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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: amigadave on February 04, 2005, 04:53:05 PM
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I know this question has probably been asked more than once before, but what is the best Amiga available today (includes used hardware) in the following categories?
Real Amiga (w/add-ons & extras, but must start w/Amiga MoBo)
Emulated/Imitated Amiga (list emulator or clone OS and hardware)
Most compatible with all existing software (will run most programs)
Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
The Ultimate Amiga (which of the above is best)
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>Real Amiga (w/add-ons & extras, but must start w/Amiga MoBo)
Amiga 4000
>Emulated/Imitated Amiga (list emulator or clone OS and hardware)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
>Most compatible with all existing software (will run most programs)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
>Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
>The Ultimate Amiga (which of the above is best)
This won't make many people happy, but at the present time:
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
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>Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
Definitely an AmigaOne.
Native PPC operating system, with tons of more features that the old 3.9 operating system.
AmigaForever is nothing more than a glorified emulator for nostalgiacs. It does a good job at that but to call it the "Ultimate Amiga" is ridiculous.
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@All
Please refrain from personal jabs no matter how mild. Argo
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I've owned just about all the models except the A4000
and an A-One.
I've tried WinUAE... didn't really care for it.
My A3000 w/WarpEngine,CV64,etc, is the machine.
Its the machine I would choose.
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Real Amiga (w/add-ons & extras, but must start w/Amiga MoBo)
A4000 + CSPPC 604e-233Mhz / 060-66Mhz / UWSCSI, PCI busboard (Mediator, G-Rex or Prometheus), Voodoo 3 graphics card, DKB3128 RAM board, Video Toaster 4000, and whatever else you can cram in there.
Emulated/Imitated Amiga (list emulator or clone OS and hardware)
Toss-up between Pegasos II + MorphOS and WinUAE.
Pegasos II G4 beats an Athlon 2800+ overall according to the AmiGOD benchmarks page and has the added benefit of running WarpOS and PowerUP applications and a number of OS4 applications (via OS4Emu) which the PC won't so I'd have to go with that.
Most compatible with all existing software (will run most programs)
A500 1.3 or PC with WinUAE.
Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
A 3Ghz+ PC with Amithlon or UAE.
The Ultimate Amiga (which of the above is best)
Depends what you want to do with it.
Best bang-for-buck has to be the PC with WinUAE.
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> Definitely an AmigaOne.
Sorry Ben but that is entirely dependant on what you want to do.
Take me for example.
Audio is my thing. You try running HD-Rec on the current incarnation of OS4 and see how much fun it is.
Sure, once JIT is integrated, this should be sorted but right now, my 600mHz, G3 Pegasos pishes all over my 800mHz, G4 A1.
Don't get me wrong, I actually prefer using the A1 to the Peg for most things but to make a sweeping statement like you did is a tad ignorant, IMO.
>No offense Redrumloa but it's your past affiliation with BBRV left his mark.
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>Most compatible with all existing software (will run most programs)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
I do not think so. For example WinUAE will not run any software that make use of Amiga Zorro cards such as Movieshop.
What can UAE can do that a real Amiga can not do ?
As for speed it would definitaly be a peg2 G4 (fast JIT + native OS and software). However some 68k software may run faster emulated on an extremely fast PC.
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Lando wrote:
Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
A 3Ghz+ PC with Amithlon or UAE.
I doubt a lot that a 3 GHZ pc running emulated 68k apps is faster than amigaone running native PPC apps :lol:
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Win uae is very fast on my pc my a1 is slower if anything, winuae is hell of a lot cheaper as well, disk acess is much faster than an a1 xe besides this is a dyeing platform and as such can you justify the cost of an a1 compared to a pc if i had the money now i would not have spent what i make to be nearer a 1000 pound on on putting an a1 together my pc is now 2 to 3 years old and still faster than any a1.
