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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Ni72ous on February 04, 2005, 12:35:42 AM
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Hi all
I have just setup apache on my pc, i now want to try to set up a mail server, anyone know of any that fit the title discription?
Thanks in advance
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Running a mail server involves setting up MX records for the nameserver and stuff (so mail won't get lost during the server downtime).
Are you sure you really want to run a mail server? Why?
And why run all this on XP? Personally I wouldn't recommend running services on single user OS like Windows XP.
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Considering how cheap you can pick up an older 2nd hand PC these days, I would consider doing that and then heading over to ClarkConnect (http://www.clarkconnect.org/index.php). Just a thought.
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602LAN suite (http://www.software602.com/products/ls/)
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And why run all this on XP? Personally I wouldn't recommend running services on single user OS like Windows XP.
XP isn't a single user OS.
But I wouldn't recommend running server-stuff on a machine you use as a workstation. Added security risk and all that.
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http://james.apache.org/
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XP isn't a single user OS.
Try to log in remotely (RDesktop) -> the current desktop user need to log out. I call that singleuser.
(Ok, you can workaround that particular problem with VNC, but still it's single user to me)
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Windows 2000/XP workstation works fine as a web server/email server/database server.
Microsoft doesn't like it much but there really isn't much difference between Windows 2000 server and Windows 2000/XP professional when it comes to running stuff like this. They want you to pay for a server license anytime you run server software.
I've run Mysql, IIs, Apache, MSDE (MSSQL Developer edition) and others with no issues in a production environment.
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Piru wrote:
XP isn't a single user OS.
Try to log in remotely (RDesktop) -> the current desktop user need to log out. I call that singleuser.
(Ok, you can workaround that particular problem with VNC, but still it's single user to me)
You've got some sort of head injury, don't you?
There are P L E N T Y of ways to grab remote desktop control without logging the current user off. :roll: VNC is just one of them.
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@B00tDisk
Well, the injury must be all yours.
It's not about grabbing the desktop, but rather being able to remotely log in as user x, y and z (with different desktops/terminal) simultanously.
Only single user can use the XP machine at a time. Thus I consider it singleuser.
I'm sure there are some sort of hacks for this, but XP remote desktop doesn't allow this. It's one user at a time.
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@Piru
"Only single user can use the XP machine at a time. Thus I consider it singleuser."
That really doesn't matter when using XP as a server. Very often you don't need interact with the desktop and when you do it's pretty unlikely that more than one person needs to do it at a time.
1 - Much of the server software can be managed remotely. You can start and stop services, copy/edit files etc. 10 people can do this at a time easly.
2 - Things like databases have client tools to do admin and database management.
3 - If I remember correctly there are telnet servers available for Windows workstation.
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There's this one...
Mercury Mail Server (http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm)
Never used it though.
Kev
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@-BobW-
Ok, some good points there.
If I remember correctly there are telnet servers available for Windows workstation.
Does it also come with usable shell or does it give you a MS-DOS shell thingie (==horror)?
The only half usable environment I've seen is Cygwin. But if you go there, why not just install bsd/linux for real anyway. :-)
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http://www.xmailserver.org/
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Piru wrote:
XP isn't a single user OS.
Try to log in remotely (RDesktop) -> the current desktop user need to log out. I call that singleuser.
That's because Remote Desktop is the light version of Terminal Services.
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I run my sites and email off my own server, running Win2k Server. I use VNC over SSH for remote admin, vpop3 for email, and IIS for web/ftp.
vpop3 isn't free, but it is quite cheap, and IMO, good value for money.
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Piru wrote:
XP isn't a single user OS.
Try to log in remotely (RDesktop) -> the current desktop user need to log out. I call that singleuser.
(Ok, you can workaround that particular problem with VNC, but still it's single user to me)
You can work around that with WinConnect. It's using the same RDP infrastructure as Windows Terminal Server.
Windows XP is a multi-user OS with a crippled Windows Terminal Service (RDP).
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Actually, I've read that with Service Pack 2 that there is a registry modification that will allow multiple remote desktop connections.
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Piru wrote:
The only half usable environment I've seen is Cygwin. But if you go there, why not just install bsd/linux for real anyway. :-)
Cgywin is so half-arsed on Windows. To make any use of it, I had to do NTFS junctioning all over the place. Trying to force Windows into such a setup would require a clever virtual filesystem, rather than an actual one being part of the filesystem, claiming to be one itself.
If I were designing cygwin, I would have made /bin to include/handle all of the command paths in Windows, so a list of commands would be in there. /usr would redirect to the Program Files directory assignment, /home would be Documents and Settings, and so on. Additional data drives would be mounted in /usr or /mnt.
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Piru wrote:
@B00tDisk
Only single user can use the XP machine at a time. Thus I consider it singleuser.
I'm sure there are some sort of hacks for this, but XP remote desktop doesn't allow this. It's one user at a time.
Well, you're completely wrong about what "multi-user" and "single-user" are. You're approaching that Steve G.-level of self-delusion. Quit while you're ahead. :lol: