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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: redrumloa on February 24, 2005, 04:11:56 PM

Title: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: redrumloa on February 24, 2005, 04:11:56 PM
It's really hit big-time, it has made Tom's Hardware (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/200502191/index.html).

Amazing, too bad Jeri isn't getting rich on this wild success.

BTW QTV doesn't have exclusive rights any longer. Reports are coming in that these are now available in many Kaybee toy stores.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: x56h34 on February 24, 2005, 04:27:12 PM
And Prometheus couldn't do it either. :-P
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: itix on February 24, 2005, 04:33:04 PM
It is very cool :-) Must have one if it is availble here in Europe too...
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: BenShep on February 24, 2005, 04:45:54 PM
This one looks very cool indeed - wonder if the price is going to come down?  Tomshardware was talking about $9.99 on ebay, hopefully it'd come down to that level new?

40 bucks USD is a bit of a stretch for a toy.  I would love to get ahold of one of these but I'm in Australia - but I suspect shipping would be the killer however :(

Ah well, always got the real thing to tinker with I guess.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: FluffyMcDeath on February 24, 2005, 04:50:19 PM
Oooh. That looks like a nice little unit to hack.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: redrumloa on February 24, 2005, 04:52:13 PM
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x56h34 wrote:
And Prometheus couldn't do it either. :-P


Nope and certainly not the Mediator :-P
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: BenShep on February 24, 2005, 04:55:13 PM
http://home.wanadoo.nl/richard.lagendijk/Html%20pagina/COMP-C64-DTV-H1.html

already been done - you can add a keyboard, 1541, etc to it.

The guy in the link above made an expansion that crammed everything into a 1541-II case.

I suspect it's just the tip of the iceberg - fun times ahead.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Hattig on February 24, 2005, 05:02:54 PM
:) take it apart, solder on a PS2 port and you can attach a PS2 keyboard!  You can also attach a C64 disk drive if you do some more soldering. It is literally an entire C64, and all the old outputs are available on the PCB. You probably could stick the PCB inside a (chunky) PS2 keyboard, put some ports on the back of the keyboard and have something that is literally like a C64 of old.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: adolescent on February 24, 2005, 05:03:13 PM
They're $15 at Kaybee, but there was a deal where you could buy 2 for $20.  A lot less than the 47 I paid for my pair but that's okay.  I'm still looking for a suitable project box to put this thing in.  I already have the parts for the PS/2 adapter and IEC ports.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: x56h34 on February 24, 2005, 05:06:05 PM
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redrumloa wrote:

Nope and certainly not the Mediator :-P


Just wait until Shark comes out... :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: BenShep on February 25, 2005, 02:51:55 AM
Any chance of someone getting a set of two for me and posting them over to Australia? Happy to kick in a few dollars for your trouble.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: mindprober on February 25, 2005, 02:53:37 AM
Aside from QVC, are there any other online retailers that are selling them?
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Housey on February 25, 2005, 03:15:09 AM
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I won't show you this one but if you load "1337" you get another image. :)


OK, whats that??  :-D
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Jope on February 25, 2005, 11:14:36 AM
The little birds have sung, that there will be a PAL version soon..

Joy! I'll be sure to get one then.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: redrumloa on February 25, 2005, 11:35:04 AM
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BenShep wrote:
Any chance of someone getting a set of two for me and posting them over to Australia? Happy to kick in a few dollars for your trouble.


As a matter of fact I bought 6 from QVC when they first came out. I'd be willing to sell 2 new, unopened C64DTVs at my cost. They are the QVC version not the Kaybee toy version, so the cost would be the QVC cost and not the current Kaybee cost.

Let me know.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: cartmanau on February 25, 2005, 11:47:20 AM
Looks like an awesome little unit. I might have to grab one when we see them here in Australia.

As for the fella with the shipping concern to Australia - shipping would probably cost USD20. Shipping to AU is OK, Shipping from AU is expensive.

Still USD20 postage on a $20 item :(
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: BenShep on February 25, 2005, 11:55:27 PM
redrumloa: Yeah thanks but the 10 USD pricing each was more what I was after.  

USD 20 seems a bit much as they weigh 250g each. Even putting it at 750g brings it up to $14USD shipping.

So what I was looking at paying was 20 for the two items, 5 for someone's effort + 14 for shipping (it probably would only cost 10USD if under 500g) = 39 all up.

But yeah I suppose I can wait a little bit anyway - pal version is probably less hassle.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: amigakit on February 26, 2005, 01:41:21 AM
The Commodore C64 DTV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/commodore-dtv.php) looks very exciting unit, PAL launch will be April 2005 in the UK.