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It's not directed at you, even if it was, just report it to the staff. Argo
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Real Amiga (w/add-ons & extras, but must start w/Amiga MoBo)
I would say the "cutest" one would be:
* A1200 Desktop
* Blizzard PPC 603e 240 + SCSI + 128 Mb (or more)
* BlizzardVision
* Subway USB
* PCMCIA ethernet adaptor
* External SCSI HD & CDRW
* MorphOS
Emulated/Imitated Amiga (list emulator or clone OS and hardware)
for classic Amiga game: WinUAE, or UAE on fast machine
for "Workbench use": Pegasos + MorphOS
Most compatible with all existing software (will run most programs)
Classic game: A500 + ROM 1.3 :-)
Other use prolly: A1200/4000 + 030/040 + CGX card + scan doubler
Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
with PPC application: Pegasos II G4
for 68k only software: WinUAE on fast x86 may be faster.
The Ultimate Amiga (which of the above is best)
Classic game: A500
Normal use: Pegasos II G4 with replaced fan :-)
@hyperionmp:
>Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
Definitely an AmigaOne.
Tss, Pegasos II G4 get smarter CPU (MPC7447 running at 1Ghz), DDR ->
faster :-P
Bye
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Fastest Amiga -> AmigaOne XE G4 1000 (mine :-P)
Cheaper -> WinUAE
Better -> MicroA1
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amigamad wrote:
Win uae is very fast on my pc my a1 is slower if anything, winuae is hell of a lot cheaper as well, disk acess is much faster than an a1 xe besides this is a dyeing platform and as such can you justify the cost of an a1 compared to a pc if i had the money now i would not have spent what i make to be nearer a 1000 pound on on putting an a1 together my pc is now 2 to 3 years old and still faster than any a1.
well on my 500 mhz laptop lastest winuae report with a good benchmark program that is 040 running in the range of 30 mhz (it varies betwen 28 and 40).my laptop 500 mhz is sloooow in comparision with my a1200 060, i only notice that is a faster machine when i can play divx on pc and not can in the amiga but the a1200 is faaaaaaaaasssssssssteeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr in day to day usage not to mention that windows crash constantly.so i doubt that A1 is slow than your pc, if amigaos4 is as fast as in the videos i see then i not seen a pc as fast (i´m played with pc´s up to 1.5 ghz).
AND a question: not is more faster mac dual G5 running e-uae than winuae on 3ghz pc? :-D
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@Fransexy_
not to mention that windows crash constantly
Get the machine fixed, Windows doesn't crash constantly when run on working HW. It does crash sometimes (and certainly more often than bsd or linux), though.
a question: not is more faster mac dual G5 running e-uae than winuae on 3ghz pc?
WinUAE on 3GHz PC is tens of times faster than e-uae on dual G5 system.
a) uae uses only single CPU of the dual system
b) ppc uae has no JIT
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None of the two PPC computers out are "Amiga" computers. One just has the badging slapped on.
I agree with the A4k being the top Amiga...and for the rest, UAE works perfect.
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AmigaForever is nothing more than a glorified emulator for nostalgiacs. It does a good job at that but to call it the "Ultimate Amiga" is ridiculous.
WinUAE would certaily thrash an AmigaOne/OS4 in speed benchmarks and compatability. Care to compare benchmarks? OS4 will probably end up with more features eventually when it's done, but that wasn't the question.
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cdfr wrote:
I do not think so. For example WinUAE will not run any software that make use of Amiga Zorro cards such as Movieshop.
What can UAE can do that a real Amiga can not do ?
ANy software that is dependant on zoro hardware, that's a different story. The classic certainly wins. The nice thing about AmigaForever/WinUAE is it can be configured to emulate ANY hardware you like. Try playing some of those oddball OCS games on an accelerated A4000. Sure there may be a degrader for a specific game, but not all.
As for speed it would definitaly be a peg2 G4 (fast JIT + native OS and software). However some 68k software may run faster emulated on an extremely fast PC.
That would depend on the program in question, it would be a toss up between Peg II and WinUAE.
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Tss, Pegasos II G4 get smarter CPU (MPC7447 running at 1Ghz), DDR -> faster
The 800MHz 750GX that's used on the uA1 is a bit of a beast. There's not much in the way of hard figures yet (mostly Quake frame rates) but it seems to be easily quicker than a 1GHz G4.
