable for connecting the the drive to the 1010's PCB, I could just replace that cable with one with the correct connectors out of a PC. I have several of these, they are standard parts in the PC world... The power cable inside the 1010 is slightly more problematic as it is not standard PC (or Amiga) parts. I used a chunk of wiring off a PC-AT powersupply to give me the needed "small" connector on the PCB end, and the "big" connector for the drive.
I guess I only have to alter the drive to fit the Amiga standard. I already have several different LHA's from several different places like aminet (http://aminet.net/), or the Amiga Technical Resource (http://amiga.serveftp.net/) who has a ftp directory (http://ftp://amiga:tech@amiga.serveftp.net/Amiga_technical_resource/PCfloppyDrive-to-Amiga/) full of such files. They all describe various methods to alter PC drives to Amiga standards, but I'm starting to get a little dizzy reading them all. There seems to be several conflicting methods out there, and most of them are written for modifying a specific brand and/or model of drive. I'll need something more generic than the ones I've read already.
My big problem with the info in the stuff I've read is that it doesn't say it clearly enough when it's a file written for generic PC drives, and the ones written for specific models are (usually) good detail, but too specific to that model of drive.
BadAlias
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@BadAlias
Unlikely to happen I'm afraid. The hardware and design of floppy disk drives changes quite dramaticly from manufacturer to manufacturer. The reson why specific drives are mentioned in the conversion to AMIGA drives is that some IBM clone drives have the ability to do some extra things however they have been disabled by jumpers or not attached as the IBM didn't need to use these features.
So, it's just not possible to have a generic guide as the drives differ in the way they are built even using different controller chips and new designs would need to be made/discovered for each drive.
Some drives are just not compatible and have no way to be modified to work at all, then on the other hand, some have less features than others, you're just going to have to look at all the different designes and then decide on which one seems best or easiest to find. Some of the drive designs are quite old now and the drives are hard to find.
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SHADES wrote:
@BadAlias
Unlikely to happen I'm afraid. The hardware and design of floppy disk drives changes quite dramaticly from manufacturer to manufacturer. The reson why specific drives are mentioned in the conversion to AMIGA drives is that some IBM clone drives have the ability to do some extra things however they have been disabled by jumpers or not attached as the IBM didn't need to use these features.
So, it's just not possible to have a generic guide as the drives differ in the way they are built even using different controller chips and new designs would need to be made/discovered for each drive.
Some drives are just not compatible and have no way to be modified to work at all, then on the other hand, some have less features than others, you're just going to have to look at all the different designes and then decide on which one seems best or easiest to find. Some of the drive designs are quite old now and the drives are hard to find.
Although it is true that each drive's logic board and jumper options are different, the interface is the same. I am interested in what signals need modification on generic PC floppy drives because the files I've found are usually for upgrading from 880Kb to 1760Kb or just using a 3.5" PC flopppy drive as a cheap replacement Amiga 3.5" drive.
I'm gong the other way - I'm turning a 3.5" Amiga 880Kb drive into a 5.25" drive. The details I want are how to make something more generic. I suppose that my finished product (preferably an adaptor, not a logic board hack) would be similar to a Kylwalda (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=387).
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Ok...
Hows about the crazy idea of transfering files between an Amiga and a Comodore (Pet, C=64 or C=128)? Anybody have any ideas? If I succeed in hooking up the 5.25" drive, I may want to do this too. (Especially the Pet, as I don't have one, but I have old disks from one, and would like to be able to transfer the files to something else I can use.
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I have been looking around and found this (http://www.inet.hr/~dkuticic/hard01.htm) but the description is kinda confusing. Seems like exactly what I'm looking for - if I could follow their description better.
Then comes modifying the mountlist. I'm a newbie, and have books that could be useful, but cannot be found (they're lost amongst the stuff still packed since my latest move)
BadAlias
I have gone and rested my brain and come back at it from a new angle.
I think the page linked above means that:
For unit 0 (Is this for drives configured as unit 0 or to make DF0?)
Wire number: 02 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 34
- Re-wired to: 34 14 13 16 15 12 11 10 02
For unit 1
Wire number: 02 10 11 12 13 14 34
- Re-wired to: 34 12 13 14 11 10 02
Does this make sense to anybody? I tried the wiring for unit0 and hooked up the resulting cable to the PCB in my 1010 and did not even get a working drive when I used a PC 3.5" 1.44Mb floppy drive.
