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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: rayt on January 31, 2005, 07:45:25 AM
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Good morning all,
as you know elbox announced the dragon for end of january.. Today is the 31st, but they haven't released it yet.. which obviously means that IT WILL BE RELEASED TODAY!!!!111 :banana: :banana:
w0000000t w000000t!!!!11one :banana:
:-D
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hmm not shure if i would bet on it but hope so too, that would realy rock.
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Well they have not yet editted the website to remove references to "end of January" but it does say PLANNED release.
Its kinda par for the course here.. I mean look at ACK's "product" (have to use quotes until they really do exist!!)
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@Methanoid
>I mean look at ACK's "product"
ACK's accelerators were announced as coming out first quarter 2005 -- they've still got two months until they're late.
Although . . . we were promised pictures.
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What is the url for ACK i realy want to know..
Still sounds a bit to good tho can be housed in standard amiga 1200 cabinett hmm hot hot hot + 8 fans says i..
:-o :-o
adonay
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Exactly, where are the pix and why does ACK ignore PMs and Posts/Comments to their announcement thread.
Ignoring people is NOT a good way to get people to BUY! :-x
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@Methanoid
A lot of people don't read PMs -- I've e-mailed him with questions, and got a very quick, very detailed response.
I was kidding about the picture thing -- lighten up!
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@adonay
The PPC chip being using in the "trap door" version was designed for embedded systems (basically a 603e) and runs very cool. I don't think heat will be all that big a problem ("think" being the operative word here! ;-))
The link, by the way:
http://www.livewiresystems.ca/
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klesterjr wrote:
I don't think heat will be all that big a problem
i agree to that. Remember that PPC processors are designed much better than x86 architecture ones. They use very optimised architecture in order to reduce power requirement. My PowerMac equipped wit G3@400MHz running at 433MHz runs all the time with a room-level temperature (ca. 16-22 C), even after several hours playing quake3 or emulating pc with VirtualPC. The 603e goes hot faster, but even my 160mhz one, overclocked to 225mhz runs ok with standard cooling. So i think there shouldn`t be problems with cooling it in standard desktop case. (on the other hand: if you plan to put Dragion in, wouldn`t you need the tower for hdd`s, cd`s and other things?)
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Ignoring people is NOT a good way to get people to BUY!
I think its better if he keeps on working on his product so that one day he can actually release it rather than hanging out in forums and making big announcements.
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Yes, maybe NOT making an announcement until there was more than vapor? ;-)
I have emailed him (my mistake not going to the website!) but I do still think if he has MADE an announcement and promised more info in the "New Year" perhaps some info should be forthcoming.
Oh and I don't define "New Year" as any time in 2005. A quick straw poll here gave the result as "New Year" = "January"
It's now 31st Jan ;)
PS: Anyone interested in Dragon or just the ACK thang? :)
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@ Methanoid
As far as I have heard ACK plan to sell the small version of the board for 399Eur and the big one (which also works stand alone in a microAtx case) for 499Eur excluding VAT. Thats what he (or someone using his nick) said on irc some time ago.. But of course until theres some working prototype shown this is as much as vapor than the dragon so who cares..
PS: Anyone interested in Dragon or just the ACK thang? :)
Only PPC/ACK thang for me :-D
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i got more of an interest for dragon since elbox has been more of a help for the amiga comunity with pci fast ATA++
they have made good quality products so far after my opinion .. have never heard about ACK bfore radeon grafiks ++ i will get a dragon then perhapps build new 1200 whith ACK but verry dugtfully...
adonay
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@rayt
>As far as I have heard ACK plan to sell
>the small version of the board for 399Eur
>and the big one (which also works stand
>alone in a microAtx case) for 499Eur
>excluding VAT.
Hadn't heard that (but then I don't do the IRC thing). I'm assuming that price doesn't include OS4 (it would be cool if it DID, though!)
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This is just par for the course in Amiga-land.
Guess we can add Dragon, ACK PPC card and Shark PPC to the ever-growing list (Blizzard G3/G4, Cyberstorm G3/G4, BoXer, AmiJoe, AmigaOne-1200, Walker, AmigaMCC, Amiga Coldfire, Merlancia Tsunami/Apocalyps, Brainstormer, A/Box, Paraglide, Amiga 5000/6000, Amirage K2, Pios TransAM etc etc)
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i got more of an interest for dragon since elbox has been more of a help for the amiga comunity with pci fast ATA++ they have made good quality products so far after my opinion ..
Yes I share your opinion. Mediator is a great product and they also have good support. I bought 2 Mediators from them and never had any serious problem.
But imho they lost a lot of credit with their agressive behaviour towards developers (p96 & Poseidon drivers). While these things don't affect me (as a customer) directly, the thing I found most annoying (as a customer) is all the bull**** announcements about the SharkPPC.
I'm not trying to flame against Elbox, they made great products (I use them every day), but I seriously doubt that the dragon coldfire accelerator exists until they release photos/videos. Imho they should have spent their ressources on a ACK like ppc solution.. Supporting a discontinued OS does not help anyone I fear..
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Hadn't heard that (but then I don't do the IRC thing). I'm assuming that price doesn't include OS4 (it would be cool if it DID, though!)
I remember him saying that these prices include an OEM version of OS4. But please remember that its nothing official, just something he said on the amigaworld.net irc server some time ago.. I don't want to spread rumours here that turn out to be bull**** in the end..