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EUAE for Intel Linux is catching up to WinUAE. You'll still need the AmigaForever cd for the Kickstart ROM images though... It's a pity there's no JIT compiler for the PPC version of EUAE though, that would make the AmigaOne and Pegasos much stronger compatability candidates.
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None of the two PPC computers out are "Amiga" computers. One just has the badging slapped on.
The A1 isn't just an Amiga because it's created by the continuation of the same company, you know? Considering that it runs AmigaOS (based on the orignal source code), I'd say that it's just as much an "Amiga" compared to the "Classic" line as a modern Mac is compared to the 68k Macs - just that there's been a period without any new developments. Of course, that doesn't make other solutions inferior in any way, but just different...
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DrBombcrater wrote:
The 800MHz 750GX that's used on the uA1 is a bit of a beast. There's not much in the way of hard figures yet (mostly Quake frame rates) but it seems to be easily quicker than a 1GHz G4.
It's the bigger caches on the 750GX that give it the advantage. If you had an Altivec enhaned version of Quake there would be a different story about the G4.
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The 800MHz 750GX that's used on the uA1 is a bit of a beast. There's not much in the way of hard figures yet (mostly Quake frame rates) but it seems to be easily quicker than a 1GHz G4.
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It's an interresting comparaison.
750GX feature 1Mb of L2 cache, while MPC7447 "only" 512Kb.
However, the G4 has Altivec (which can be useful for some stuff) and
(IMO) smarter mem bus usage.
The two CPU core a re prolly way different, it's hard to compare them
only on the "basic" spec (Cache, FSB speed...).
In th end, I think G4 is faster than G3 at same frequency. It would be
nice to make some benchmark between these two.
However, we would need either a µA1 with MPC7447 1Ghz, a 750GX
module for the Pegasos II or maybe on Mac (?)
Bye
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:flame:
Ah, it burns!
This thread is turning out to be quite flamey.
There's only one little detail left in order to spice it up juuust right:
Which Amiga USB controller is the best? AmigaOne USB, Algor USB, or Spider II USB? :-)
:flame:
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Why is speed everything when you talk about the Amiga but not when you talk about Wintel?
If you want speed, why don't you install Win 3.x? Then you'll get speed!
AOS 4 can not be compared to AOS 3.x!
Besides who of you are watching DVDs in WinUAE?
WinUAE is nice and all but I would never replace my A1 with AOS 4 to a PC with WinUAE. I've tried WinUAE on a PIV 2.4GHz and an AMD 2700+ and yes it was fast but not even close to how it feels using a real Amiga and limited to AOS 3.9.
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Migrating from IBM 750GX to MPC7447A (http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/app_note/AN2797.pdf)
:-)
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@HotRod
I don't think anyone put down OS4 here, however in the context of the question I think it is only fair to answer honestly. No speed isn't everything, though having it sure is nice. Compatability and software base is the key factor. At this point OS4 would be on the bottom.
Software compatability(overall - ie bulk % of compatability)
1)WinUAE
2)Real Amiga(3000/4000)
3)Peggy/MorphOS
4)A1/OS4
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None of the two PPC computers out are "Amiga" computers. One just has the badging slapped on.
I agree with the A4k being the top Amiga...and for the rest, UAE works perfect.
If you want to be completely pedantic you can easily say that the A4000 is none an "Amiga" computer either.
I have A1000, A4000 sitting under it and µAmigaOne sitting next to the A4000. Also A1200 placed behind the TV.
If you watch at the A1000 and then at the A4000, later at the A1000 and then the µA1 you can easily say that they have nothing similar except the names.
The A1000 have 68000, needs Kickstart disk to boot, doesn't have IDE controller and uses strange Apple2 alike 80W PSU.
The Keyboard from the A1000 isn't working on the A4000, neither the A4000 keyboard is working on the A1000,
neither the keyboard from the µA1 is working on the A1000 or the A4000 (unless I use the Lyra adaptor on the A4K).
The disk drives on the A1000 and the A4000 are different too (the µA1 doesn't have a floppy at all). But all the Amiga machines I have run
AmigaOS in one version or another on them and for me all they are Amigas.
The most compatible Amiga I have is my A1200 with WHDLoad installed.