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Hi,
> Hows about the crazy idea of transfering files between an Amiga and a Comodore (Pet, C=64 or C=128)?
If you can get access to the required filesystem, you could read nearly any diskformat with an Amiga. There is CrossDos for accessing PC-disks for example and I know there were tools to access Atari and Mac disks (or does CrossDos support these diskformats too ?).
But I don't know if there is a filesystem available for C64 or Pet disks, even if there had been build 5 1/4" diskdrives for the Amiga (I own one) they are very unusual and therefore not very good supported.
I would start a quick search in Aminet for such a tool/filesystem.
A good (and expensive) solution would be the CatWeasel controller. With this controller in your PC you can access disks in nearly any available format.
Noster
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If anybody else wanted to know I contacted the author of this (http://www.inet.hr/~dkuticic/hard01.htm), here's the whole chain of Q&A via e-mail
--- Damir Kuticic wrote:
> not like that. unit0 and unit1 is connectors on the
> cable. If you prepared first, twisted connector you
> should use the unit0 changes otherwise use the unit1.
>
> --- BadAlias wrote:
> > Damir:
> >
> > Do you mean you cut off the connector for A: and
> > re-wired the B: connector, resulting in a cable that
> > gave you DF1? If not, could you give step-by-step for
> > idiots?
> >
> > Matt K.
> >
> > --- Damir Kuticic wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > > unit 0 is first device on cable (twisted), unit 1 is
> > > second device. I took standard pc cable for two
> > > units, then removed first connector and on the second
> > > I made adaption by unit1.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:38 AM
> > > Subject: PC FDD (1.44) to Amiga FDD (880)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- BadAlias wrote:
> > > > Damir:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to use your cable adaptation, is this
> > > > interpretation right?
> > > >
> > > > For unit 0
> > > > Wire number: 02 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 34
> > > > Re-wired to: 34 14 13 16 15 12 11 10 02
> > > >
> > > > For unit 1
> > > > Wire number: 02 10 11 12 13 14 34
> > > > Re-wired to: 34 12 13 14 11 10 02
> > > >
> > > > Where it says "For Unit 0" is this for drives
> > > > configured as unit 0 or to make the Amiga drive
> > > > DF0? Does it matter which end of the cable I
> > > > re-wire?
> > > >
> > > > Which connector on the cable should the drive be
> > > > on if I use this on a (PC) dual drive cable?
> > > >
> > > > Matt K.
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Noster wrote:
Hi,
BadAlias wrote:
Hows about the crazy idea of transfering files between an Amiga and a Comodore (Pet, C=64 or C=128)?
A good (and expensive) solution would be the CatWeasel controller. With this controller in your PC you can access disks in nearly any available format.
I wish I had the money for a catweasel. I wish I had the money for an A600HD. I wish I had money for a new PC. There's a lot of stuff that I wish I had money for
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McTrinsic wrote:
[...]
I don't have Amiga basic, some idiot deleted it from the floppies I have before I got them...
The cable is a no-sweat proposition, I'd have built it by now, but I can't use it...
As I said, you only need that cable and a Workbench disk. Unless something extremely weird has happened, you have the "type" command there.
Go to
http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c725/c72578/amiga/
and read it thoroughly.
Especially make sure you read
http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c725/c72578/amiga/adfsenderterminal/methods.html
From that point on, everything should work o.k.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
Supposedly it *can* be done...
I'll check this one out in the next week...
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Somebody else wanna try this? I got energetic, and tried, the Amiga doesn't seem to react quite the way it seems that it's supposed to, according to the FAQ (http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c725/c72578/amiga/adfsenderterminal/methods.html#A). It seems to get the file (if I open a second shell I can see the file using dir), but, says "object in use" if I try to copy it anywhere.
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Well I did it.
Its a hassle sometimes but works.
What you should do:
- read the links above
- make sure you end the transfer by both hitting Ctrl-C AND sending somethin again from the PC
- you should have one of the programs for the amiga for transferring disk images now in your RAM.