Now wouldn't it be really good if Amiga Inc licenced an A1200 in as a driect to tv device?

That would really kickstart the Amiga market- plenty of interest in retro devices at the moment.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Trooper on February 26, 2005, 01:52:21 AM
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amigakit wrote:
The Commodore C64 DTV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/commodore-dtv.php) looks very exciting unit, PAL launch will be April 2005 in the UK.

Now wouldn't it be really good if Amiga Inc licenced an A1200 in as a driect to tv device?

That would really kickstart the Amiga market- plenty of interest in retro devices at the moment.


That would be cool, Even an A500 in a joystick/pad would kick ass. A500DTV yay. :-D

Trooper
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Darrin on February 26, 2005, 03:50:38 AM
I bought one of these things from QVC for my kids.  Oh, OK, I bought it for me really, but my kids love it.

I feel there could easily be a market for a more advanced version of the C64DTV where it is placed in a small box with a keyboard, two joystick ports and a flash card slot so that it could be used as a "real" C64 and other programs could be loaded from the card.  An additional expansion slot where a module enabling "real" C64 or modern drives to be connected could also be useful.

It would interest people who want more than what the C64DTV has to offer, but who don't want to piddle around building a CommdoreOne.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: cartmanau on February 26, 2005, 04:27:41 AM
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BenShep wrote:
redrumloa: Yeah thanks but the 10 USD pricing each was more what I was after.  

USD 20 seems a bit much as they weigh 250g each. Even putting it at 750g brings it up to $14USD shipping.

So what I was looking at paying was 20 for the two items, 5 for someone's effort + 14 for shipping (it probably would only cost 10USD if under 500g) = 39 all up.

But yeah I suppose I can wait a little bit anyway - pal version is probably less hassle.


I did say probably. That isnt a firm quote. Obviously my estimate isnt too bad, not like I am $10 or more out.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: cartmanau on February 26, 2005, 04:32:09 AM
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amigakit wrote:
That would really kickstart the Amiga market- plenty of interest in retro devices at the moment.


The A1200 can already be a direct to TV device if it wants to be :)

I agree something inexpensive like the C64DTV would be a goodway to kick the Amiga in the guts again. The problem with most Amiga bits is they are very expensive (look at accelerators and add-ons).
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: JKD on February 26, 2005, 08:41:58 AM
I've never been into the C64...but that is awesome...how the heck is it so cheap????

I remember being blown away by Jeri's demos at Amiwest and (obligatory sexist joke) I was occasionally looking at the C-One.

More power to them - by the way, who are the other team members on the Easter Egg picture?


Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: cartmanau on February 26, 2005, 08:59:54 AM
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JKD wrote:
I've never been into the C64...but that is awesome...how the heck is it so cheap????


Because it uses cheap and common components.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Karlos on February 26, 2005, 12:34:02 PM
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amigakit wrote:
The Commodore C64 DTV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/commodore-dtv.php) looks very exciting unit, PAL launch will be April 2005 in the UK.

Now wouldn't it be really good if Amiga Inc licenced an A1200 in as a driect to tv device?

That would really kickstart the Amiga market- plenty of interest in retro devices at the moment.


I thought the world was fresh out of AGA chipsets and stuff?
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: amigakit on February 26, 2005, 01:33:21 PM
If a device like this was released for Amiga- it would swell the userbase of Amiga owners once more.  It would reignite interest in the Amiga and boost sales for us retailers.

Someone would have to come up with the Amiga chipset on a chip or maybe a minature UAE computer.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: redrumloa on February 26, 2005, 01:50:11 PM
The C64DTV has also made Micro Mart (http://www.micromart.co.uk/content/reviews/default.asp?Category=Article&Type=&ID=2090).

It's everyehere, definately a roaring success.
Title: Re: Amiga1 couldn't do it, PegasosI/II couldn't do it, but the C64DTV did do it.
Post by: Karlos on February 26, 2005, 02:05:54 PM
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amigakit wrote:
If a device like this was released for Amiga- it would swell the userbase of Amiga owners once more.  It would reignite interest in the Amiga and boost sales for us retailers.


Fair point. That said, the amiga already is a DTV device :-) I know what you mean though...

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Someone would have to come up with the Amiga chipset on a chip or maybe a minature UAE computer.


I've often wondered about the boxer style approach of using some FPGAs. I don't see it as a trivial task with the available information though. If it were done, I'd like to see  a little more horespower though, specifically in the memory interface (that Access Amiga Clone thing had much faster chip ram access than any other amiga machine) and preferably a faster CPU, even if it were only an 030.