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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Tahoe on February 10, 2005, 12:13:53 PM
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Hope someone can help me out but I am having lots of troubles with my Picasso II+ in my current config.
My config is like this:
Amiga 1200 rev 2B mainboard
Elbox Tower
Winner ZIV board
Mediator ZIV
Picasso II+
Internal DCE FF/SD (linked through Picasso II)
Blizzard 1230IV
First I had real trouble getting the card recognised as 2 boards in the early startup menu. First I tried only the ZIV board with the Picasso. Only one board was found (+ the blizzard).
Connecting the Mediator and fiddling with the jumpers (now set at 4MB High) it finds 2 boards, ID 11 and 12 if I remember correctly. (+blizzard +mediator?)
Installed OS3.9 (used to run this trouble free). Installed Picasso96 and on startup it guru's.
Reinstalled 3.9 and it works fine until I install Picasso96 again.
Tried CGFX (the one bundled with OS3.9). It sees the card, I can select a screenmode but when I boot the AGA output goes blank but the Picasso doesn't come up, my screen just stays black. My monitor says it gets a 50Hz vertical sync signal but no horizontal sync?? Switched the 2 jumpers on the Picasso for support on the EnergyStar and BNC connectors (the picasso is on my second VGA port which is BNC)
This is really driving me nuts. Will probably this evening try to install 3.1 with the old bundled Picasso software to see if the hardware works... Any thoughts guys?
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for me, the OS3.9 romupdate caused problems... I solved it using SETPATCH SKIPROMUPDATES QUIET
try to make 2 reboots... reboot after the romupdate does it's own...
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Hi Tahoe
maybe you alredy know this but . . .
When you switch from CGX to P96 (or viceversa for testing porposes or such), remember to remove always the libraries of the other RTG system.
i.e if you will install P96 again, remove cgxsystem.library or you will not be able to boot your system
Another point: IF you will install OS3.9BB2, you will need at least CGX 4.2pre7.
No problems with P96 2.0
Good luck :-)
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Hi keropi
this sounds like the other guy with the RetinaZ3 card problem, don't you?
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too bad rtg cards have so many probs to get'em started...
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keropi wrote:
for me, the OS3.9 romupdate caused problems... I solved it using SETPATCH SKIPROMUPDATES QUIET
try to make 2 reboots... reboot after the romupdate does it's own...
Thanx keropi, but no matter how often I reboot the machine, it will not work. I will try using WB 3.1 to see if that helps.
Strange thing is though that the card does not get recognised if I remove the mediator (te be exact, only as one card)
As soon as plug in my mediator it shows 2.... But only if I jumper the Mediator to 4MB High....
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perhaps it has something to do with the picassoII that can be used in segmented mode, in-line with zorroII (maybe III+IV, I do not know...)
If the p2 is in segmented mode, then it shows as only 1 device
If it is in the normal (speedy) mode, then it shows as 2 devices, one being the memory...
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It's starting to drive me nuts!
This does not work:
OS 3.9 + Picasso96 (guru)
OS 3.9 + CGFX (Blank screen)
OS 3.1 + PicassoII (blank screen/hangs)
OS 3.1 + CGFX Unable to test, machine will not function at all anymore.
About to trash the whole system, this really is getting to me. Maybe the Picasso itself is dead, but I have no way of testing.
I'll try using another A1200 board, maybe that helps. This system is overall very instable.
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No problems with Picasso II in my A2000 setup with OS3.9BB2.
Perhaps you should get a Voodoo 3 PCI card, as you have a Mediator Z-IV. It is definitely a way better choice for you with the available specs in mind, as an RTG gfx solution.
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hi
Sorry I cant help you with the problems, but I have an on topic question if you dont mind...
On the Picasso which 15pin vga connector is output to monitor please?
tia
magnetic
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@Tahoe
Just talk to Elbox, they'll sort you out.
You need to register your Mediator first.