- copy it to your workbench disk, or make some bootable disk with it
- use the program to transfer any adf to your amiga disk
- it helps to have a working UAE installation. You can make disks with tools, bootdisks and the like and transfer them to the amiga.
and make sure your cable is correct. I think I remeber its not a stock serial nullmodem-cable, but I might be wrong.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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Thanks McTrinsic. :-)
I'm still having trouble...
I checked my cable's pinout (25 pin to 25 pin, homebuilt, with Cat3 cable for the wire, about 4' long...) it seemed to be right according to what Noster said (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14751) and what the transdisk website says (http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c725/c72578/amiga/adfsenderterminal/readme.txt) in part 3.
I'm following the steps in the FAQ (http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c725/c72578/amiga/adfsenderterminal/methods.html#A1) and when I get to the step where I + on the Amiga, things seem to not work from there on...
This is what I have in my shell window on the Amiga when I finish the step by step...
________________________________________________________________________________________
1.SYS:> type ser: to ram:transdisk
copy ram:transdisk to df0:c
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Hhhhmmmm....
ok, at that point you need to press Ctrl-C.
You DID initiate another transfer from the PC side as stated in the manual?
You should then get a prompt.
If not, make sure you use very slow and compatible transfer rates. Be patient with this beginning.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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McTrinsic wrote:
Hhhhmmmm....
ok, at that point you need to press Ctrl-C.
You DID initiate another transfer from the PC side as stated in the manual?
You should then get a prompt.
If not, make sure you use very slow and compatible transfer rates. Be patient with this beginning.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
I meant it when I said I followed the directions. Yes I pressed + (nothing happened) and then sent a second file to the Amiga...
I should get a prompt on which computer? There is a prompt on the PC that asks if I want to send another file, is that what you mean?
How's 9600? The files seem to zip right accross...
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Hi,
> Yes I pressed + (nothing happened).
You have to press +C at the Amiga (while the Cli is the active window)!
The time you initiate the second transfer, the text "***Break" should appear in the Cli of the Amiga and then a prompt should appear in the line below that immediately, waiting for new commands to be entered.
Noster
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Noster wrote:
Hi,
> Yes I pressed + (nothing happened).
You have to press +C at the Amiga (while the Cli is the active window)!
The time you initiate the second transfer, the text "***Break" should appear in the Cli of the Amiga and then a prompt should appear in the line below that immediately, waiting for new commands to be entered.
Noster
I did so on the Amiga in the "Shell" window. (Is there a difference between a "Shell" window and a "CLI" window?)Nothing happened on the Amiga after I initiated the second transfer from the PC.
BadAlias
P.S.: I finally found my Amiga books...
I have:
COMPUTE!'s First Book of Amiga (COMPUTE!, ISBN 0-87455-090-4)
COMPUTE!'s Amiga DOS Reference Guide (COMPUTE!, ISBN 0-87455-047-5)
Inside Amiga Graphics (COMPUTE!, ISBN 0-87455-040-8)
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Hi,
> Is there a difference between a "Shell" window and a "CLI" window?
A shell is a newer better CLI, so it supports a history and other features.
Open a second shell, transfer the first file, then enter the command "List RAM:" in the second shell. Which size has the transfered file ? If it is still 0 bytes large, I think your serial connection doesn't work at all. Check the settings ones more and test your cable again (if possible between two other computers -- e.g. serial connection between two Windows PC's).
In worst case your Amiga's serial port is dead :-(
Noster
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Noster wrote:
Hi,
> Is there a difference between a "Shell" window and a "CLI" window?
A shell is a newer better CLI, so it supports a history and other features.
Open a second shell, transfer the first file, then enter the command "List RAM:" in the second shell. Which size has the transfered file ? If it is still 0 bytes large, I think your serial connection doesn't work at all. Check the settings ones more and test your cable again (if possible between two other computers -- e.g. serial connection between two Windows PC's).
In worst case your Amiga's serial port is dead :-(
Noster
Below is my emulation of the "New CLI" window after following the directions in the FAQ and then the suggestion above... (" . . . ." is just empty spaces to make things line up...)