The fastest is my µA1. The best emulator is WinUAE (have JIT).
The only real Amiga at pedantic level is the Amiga 1000. It doesn't even have a numbers on the case. Just Amiga and the logo.
It was designed by the father of the Amiga - Jay Miner. The others weren't.
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Yes Altivec will make programs that supports it faster but the G3GX is faster for general usage according to Hyperion.
Also the faster G4s are said to be faster than those in A1 XEs because of the larger cache.
If someone who have tried both experienced one as faster than the other I belive that it is so. Do you need benchmarks for everything?
If you're driving can't you see the difference between 30 km/h and 100 km/h without watching the needle?
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I would say that in terms of all-original purpose-made classic Amiga hardware, my machine is not too bad:
A4000T
PPC 604e @ 233 / 060
PIV (with Concierto and Paloma)
DKB3128
Lola Genlock
Maybe just a XSurf II needed?
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In th end, I think G4 is faster than G3 at same frequency. It would be nice to make some benchmark between these two.
There were Quake scores posted in a thread on AW. I can't reference the exact numbers because AW is down right now, but the uA1's 750GX/800 returned a better score than an XE with a 1.1GHz G4 (I think it was a 7447, but not sure).
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DrBombcrater wrote:
In th end, I think G4 is faster than G3 at same frequency. It would be nice to make some benchmark between these two.
There were Quake scores posted in a thread on AW. I can't reference the exact numbers because AW is down right now, but the uA1's 750GX/800 returned a better score than an XE with a 1.1GHz G4 (I think it was a 7447, but not sure).
the GX (Gekko) has added SIMD instructions (also found in the Nintendo Gamecube). So the G4's vector processing advantage is lessened, the GX is also a newer design so it's internally more efficient than the G4 for most things.
here's the Gamecube version's specs:
Clock frequency : 485 MHz (actually 487.5)
CPU capacity : 1125 Dmips (Dhrystone 2.1)
Internal data precision : 32-bit Integer & 64-bit floating-point
External bus : 1.3GB/second peak bandwidth (32-bit address space, 64-bit data bus 162.5 MHz clock)
Internal cache L1: instruction 32KB, data 32KB (8 way) L2: 256KB (2 way)
notice the L2 cache! This lets the graphics chip (ATI Flipper) which is also the MMU, do it's thing with less interuption from the CPU...
see also: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-503797.html?legacy=zdnn
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G4 is faster than g3... and whit altivec.. it's much
faster....
and best amiga will be,
Amiga whit Amiga OS!!!!!!!
whit fastest available Amiga MotherBoard!!!!
There is Best AMIGA!!!!
ANY EMULATED CAN'T BEAT REAL AMIGA!!!!
This is my opiniom!
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@lou_dias
the GX (Gekko) has added SIMD instructions
750GX is not Gekko. 750GX doesn't have AltiVec (or SIMD).
Gekko is based on 750CXe. It has two scaled down vector units, which are incompatible with real AltiVec (7447 has 4 full AltiVec units for example).
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the GX (Gekko) has added SIMD instructions (also found in the Nintendo Gamecube). So the G4's vector processing advantage is lessened, the GX is also a newer design so it's internally more efficient than the G4 for most things.
The 750GX has almost nothing in common with the Gamecube's Gecko, which seems to be just a simplified 750CXe with a basic SIMD unit smashed on. The 750GX, like all the current 750 series, has no SIMD capability at all.
My pet theory is the the GX's large L2, coupled with improvements in the way the cache is managed and interfaced to the core, has reduced the number of times the pipeline is stalled by main memory hits to some critical point where the core can get much closer to its theoretical maximum throughput that earlier 750 designs can.
And that theoretical maximum is significantly higher for the 750's 4-stage core, at least on integer code, than for the G4's 7-stage core. The G4 is supposed to counter that by scaling to higher clocks than the 750 (which it does, of course, 1.6GHz against 1.0GHz currently) but the G4s on the A1 and Peg2 are simply not clocked high enough to overcome the 750GX's advantages.
If IBM can ever cure the Condition Register bug and actually get the 750GX working reliably above 1GHz then even the latest 1.6GHz G4 will have trouble staying ahead of it.