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@Lando
Geez, Louise!
The Dragon was announced as coming out at the end of January -- it's not even late yet! ("Almost", though -- maybe they were overly "optimistic" on the time-frame).
The ACK isn't even supposed to be out yet! Q1 2005 means sometime between January 1, 2005 and March 31, 2005.
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@rayt
Like I said -- that would be cool if it turns out to be correct!
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Guess we can add Dragon, ACK PPC card and Shark PPC to the ever-growing list (Blizzard G3/G4, Cyberstorm G3/G4, BoXer, AmiJoe, AmigaOne-1200, Walker, AmigaMCC, Amiga Coldfire, Merlancia Tsunami/Apocalyps, Brainstormer, A/Box, Paraglide, Amiga 5000/6000, Amirage K2, Pios TransAM etc etc)
I wouldn't put the Walker in a list with AmigaMMC/A1-1200 and Merlancia type projects.. Its true that it was already obsolete the day it was announced, but at least they had a working prototype, and the walker would have been released if Escom didn't went bust..
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klesterjr wrote:
@Lando
Geez, Louise!
The Dragon was announced as coming out at the end of January -- it's not even late yet! ("Almost", though -- maybe they were overly "optimistic" on the time-frame).
Nope, it's late now :-)
I'm not interested in the ack thing... but then I already have a BlizzPPC (Still wating for Karlos to send me his HD image :-D, the clocks ticking dude!), but the Dragon has my attention... perhaps only out of curiosity and hardcore nostalgia...
Ooooooh... I'm so warm and fuzzy :-D 64 glorious bits, and loving it!
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There is information about the Dragon from Elbox on the Yahoo Mediator malinglist.
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Clickety-click (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/17371)
'Hello,
The big day is coming,... but it will be not today yet.
Unfortunately, things are not always going as expected.
We planned starting sales of Dragon cards for the end
of January. Some of the subassemblies have not reached us
on time, though. Therefore, the sales starting date will
be slightly delayed.'
....
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Yes, maybe NOT making an announcement until there was more than vapor?
Vapor = doesn't exist
If you don't have it, doesn't mean it is vapor.
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Vapor = doesn't exist
If you don't have it, doesn't mean it is vapor.
As long as there are no pictures of it, no videos, or other proofs of its existance, I think it can be called vapour.
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rayt wrote:
Vapor = doesn't exist
If you don't have it, doesn't mean it is vapor.
As long as there are no pictures of it, no videos, or other proofs of its existance, I think it can be called vapour.
I would expand that to "If it's not shrinkwrapped, on the shelves for me to buy".
It doesn't really matter if some hardware guy has a working prototype on his desk and puts up photos on the Net (there have been photos of the SharkPPC floating about for years). If I can't buy it, it's vapour.
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Ding Ding Ding...welcome to February. Okay where are the Dragon boards?
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bloodline wrote:
I'm not interested in the ack thing... but then I already have a BlizzPPC (Still wating for Karlos to send me his HD image :-D, the clocks ticking dude!), but the Dragon has my attention... perhaps only out of curiosity and hardcore nostalgia...
I thought your blizzard was fecked, anyway :-P
Have to admit, I'd like to see a nice fast coldfire or something rammed where my old apollo 1240 used to go. Oo er missus :-o
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Seeing as it is you, one HD image coming right up:
(http://www.whitedog.co.uk/catalog/images/maxtor_120gb_hdd.jpg)
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:lol:
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Karlos wrote:
bloodline wrote:
I'm not interested in the ack thing... but then I already have a BlizzPPC (Still wating for Karlos to send me his HD image :-D, the clocks ticking dude!), but the Dragon has my attention... perhaps only out of curiosity and hardcore nostalgia...
I thought your blizzard was fecked, anyway :-P
Fecked, but still functional... This is a Phase5 original we are talking about... I'm sure they must have made military hardware :-D
Have to admit, I'd like to see a nice fast coldfire or something rammed where my old apollo 1240 used to go. Oo er missus :-o
Ahhh, good... I'm not going mad then :-D
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Seeing as it is you, one HD image coming right up:
(http://www.whitedog.co.uk/catalog/images/maxtor_120gb_hdd.jpg)
Ha! I'll just copy that to my Miggy! Lets see what OS4 can do!
-edit- Didn't work... my Blizz must be more fecked than I thought :-(
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bloodline wrote:
Ha! I'll just copy that to my Miggy! Lets see what OS4 can do!
-edit- Didn't work... my Blizz must be more fecked than I thought :-(
Ah. Fricking Maxtor drives :-x I guess I will have to find an image of a Seagate Barracuda. Might work then...
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bloodline wrote:
Karlos wrote:
Have to admit, I'd like to see a nice fast coldfire or something rammed where my old apollo 1240 used to go. Oo er missus :-o
Ahhh, good... I'm not going mad then :-D
I'd quite like that to be Oli's coldfusion too. Still, if the dragon really does appear, I have a spare A1200 begging for one :-)
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I'd quite like that to be Oli's coldfusion too. Still, if the dragon really does appear, I have a spare A1200 begging for one :-)
your not the only one vould verry much like to be one of the first just plugg it inn twink it and just see hoh compatible it is whith a 68k ddr mem sounds fun too..
well time to put my mind on wait again :)