New CLI=====================================================
2> list ram:
transdisk . . . . . . . . .empty ----rwed Today . . 01:06:53
clipboards . . . . . . . . . Dir ----rwed Today . . 01:05:46
env . . . . . . . . . . . . .Dir ----rwed Today . . 01:05:46
t . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Dir ----rwed Today . . 01:05:45
1 file - 3 directories - 5 blocks used
2>info
Mounted disks:
Unit . . .Size . .Used . .Free Full Errs . Status . Name
DF1: . . .880K . . . 7 . .1751 . 0% . 0 .Read/Write Empty
RAM: . . . .2K . . . 5 . . . 0 100% . 0 .Read/Write RAM DISK
DF1: . . .880K . .1712 . . .46 .97% . 0 .Read/Write DOS
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Hi,
> transdisk . . . . . . . . .empty ----rwed Today . . 01:06:53
As I've thought, nothing reaches at the serial port of your Amiga :-(
Check your serial settings ones more, check your cable once more, try to use a lower baud rate...
Maybe this could help to test your connection:
http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/comm/misc/NullTest_10.lha
EDIT: Bad idea, how should you get this to your Amiga? :-(
Noster
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Noster:
The serial port settings matched, including the speed (a very reasonable 9600 baud) I checked the serial cable 3 times, and then, while I was out yesterday, I stopped at Princess Auto (http://princessauto.com) where I found a Interex Null Modem Adaptor for $0.21, and a JetEye InfraRed module for $9.99. The Null Modem adaptor was cheap enough, so I bought it. Lo & behold, when I tried it the transfer worked. I now have an ADF file transfering to an Amiga disk as I type! :-D
I must have had the wiring mirrored to the way it was supposed to have been.
My next hurdle is getting individual files (Eg. LHA files from aminet) onto the A1000.
BadAlias
P.S.: Is it possible to ennlarge my RAM: drive? How about transfering my Workbench files to it to reduce disk swapping? (I know the RAM: drive is exactly that, and it would have to be re-loaded each time the machine is booted.)
P.P.S.: Is anybody else having trouble getting this thread to display in threaded mode?
Noster wrote:
Check your serial settings ones more, check your cable once more, try to use a lower baud rate...
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Hi
@badalias
Congratulations to your working transfer :-)
> My next hurdle is getting individual files (Eg. LHA files from aminet) onto the A1000.
You should search for a terminal program for this purpose or better: If you own an older PC (486 or Pentium I) you should try to get TwinExpress, it is much faster than any terminal program (upto 115200 baud with an A1000, the PC is slowing down, the A1000 could go upto 190000 baud).
> Is it possible to ennlarge my RAM: drive?
Yes, buy more ram :-D
The RAM-disk itself is dynamic, i.e. it allocates the amount of system-memory, that is required to store the files you put into. If you delete files from the ram-disk, it shrinks and releases the unused memory.
> How about transfering my Workbench files to it to reduce disk swapping?
I don't know the size of your Amigas memory, but if you own a 2MB memory expansion as I do for my A1000, you could easily copy your Workbench disk to RAM: make the required assigns and you don't have to swap the disks again (and the Workbench is very fast).
> I know the RAM: drive is exactly that, and it would have to be re-loaded each time the machine is booted.
There is a better solution available for this: If you own Kickstart and Workbench 1.3 you could create a reset-resistant ram-disk! So you have to copy the files of the Workbench after the first system start (simular to the Kickstart) and than the system could be bootet from that ram-disk in high-speed :-), until you power-off the system or a very bad written program runs amok in your ram.
I search for my own disks, I've made this 15 years ago for my A1000. I'll post a how-to-do as soon as possible.
Noster
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badalias wrote:
P.S.: Is it possible to ennlarge my RAM: drive? How about transfering my Workbench files to it to reduce disk swapping? (I know the RAM: drive is exactly that, and it would have to be re-loaded each time the machine is booted.)
No need to. RAM: is always 100% full and expands and shrinks the moment the files inside are changed/deleted/whatever. As you might imagine, it doesn't get larger then your max free ram inside your Amiga (I'm happy with 128 MB fastram in my A1200). If you need a larger RAM:-drive, you need to add more memory to your Amiga...
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Noster wrote:
BadAlias wrote:
My next hurdle is getting individual files (Eg. LHA files from aminet) onto the A1000.
You should search for a terminal program for this purpose or better: If you own an older PC (486 or Pentium I) you should try to get TwinExpress, it is much faster than any terminal program (upto 115200 baud with an A1000, the PC is slowing down, the A1000 could go upto 190000 baud).
By older PC would you mean an IBM PC-XT? :lol:
I have a bunch of "older" computers, if I were more organized, I might be able to start another computer musem... :lol:
Seriously... I think 19200 baud is fast enough for now... I have TwinExpress, and will be trying it out later...
Noster wrote:
BadAlias wrote:
Is it possible to ennlarge my RAM: drive?
Yes, buy more ram :-D
The RAM-disk itself is dynamic, i.e. it allocates the amount of system-memory, that is required to store the files you put into. If you delete files from the ram-disk, it shrinks and releases the unused memory.
BadAlias wrote:
How about transfering my Workbench files to it to reduce disk swapping?
I don't know the size of your Amigas memory, but if you own a 2MB memory expansion as I do for my A1000, you could easily copy your Workbench disk to RAM: make the required assigns and you don't have to swap the disks again (and the Workbench is very fast).
I have the 256K front panel expansion, and a 4Mb expansion on the side slot... It has 30 pin SIPP RAM inside, I'm thinking of de-soldering the SIPP modules and putting in some 30 pin SIMM slots with bigger modules in it...
Noster wrote:
BadAlias wrote:
I know the RAM: drive is exactly that, and it would have to be re-loaded each time the machine is booted.
There is a better solution available for this: If you own Kickstart and Workbench 1.3 you could create a reset-resistant ram-disk! So you have to copy the files of the Workbench after the first system start (simular to the Kickstart) and than the system could be bootet from that ram-disk in high-speed :-), until you power-off the system or a very bad written program runs amok in your ram.
I search for my own disks, I've made this 15 years ago for my A1000. I'll post a how-to-do as soon as possible.
I'll be waiting for that one... :-)
BadAlias
P.S.: I found the Ancient Toys Amiga Abandonware Game Site (http://amigos.amiga.hu/ancientoys/archive.html) during a recent perusal of the internet... Lots of great games...
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Hi,
> I have the 256K front panel expansion, and a 4Mb expansion on the side slot...
> It has 30 pin SIPP RAM inside, I'm thinking of de-soldering the SIPP modules and
> putting in some 30 pin SIMM slots with bigger modules in it
DON'T DO THAT !!!!
If you are not absolutely shure that that will work, you shouldn't try it. There is some logic on the ram-expression usually with PAL's that match the used RAM. It wouldn't work with other RAMs!
Here is my little guide:
First of all: MAKE A COPY OF YOUR WORKBENCH DISK!!
Check if the file "ramdrive.device" is locate in the "devs" directory of your Workbench disk.
Have a look into the file "devs/mountlist" and search for an entry as follows (if it is not already part of your mountlist, add it):
/* This is an example of a mount list entry for using the recoverable
ram disk. Depending on the amount of memory you wish to devote to
it, you may want to change the HighCyl value.
*/
CARD: Device = ramdrive.device
Unit = 0
Flags = 0
Surfaces = 2
BlocksPerTrack = 11
Reserved = 2
Interleave = 0
LowCyl = 0 ; HighCyl = 82
Buffers = 5
BufMemType = 1
#
Create a copy of your "startup-sequence" and rename it to "card-start". Take an editor and change all accesses to "DF0:" into "SYS:".
Store the "card-start" file into the same directory as the "startup-sequence".
Copy the icon you want to be used as disk icon of your reset-resistant Workbench to "S:" (take care that it is a disk icon and is named "Disk.info").
Now insert the following commands into your "startup-sequence" (NOT into "card-start"):
ask "Create reset-resistant ram-disk (y/n)?"
if WARN
mount card:
ask "Copy Workbench to reset-resistant ram-disk (y/n)?"
if WARN
echo " working......."
copy df0: card: all quiet
card:c/delete card:s/startup-sequence
card:c/rename card:s/card-start card:s/startup-sequence
card:c/delete card:disk.info
card:c/Copy card:s/Disk.info card:
card:c/delete card:s/Disk.info
case:c/echo "*n"
card:c/ask "Please remove the Workbench disk and perform a reset."
endif
endif
Save these changes.
Now you can perform a reset and look what is happening...
Noster