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I doubt a lot that a 3 GHZ pc running emulated 68k apps is faster than amigaone running native PPC apps
Well, does anyone have any speed comparisons or benchmarks?
How about a 68k emulated app on a 3 GHz or faster PC and it's native port on OS 4.0 or Morphos?
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WinUAE is nice and all but I would never replace my A1 with AOS 4 to a PC with WinUAE. I've tried WinUAE on a PIV 2.4GHz and an AMD 2700+ and yes it was fast but not even close to how it feels using a real Amiga and limited to AOS 3.9.
I'd say that goes for most things. Which is better, a classic car kit or a real classic car?
Nothing beats the real thing, accept no immiations.
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@DrBombcrater
IBM tells (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/D6E15FAFF8BFB21387256DCC007B2114/$file/PPC750GX_PB-040904.pdf) 750GX is up to 18% faster than 750CX with the same clock (in some memory intensive test I would assume). Obviously it depends much on the application. If the specific code snippet ran out of L2 cache before, it will be much faster than with 750CX. 750GX also implements some in-between cache buffers and other tricks, which all help, to a point.
However, 750GX is still pretty much the basic 750 design. It doesn't really go much faster when the code is executing inside the cache, except of course due to the higher clockrate.
Further, to get most out of 7447 one needs to optimize the code for the deeper pipeline in mind to make sure all execution units stay busy, and that there are minimal number of pipeline flushes. 750CX and 750GX handle unoptimized "generic" ppc code very efficiently, due to small depth of the pipeline.
I believe this is the source of the misconception that 750GX would be as fast or much faster than 7447. In some specific test cases, 750GX with high clock might get good and even better results than 7447 with smaller L2 cache.
However, in pure number crunching, or when designing the code to fit the available L2, taking advantage of the deeper pipeline (avoiding pipeline flushes specifically) not to mention the 4 AltiVec units, I believe 7447 eats 750GX's alive.
Personally I'd pick the 7447 over 750GX any day.
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all the Amiga machines I have run AmigaOS in one version or another on them and for me all they are Amigas.
Yeah, It's kind of like "What is a Real Mac?" Look at the original Mac and then sit a Modern Mac next to it.
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The Ultimate Amiga (which of the above is best)
Amiga 5000 with AAA chips.
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drHirudo wrote:
The only real Amiga at pedantic level is the Amiga 1000. It doesn't even have a numbers on the case. Just Amiga and the logo.
It was designed by the father of the Amiga - Jay Miner. The others weren't.
My Hero! This is what I've been saying all along.
The focus of these "Best Amiga" debates usually revolves around determining which Amiga is the fastest, most upgradeable, or most versatile. But when I hear the question "Best Amiga" I immediately think "Best at being an Amiga". That's the stock 1000, hands down.
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AOS 4 is very new, being updated all the time and not even released in a final version yet.
The classic would be AOS 3.x runing under WinUAE. One could say that XP is more of a classic then.
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Why hasn't anybody mentioned AROS?
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Stirred up much more than I intended. I have many Amigas (most would say too many as I have never gotten rid of any I have bought for myself or for other family members who have given them back over the years). I have very fond memories of my first, the A1000. I have not been using my Amigas lately but I am just finishing an office room addition to my home which will give me room to set up an Amiga or two and I would like to know what is the "State of the Art" for Amigas now. I have an A4000 in a tower w/Phase 5 PPC at 233/060 at 60, Cybervision, Video Toaster/Flyer that I would like to bring up to its highest potential state, while keeping functionality of the Toaster/Flyer. I want to add USB to allow use of my digital camera's USB card reader. I want to network it with my Powerbook and my very ancient 400mHz PC. The PC will eventually be delegated to being nothing more than a Linux Firewall I think. A donated 2nd A1000 is awaiting a mini shuttle style PC MoBo transplant and Amiga Forever install, but my original A1000 will remain stock. Too many good memories there to ever change or give up.
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The classic would be AOS 3.x runing under WinUAE. One could say that XP is more of a classic then.
