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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: EDS.bod on March 01, 2003, 06:39:50 PM
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I'm now totally fed up and finally leaving the Amiga scene.
I've had an AmigaOneXE-G4 on order since 11/11/2002 and I for one won't deal with a company that takes this long to deliver an already outdated computer. Also, with all the rumours going round about OS4.0 not being ready until the end of 2003 (I don't want to use Linux!), I'm cancelling my order with Eyetech on Monday.
My A1200 tower got spilt up to get the cash to buy the A1 (sold the 4 way buffered ide interface, 68040 card, tower etc) and I even started to split up my CDTV package - so now I have no Amiga at all. I'm not prepared to spend a small fortune again building another A1200 tower.
So, I now have £600 to spend on a PC motherboard, processor and graphics card - AMD XP2700 and ATI 9700 pro here we come.
Suddenly, I see the light.
So long. :-)
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Take a rest, catch this opportunity to learn Linux, and then you'll come back in two years. Wanna bet ? ;-)
See ya
pX
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Don't forget to stop in sometimes to check up on things. I think we all have been at that point sometime or another. I also have a PC and Mac here, so choose what you need to get your computing done. Nobody will fault you for that.
But no matter how good my PC has it with compatablity on things, it never will have that special something that Amiga offers. Fun. We've all lost site of that in the last few years, but hopefully OS4 and the new AmigaOnes will be available before long. You can always save some more to buy another A1 board in the future.
Happy computing.
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Let me just say that the delays on the G4XE have been due to problems outside Eyetech's control. I think the boards are quite close now, though. As for OS4, I think the "end of 2003" rumour is based on nothing but guesswork (or possibly intentional FUD).
Anyway, it's your choice, and I don't think anyone will blame you for being fed up by now. I hope you will be happy with your new system.
Kay
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@EDS.bod
Sad to hear your leaving. But I have to admit that I can understand it too. I waited almost for a year to recieve my A1. And you can only run Linux on it. But for me it is different because that is what I love doing.
And you only want it for OS4. But no one can tell you when OS4 is ready. That is frustrating. I think it will at least take a few months. I might be wrong but since no one can tell me when it does arrive it seems wild guessing.
It's done when it is done and EDS.bod is done here, right? You really put such an effort in it to get the cash for it and now this. Sadly I cannot do anything for you but I think it is about time we get what we deserve for so long.
EDS.bod os one that is leaving but let's hope he is not one of many.
Coder
p.s. A pc? :-D
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hopefully i wont be in the same shoes 6 months down the line... or i will be amiga-less and have an iMac!
:-D
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Well, don't feel bad.
I was holding about 1200 US dollars back for the Amiga.
I finally broke about a week ago.
Ordered me some custom PC parts.
I'll be using Windows2000 pro as my OS. (which I also ordered)
If OS4 ever does come out, I'll buy it just to be supporting Hyperion.
But as far as buying AmigaOne, well...
That money is gone now.
But one thing I would never do...
That is to buy a Pegasos/MorphOS.
I would rather use windows 98 than to use MorphOS.
Maybe some other time Eyetech.
Good luck Amiga Inc.
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I think some developers already have G4 XEs. Anyone?
Allen Redhouse was in Taiwan this past week at the manufactures and should be returing with a few board. The rest supposedly shipped just after he left.
At least that's what I remember him posting about it before he left on his trip. Two day trip both ways, talk about jet lag.
Can anyone back me up or correct me? I'm not at my home computer so this is all off the top of my head.
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by Argo on 2003/3/1 22:08:05
I think some developers already have G4 XEs. Anyone?
Allen Redhouse was in Taiwan this past week at the manufactures and should be returing with a few board. The rest supposedly shipped just after he left.
At least that's what I remember him posting about it before he left on his trip. Two day trip both ways, talk about jet lag.
Can anyone back me up or correct me? I'm not at my home computer so this is all off the top of my head.
Well as far as I remember you're correct.
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Hmm, its a shame people are leaving - but its understandable. :-(
Yes, the G4XEs should be with the developers now.
AmigaOS 4.0 for AmigaOne release date ?
I firmly think that it will be done for MAY/JUNE 03.
(just a personal guess though)
it ain't bad a few months or so :-)
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"Suddenly, I see the light."
Suddenly? .. wow.. took you quite a long time. I gave up hope last november... and it's been about four months now, still no progress. Why don't you go for Pegasos like I did ..? haven't received mine yes, but ffs, its much closer than a1, let alone os4.
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Yup.... But a nice Asus Socket A MoBo is even closer !!
nForce2 chipset or Via
Decisions.. Decisions.
I've been looking at one of these Mobos for my Daughters machine..