Cheers,
JaX
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@magnetic
I've got a PIV and know next to nothing about it, but looking at this picture (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/download_photos/picassoii_1_big.jpg), I'd say the 'outer' one is native video (15KHz) and the 'central' one is RTG video (31-64KHz).
Cheers,
JaX
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@JaX:
That's not a Picasso IV but a standard Picasso II (not the + version).
On this picture, the TOP one is output!
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I think that this is strictly a prob with the p2 and busboard... Tahoe, you should really look for a ZIII board (your busboard it ziii right?)
I got yesterday a PiccoloSD64 4MB (ZII / ZIII) and it works great , I can even use the os3,9 romupdate again :-)
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I have the Winner ZIV (Zorro IV is an invention of Elbox)
Basic Zorro slots are Zorro-II, not III. It is alround known as the most compatible busboard of them all.
This weekend i'm going to try my other A1200 mainboard. I don't trust the one which came with the tower, it already gave me the impression it's not stable, even without the busboard/mediator I often got crashes and hangups. The other a1200 was solid as a rock.
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although i personally thought that the ZIV was a "not very clean" hack, i was wrong.
http://www.schoenfeld.de/timing/
and usually, i tend to beleive what Jens Schönfeld (Individual Computers) claims . . .by default ;-)
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nice diagramms, makes my RBM busboard to look terrible... LOL
anyway, RBM had a list of supported hardware and what works and what not, so as long as you use supported stuff you are OK.
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Ok, it's getting stranger now.....
Winner Zorro IV board:
Picasso recognised as ONE card
A2091 recognised as ONE card
Winner Zorro IV Board including Mediator:
Picasso recognised as TWO cards
A2091 recognised as TWO cards
With the latter combination the whole thing crashes. With the first it works but the Picasso doesn't work and the A2091 only the RAM works.
Changed around my mainboard (2B is now a 1D4) It is more stable but that's about all....
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As I recall, the PicassoII is supposed to autoconfig as 2 boards. So that's a good sign...
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The strange thing is that it only autoconfigs as two board when I hook up my mediator. Same goes for the A2091.
The A2091 is seen as 2 enterily different boards, board 3 and board 4 with different id's. The Picasso is seen as two boards 2 with ID's 11 and 12.
Is that normal?
Still don't understand the Mediator role in this whole thing. It's like the Winner ZIV board only works correctly when it's hooked up with the Mediator.
Anyone here (preferably in the netherlands) who can test the Picasso for me in a real zorro machine (2/3/4000) ?
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I had the same setup on my A1200, when I changed system from an A2000 which was broken. Winner Z IV and Picasso II. It never worked. The System was at a local dealer for a long time. He changed the mainbord, the Z-IV the turboboard.
It didn´t work. It was impossible to get the Picasso II working with the Z IV Board. So I ended up with a Cybervision 64/3D which worked without any problems since then.
Greetings
Civ206
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Greetings from Greece!
The last three months, I am trying to get my Picasso II+ to work on my Amiga 1200T with 3.1 ROMS and m/b rev. 1D.
First failure: Picasso II+ on an old 4.20 A6860 Micronik board + Blizzard 1230 IV = corrupted images.
Second failure: PicassoII+ on a Winner ZIV board + Blizzard 1230IV. On early startup menu/board diagnostics I see only the Blizzard autoconfig and one entry for the Picasso. The Winner doesn't appear.
When workbench 3.1 boots up I got a warning that the vilintuisup.library cannot open. The same happens when I try to open the Picasso screen mode selector.
Any suggestion my friends?
George
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Throw away that old Picasso software, get Picasso96.
http://www.picasso96.cogito.de/download/Picasso96/Picasso96.lha
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.oops..
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Hello again!
I noticed that the Winner ZIV board doesnt appear in early board diagnostic, only Blizzard IV and Picasso II+ with one entry!
Unfortunatelly I do not have much time for testing but neither Picasso driver can see the card.