You can say XP with WinUAE is a classic Amiga as much as Mac running VirtualPC is an IBM-PC compatible, or XP running PearPC is a Mac, or or....
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@Piru
Nevertheless, The MPC 7447 has a little issue compared to the G3:
power.
The MPC7447 disspate much more heat than the G3 (750CXe or GX), then
it needs a fan (or a bigger heatsink)
However, I would be particualry interrested in a MPC7447 1Ghz ->
800Mhz (to remove the fan), or in a newer CPU (MPC7447A, 7447?) at
1Ghz fanless.
We will at least agree that the MPC7447/1Ghz beats the 750CXe/600.
Bye
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amigadave wrote:
Stirred up much more than I intended.
Kinda like seeing clear-looking water in a rusty metal barrel, pouring more water in, then all the settled sediments and crap suddenly cloud the water with chaos. I get so angry anymore having watched people make posts about some newer generation amiga system then suddenly the battle wages on. WHY? Who gives a RAT's A$$ what other people think anyway? I certainly never have, thats why I got an Amiga in the first place. I liked it, not because anyone else did, but because I did. Just stick with the things that you like and shut up if you don't like something that someone else does. It's gone way beyond rediculous.
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And that statement got nothing to do what so ever with what I wrote.
AOS 3.9 is older than AOS 4 and XP is older than AOS 4.
Did you get it now?
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drHirudo wrote:
The classic would be AOS 3.x runing under WinUAE. One could say that XP is more of a classic then.
You can say XP with WinUAE is a classic Amiga as much as Mac running VirtualPC is an IBM-PC compatible, or XP running PearPC is a Mac, or or....
And amiga with 060 66 mhz running shapeshifter is the fastest Classic Mac of the world :lol:
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redrumloa wrote:
@HotRod
I don't think anyone put down OS4 here
Yeah "sure". As always :-)
Software compatability(overall - ie bulk % of compatability)
1)WinUAE
2)Real Amiga(3000/4000)
3)Peggy/MorphOS
4)A1/OS4
A1/OS4 has e-UAE as well. for what i do i can run all the old software i need on OS4 even with the prerelease. Anyway better to have PPC new software.
Both MOS and OS4 has a good number of little and new PPC softwares considering their young age.
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PegasosII with G4(altivec) are rare but are certainly
the faster 68k accelerators (with the Trance 68k JIT)
I have tested my own Warp3D&68k program both on a 4040/CV64-3D and on the PegII/Radeon = it runs 20-30X faster on the PegII
So for OS-apps in 68k certainly PegasosII is the faster Amiga ever :-) (G4 Amigaones dont have JIT :-/)
Alain
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redrumloa wrote:
@HotRod
I don't think anyone put down OS4 here
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Yeah "sure". As always :-)
Not sure you what you mean by that :-? I've always had an interest in OS4. The A1 hardware, well that's another story. I was a one time A1SE preorder customer, for about 1 year actually. I canceled my preorder after a year and looking at history, I'm glad I did. Let's fast forward to present day. I was until a couple months ago looking forward to the promised OS4 for CSPPC, finally given up on that. I'm still keeping an eye on OS4, but at this point it doesn't run on anything I'd even close to consider buying. Even thought of me buying a $1000+ motherboard from Eyetech is waaay out of the question.
Hyperion has hinted at the possibility of ports to other hardware. I wonder what and when that might be, WHEN being the biggest factor. Especially with the untimely death of MOS, it would be nice to see AOS run on reasonably priced and reasonably speced/working hardware.
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@redrumload
A Micro is minitx and cheaper than an XE. A good & cute hardware.
@woof
OS4 HAS JIT. Not the prerelease beta.
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@ikir
MicoAOne: the best of all it's bug free :-D, unlike AmigaOneXE/SE :-(
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The best compablitiy for the old and great demos(Sanity Art etc.) & games is achieved by an A500 with extra 512Kb and DD both with a switcher. (ON/OFF) Costs few euros today!
Then for the next software an AGA machine, mine used to be A4000 but changed to A1200 as it is really quite the same with cheaper expansions.