(http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P0043409_C0000014_P0000000.jpg)
Soltek SL-75FRV KT400 DDR400 AGP 8x
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by Hooligan_DCS on 2003/3/1 21:34:06
"Suddenly, I see the light."
Suddenly? .. wow.. took you quite a long time. I gave up hope last november... and it's been about four months now, still no progress. Why don't you go for Pegasos like I did ..? haven't received mine yes, but ffs, its much closer than a1, let alone os4.
I knew a MOS fan would not fail to do exactly what you have just done.
If he wanted to go for Pegasos/MOS i think he has been around long enough to do so with out you needing to tell him.
He's not a newbie you know.
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(I don't want to use Linux!)
i really cant understand why some people refuse to use linux
its fair enough to be angry about a delayed product, but if you do happen to get the hardware early, whats wrong with linux?
???
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I knew a MOS fan would not fail to do exactly what you have just done.
If he wanted to go for Pegasos/MOS i think he has been around long enough to do so with out you needing to tell him.
He's not a newbie you know.
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Can ask you a simple question? How can I be a "MOS fan" when I don't even have Pegasos or MorphOS?
You're barking at the wrong tree now, go pick someone whose been on MOS/Pegasos side for a lot longer. My comment was just intended for a friendly suggestion, nothing more.
And if you are referring to my avatar, well, to be honest: its not made by me
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Spending £600 on a PC is a waste of money, and it will be totally worthless in a year. You should be able to get a usable one for half that price.
Even better, you could get stuff for your PC that you could use on your A1 and toss that PC motherboard out when your A1 comes. :-)
I don't blame you for disliking Linux. It really is a load of old rubbish.
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Can ask you a simple question? How can I be a "MOS fan" when I don't even have Pegasos or MorphOS?
You're barking at the wrong tree now, go pick someone whose been on MOS/Pegasos side for a lot longer. My comment was just intended for a friendly suggestion, nothing more.
And if you are referring to my avatar, well, to be honest: its not made by me
Your comments belows says you are.
The Avatar not beeing made by you makes no differnce.
You chose it .
Suddenly? .. wow.. took you quite a long time. I gave up hope last november... and it's been about four months now, still no progress. Why don't you go for Pegasos like I did ..? haven't received mine yes, but ffs, its much closer than a1, let alone os4.
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Baby, darling, Alkemyst. I have no side.. I have highest respect for Hyperion and Eyetech (as you may have seen if you read ann.lu)
Don't speak something you clearly don't know of. I am Amiga user since -87, amiga.org poster since last friday. You possibly can't know how I feel, or how I think.
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Baby, darling, Alkemyst. I have no side.. I have highest respect for Hyperion and Eyetech (as you may have seen if you read ann.lu)
Don't speak something you clearly don't know of. I am Amiga user since -87, amiga.org poster since last friday. You possibly can't know how I feel, or how I think.
How you feel & think is not the point.
Your comments are what counts cos thats all ppl see here.
Oh yes i have seen your comments on Ann & they clearly do show what side your on.
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As you towarded all these blames against me, I think its more than relevant how I feel or think.
You don't seem to realise that I *AM NOT* on anyones side, or wish bad for Eyetech/Hyperion/Amiga eventhough I got fed up of waiting. Maybe lately I have posted more positive for MOS/Pegasos but you can't be so blind not seeing why, can you?
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As you towarded all these blames against me, I think its more than relevant how I feel or think.
If your feeling is relevent to your post then you should make your it comes through in your post in the first place.
You don't seem to realise that I *AM NOT* on anyones side, or wish bad for Eyetech/Hyperion/Amiga eventhough I got fed up of waiting. Maybe lately I have posted more positive for MOS/Pegasos but you can't be so blind not seeing why, can you?
I understand But you should not bash for the sake of bashing cos you can.
Likt the Amiga.inc T-Shirt thing that is going around atm.
Im not happy about the TShirt thing but i dont go on & on about it.
You came across as door to door salesman who got wind of me wanting to switch from gas to electric but you stepted in to tried to get me to turn to coal even tho i had already made up my mind.
Anyway i will not continue with this now off topic debate
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EDS.bod wrote:
I'm now totally fed up and finally leaving the Amiga scene.
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Suddenly, I see the light.
So long. :-)
LOL!
That's what I said in 1998 when I abandoned my A1200 in favour of a 166MHz PC. After numerous other PC upgrades and purchases, I actually felt quite bored with my PEECEEs. So in late 2002 I pulled my old 14mhz A1200 and haven't looked back. Since then I have upgraded to an 040, purchased am old A2000, I justpurchased an A4000D which I should have by tomorrow. Of course to fund these purchases I sold two of three PCs that were in this house (of course I kept the most powerful PC ;-) ).
Believe me, in two to three years max you'll be back
:-).