With a '060 You get a few incompabilities but it's more worth it than Your "When It's Done-Sign"
After the Picasso IV I have to use two monitors, dont know why? I have an old NEC-multisync for everything and from the old A1200 output an PhilipsCM- standard Amiga monitor as my C1084S used to be. Have to see for example the Early Startup Menu for this. Not Bothering me anyway..
The A1 is fast and the best! Don't really get this if You need a lot of old sofware but who cares? Works for me and never going to go back (but the A500 for retro).
Emulation is never been a consideration because I am an true Amigan and not this "pc-emu" - guys!
I know that I'm going to get some of the last comments, please excuseme of my bad english!
See You!
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Amithlon
Faster than f^^^, an upgrade path to native x86, faster than f^^^, fastest 68k emulation to date, faster than f^^^, uses linux drivers, faster than f^^^.
Oh, and it's faster than f^^^.
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best Amiga is a real Amiga,
the Amiga500 to 4000 is the best amigas for classic games,
and for Scala type of usage
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MicroAmigaOne is the best for media software, Office (AmigaWriter), home entertainment,
faster for games, movies, and can even emulate Play-Station, for emulation of game consoles,
surfing the network, and every thing else.
E-UAE fills up the void of not being able to run hardware banging programs,
like HippoPlayer, Octamed and games,
Software is growing on the platform unlike the classic Amiga system.
It boots extremely fast unlike any emulator,
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WInUAE the most compatible Amiga Option for classic Amiga System,
run any software for any kickstart or hardware up to Amiga4000,
whit the limiton of not being able to run PPC software, WinUAE
is as good as real Amiga for game play, copper effects kills the performance,
and AGA games eats CPU.
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by redrumloa on 2005/2/4 17:56:15
>Real Amiga (w/add-ons & extras, but must start w/Amiga MoBo)
Amiga 4000
>Emulated/Imitated Amiga (list emulator or clone OS and hardware)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
>Most compatible with all existing software (will run most programs)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
>Fastest Amiga (Emulated or Accellerated?)
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
>The Ultimate Amiga (which of the above is best)
This won't make many people happy, but at the present time:
AmigaForever(WinUAE)
@ moderator/admin
you have removed MY post . . . and the quoted above?!?!
i have NO words :-(
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Framiga wrote:
you have removed MY post . . . and the quoted above?!?!
i have NO words :-(
Actually reread the thread from the begining, you will see there has been a thorough cleansing including my posts.
Edited by Admin: Repsonding to Personal Attack, Personal Attack
It probably needed to be done. One person started a flamewar and it got responded to. I don't mind being edited as long as it's thorough, and it seems to be fair and evenhanded(except for missing a couple of the quoted attacks against me).
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You know what's the sad part though? This (name omitted) person shoots himself in the foot. I am a registered owner of multiple of this (name omitted) products and even had contacted his (name omitted) company about being a dealer for his (name omitted) operating system. I have far more association with his (name omitted) company than the other (name omitted) company. :lol:
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Yeah, It's kind of like "What is a Real Mac?"
Look at the original Mac and then sit a Modern Mac next to it.
OK:
(http://www.blachford.info/computer/pics/MacsSmall.jpg)
:-P
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I still power up my SE/30 every day.
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WInUAE the most compatible Amiga Option for classic Amiga System,
run any software for any kickstart or hardware up to Amiga4000,
whit the limiton of not being able to run PPC software
That's where the advantages of MorphOS come in. You can run WarpOS + Warp3D apps, PowerUP applications, 68k applications, native MorphOS apps, native OS4 apps (through OS4emu) and hardware-banging 68k games (through UAE) all at the same time each in it's own window, and still faster than the real Amiga.
The only system that can do this.
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Hi Red
seriously (or quite)
do you really think that my comment was a "personal attack"?
It was only a mere attempt to turn the thing a little bit smoother . . . nothing more, nothing less :-)
Bye :-)
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I still power up my SE/30 every day.
I found that thing out in the street the other day. I thought it'd be a great case mod for a Mac mini, but then I discovered it still works!
No terribly useful though as I have no OS discs for it :-/
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@Framiga
No not at all, I didn't mean to imply that. I'm not a moderator here either.
I just meant I can understand why the moderators cleaned up the
thread.