Cheers
:pint: :pint: :pint:
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@EDS.bod
You will be back in one form or another, If you like Amiga software but hate bullshit promises from Amiga companies then just get a x86 machine bang Amithlon on it and use that and get the best of all worlds :-)
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
@EDS.bod
You will be back in one form or another, If you like Amiga software but hate bullshit promises from Amiga companies then just get a x86 machine bang Amithlon on it and use that and get the best of all worlds :-)
I would like to get AMithlon, if only to use it on my machine at Uni ;-) . But with all the problems, should I?
By the way, does Bernie go to Monash University in Melbourne?
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I would like to get AMithlon, if only to use it on my machine at Uni . But with all the problems, should I?
If you mean purchasing it from Haage & Partner then i would say no but if you downloaded it and then send payment to Meyer then go for it.
Product wise Amithlon is great and i would highly recommend it but i will never recommend Haage & Partner.
By the way, does Bernie go to Monash University in Melbourne?
I have no idea.
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Just to clarify a few things:-
I started out in the Amiga scene with a CDTV multimedia pack and stuck with it for four years. If that's not dedication, then I don't know what is!
Also, I've now sold *ALL* my classic Amiga gear and I don't want to spend that money again building it back up. I bought Shogun:Total War for my fiance's mum and dad's PC and that made me realise how far behind the Amiga is in the game stakes.
And regarding Linux, I've just completed a beginners course for Linux at work and I still don't understand it! I want to use Amiga OS but I can't. I also need my own machine to program on instead of sharing a machine with the rest of the family. The deadline I set myself to buy a new machine was 01/03/03. That is today and it was due to be the A1. So on Monday, I'm going to buy PC gear. That will swallow all the money that I had set aside for the A1. As I'm getting married in August, I wont have any money to buy an A1, regardless of whether the A1 and OS4 is a success or not. I wont be able to have anything to do with it.
I hope it all takes off and you guys become the top of the computing tree, but I wont be there with you.
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@hooligan
Don't waste your time on someone like Alkemyst. He's so lost from reality, there is no way any reasonable logic could get thru. You have just seen what kind of people they are. Better let him to be in his illusionary world and to concentrate makig real difference on real world. :-P
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You have just seen what kind of people they are.
They are? i assume you mean people in favour of OS4, blind followers is prolly the term you wanted to use.
Lets be realistic JoannaK, you have a deep hate for anything Amiga.inc or Hyperion, anything they have to say, you will put your own spin on it, it really is getting alittle repetitive.
Why don't you sort it out with an email to those parties involved so we don't have to listen to it so much.
Theres one thing to have constructive criticism, its nice to see, but its another thing just to troll wherever possible.
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@Bodie
By the way, does Bernie go to Monash University in Melbourne?
Yes, as does his girlfriend.
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@EDS.bod
windsorrows is a pain of broken glass where every crack you fix lets the next weakest one become your Albatross. Enjoy!
Amiga! Leave at your own peril!
P.S. Did that make any sense at all?
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@EDS.bod:
its sad that you are leaving but i understand it also in a way, but in 2000/1 alot of people left and sold their gear etc , they are wanting to go back to amiga now...
he problem u have with that you sold all your equipment, damn... thats like really sad.. you sold it just so that you had money to buy os4/a1 on the release date... i am glad i never even thinked of dooing that (for my own hw).
For going the linux way... linux is crap..., when u can run it...it might be ok after u tried it alot ..but running it as main os....forget that :)
you have 1 single option left and that is the morphos/*pegasos way , which we all know is in beta and the hw is from the DCE plant ...
need i tell more?..
i think u will regret buying a pc and i think you will regret buying an pegasos (eventually atleast (when there is a hw problem etc...)
and for the a1, there is no aos on it.... i have ordered one...but i wont use it if os4 is not out... as linux aint for me...
history will repeat itself...
good luck!!
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Well, I ordered my PC gear today - Gigabyte GA-7VAXP motherboard, AMD XP2400+ processor, two 512mb PC2100 DDR modules and an ATi Radeon 9700 card all for the princely sum of £540.
I for once hope that the A1XE-G4's aren't sent out tommorrow, at least not until I've cancelled my order with Eyetech.
I hope to see you all again in a couple of years ;-)
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Hehe, I never left. But I understand why broken promises would leave many disillusioned and betrayed. Anyway, I'm not really commiting to anything. I am simply watching from a distance, and always open to an Amiga resurgence.
Of course, when that may be is anyones guess. Maybe at this rate, my grandchildren will be running OS4 one day. lol!
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Oh, how I love diging up old threads from the past :-)
Well, as some of you suggested, I'm back! Actually I never really left, I've been checking Aorg every week :-)
Currently enjoying playing around with Amiga emulators - even have OS3.9 running on my HTC Kaiser PDA with PocetUAE - not incredibly fast but still fun.
So, I'm now in a much better financial situation so I'm hunting around for anyone selling any kind of A! so I can play with OS4.
See you all later :-)
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Good to see people returning to the scene.
(Or at least starting to post again ;-) )
I'm curious about your nick.
What does it mean or where does it come from?
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EDS is an IT company. They mostly provide outsourced solutions to a wide variety of companies and government departments (in England anyway)
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moto
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EDS was in Australia as well but they mainly did banks...
Almost worked for them but got a better offer elsewhere. :lol:
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EDS = Electronic Data Systems.
Founded by H. Ross Perot, the one-time "spoiler" US presidential candidate famous for maladroit language abilities - not unlike the current White House occupant; the difference being that Ross Perot is actually intelligent. btw, "H. Ross Perot" is an anagram for "Short Poser". :)
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EDS.bod --
You'll be fighting against me for the damn OS4 machine. :)
I sold my Micro last summer when I got a good-but-cheap used PC (and so I could pay the rent -- my company screwed up my wife's payroll, and together we didn't have enough to make the rent payment) and thought I wouldn't look back...then I tried AmiKit and really, REALLY started missing OS4.
And now that my wife and I are both gainfully employed again, I'm going to look for an A1 again....
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Hmm, I thought the nick might be something to do with them.
I sort of thought perhaps not though, as I wouldn't admit to working for them.
A mate of mine was told that if you applying for a job in that industry and EDS is on your CV, it counts against you.
Don' know how true that is.
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They have a reputation for paying lower than average salaries and very aggressive management. Think Walmart of IT.
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At one time EDS had a rep for being a strait-laced outfit. Even going so far as to controlling their employee's conduct after hours. I was a field engineer supporting GM's computers at the time EDS took over GM's data processing department. Several people made the choice to go back to the plant rather than become EDS employees. I think it was more motivated by financial (pension) reasons than anything.
After a stint as an Amiga dealer I got a job as a contract employee at EDS. They seemed to have mellowed a bit over the years. ;-) You couldn't find a better bunch of folk to work with.
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Yep I work for EDS as a programmer/web designer/system support and have done for 10 years.
No idea why I should be embarrased about working for EDS - nice area I work in ans I certainly don't consider my wages to be below market average - hence why I'm ready to sepnd some money on some new Amiga gear :-) having said that, I didn't go into EDS directly - I worked for the government IT department - ITSA - and we were privatised (outsourced) to EDS in 2000 - maybe that's why it's a nice area to work in - most of the staff here are essentially civil servants.
Also, if working for EDS is bad for your CV, somebody need to tell the three companies this year that have tried to paoch me. Although how they think they can poach me by offering me a lower salary and a greater commute to work is beyond me :-?
I'll post some video soon of OS3.9 running on my HTC Kaiser :-)
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I wouldnt work for 'em. not with my face fungus, and dislike of ties* !
*The ones that get in the way and get snarled in fans when you're poring over an open computer case.
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Lol - not worn a tie to work since my interview!
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EDS.bod wrote:
Well, as some of you suggested, I'm back!
Turncoat. :lol: ;-)
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woop - double post ;-)
I dunno, I'm an IT expert but still can't use the forums properly!
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The front line staff I used to work with in EDS were a good bunch.
From what I can gather, the problems stemmed from further up the food chain.
So in that respect, probably not that much different to most other companies.
I was also under the impression that EDS staff weren't paid as quite as much as their counterparts in other companies.
Although how anyone know that is a mystery a I'm told EDS staff are not allowed to talk about their saleries and could face dismissal if they do.
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I was also under the impression that EDS staff weren't paid as quite as much as their counterparts in other companies.
Although how anyone know that is a mystery a I'm told EDS staff are not allowed to talk about their saleries and could face dismissal if they do.
Both are a myth.
Lower salaries might have been an issue in the past but EDS have long since got fed up with staff being poached that were probably now slightly ahead of the competition. In fact, all offers by other companies for me to work for them have all been at a lower salary!
Salary discussion is a part of the Performance Appraisal process and it's actively encouraged to know what those around you are rewarded for the work they do.
However, EDS in America are effectively a TOTALLY different company - US workers are protected in the same way UK workers aren't and the work ethos is totally different. Same with EDS in India.
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I'm told EDS staff are not allowed to talk about their saleries and could face dismissal if they do.
That's a pretty standard policy at many US companies, mine too.
And welcome back to posting ESD.bod. It must have been hard to resist all this time. :-)
Plaz
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The not allowed to talk about pay bit came from an EDS employee.
But that was probably four or five years ago now so may just be out of date info.
The discussion arose because he found a payslip from one of our staff and was very concerned.
Wasn't an issue for us though as pay is dictated by grade and the scales are published for all to see.