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Title: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: metalman on January 31, 2005, 02:52:12 AM
Talk about unintended consquences of changing the law!

   If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Karlos on January 31, 2005, 03:07:08 AM
Feck! :-o

Hmm, that exclamation works on several levels...

Legal or not, I think there should be some sort of contentious objection clause when it comes to declining a particular job. That's not to say one should be able to get all silly and refuse anything that comes along on the ground you can't be arsed to work or anything.

However, categories of work that some people may find a direct offront to their personal dignity/safety or morally unnaceptable need to be reasonably considered. Simply saying "humping complete strangers for cash is legal, so do it or we stop any benefits" is absurd IMHO.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: T_Bone on January 31, 2005, 03:07:49 AM
Wow... they get better unemployment benefits than Americans.

Here it's 50% of your average wage for the past year, and it lasts 6 months.

Why can't she just take the job and then report anyone who tries to pressure her into having sex for sexual harassment?  :-P It would be like being a Maytag Repairman!
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: metalman on January 31, 2005, 03:20:59 AM
Quote  "The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse."

Only the government can't tell the difference between a brothel and a bar
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: whabang on January 31, 2005, 08:56:53 AM
Here in Sweden, we've had a few cases with nude modelling, but prostitution?!?!?! :-o
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: T_Bone on January 31, 2005, 10:01:18 AM
Quote

metalman wrote:
Quote  "The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse."

Only the government can't tell the difference between a brothel and a bar


When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail... When you're the government, everyone looks like a potential screw.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: whabang on January 31, 2005, 10:16:35 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: PMC on January 31, 2005, 11:52:03 AM
Nice one T-bone...

We've had similar cases here in the media when long term unemployed women have been quizzed as to why they didn't take a job at topless bars / artists nude models etc.

Besides, topless bars are way overrated.  The rain kept getting in my beer...
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: redrumloa on January 31, 2005, 12:24:04 PM
umm...wow.. Can't believe I actually just read that.. Truly frightening. I can't even get myself top poke humor at that. I'd probably lean towards legalised prostitution, but forcing women into it? :shocked:


BTW what's to stop from forcing straight men to work in the gay sex industry?
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Karlos on January 31, 2005, 12:37:49 PM
Quote

PMC wrote:
Nice one T-bone...

We've had similar cases here in the media when long term unemployed women have been quizzed as to why they didn't take a job at topless bars / artists nude models etc.

Besides, topless bars are way overrated.  The rain kept getting in my beer...


No, no. They mean the other kind of topless bars. You know, the ones where if you are propping it up and you put your beer down, it crashes to the ground. That's even worse...
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: PMC on January 31, 2005, 01:59:38 PM
Going back o/t it seems quite outrageous to me that any government can expect someone to take on a job that might be offensive to their sense of morality.

However, seeing as politicians seem to lack any sense of morality we shouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: whabang on January 31, 2005, 02:18:36 PM
Well, during the EMU-elections last summer, there was plenty of nay-sayers who were forced to hand out flyers for the yes-campaign. :-)

Still, this is a tricky case. I therory, she'd have to take the job, but noone can be forced to sexual intercourse, as that would be rape.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 31, 2005, 02:27:35 PM
It's alike if someone is forced to serve in military
such jobs violate one's body,
so these should be treated differently
I guess this'll be dealt with soon in the government,
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: whabang on January 31, 2005, 02:46:17 PM
Yeah. Though military service will always be treated different, as it's for "the greater good of society". Something, which prostitution isn't! ;-)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 31, 2005, 03:59:19 PM
good thing you put that between quotes, Whabang :-)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: on January 31, 2005, 04:39:25 PM
"Vee hav vays of making you poke!" ;-)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: on January 31, 2005, 04:39:31 PM
edit:double post
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Vincent on January 31, 2005, 04:53:32 PM
Quote
metalman wrote:
Only the government can't tell the difference between a brothel and a bar

"I just went in the pub for a pint and came out with chlamydia"

:-P

Sorry, just had to be said...
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: whabang on January 31, 2005, 07:02:20 PM
Quote

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
good thing you put that between quotes, Whabang :-)

Hehe! Yep, doesn't matter if we're discussing the military service, or prostitution; both should be carried out by professionals. ;-)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: X-ray on January 31, 2005, 11:18:37 PM
"...BTW what's to stop from forcing straight men to work in the gay sex industry?..."

  :-o

I'd sooner service Margaret Thatcher
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 31, 2005, 11:50:31 PM
yeah, yeah, X-Ray, we KNOW you're a 100% straight man ;-)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: X-ray on January 31, 2005, 11:51:46 PM
Well if anybody was unsure, they are sure now  :-D
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on February 01, 2005, 12:01:09 AM
[soft, cheesy voice]


X-Ray, I'm NEVER unsure....


[/soft, cheesy voice]
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: X-ray on February 01, 2005, 12:02:10 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on February 01, 2005, 12:27:21 AM
Quote

X-ray wrote:
Well if anybody was unsure, they are sure now  :-D
hm, one could read this sentence as: "Well, if anybody was unsure, they sure are now :-D"
(and now we suddenly understand the importance of good understanding of language)
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: metalman on February 01, 2005, 12:28:19 AM
@whabang
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In therory, she'd have to take the job, but no one can be forced to sexual intercourse, as that would be rape.
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Then she could be fired ... for non-performance of assigned duties.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: metalman on February 01, 2005, 01:19:16 AM
For you German readers:

 Article From a German paper  (http://www.taz.de/pt/2004/12/18/a0077.nf/text)

 A rough Google German>>English Translation

Since 2002 legalised the occupation of the prostitutes. The activity of the Sexarbeiterin is thereby a job like every other one. Thus no reason would exist not to mediate after the new Hartz iv-legislation into the range of "sexual services" for the agency for work. "the occupation applies legally no longer than immorally", describes Mechthild way, specialized attorney, which prepare people in qualification companies for the unemployment. "there is legally no cause of impediment to mediate into this service range." If a Muslimin in the slaughterhouse it process swine flesh a young man as meatpacker  and a former call center woman employee in the Telephone sex agent to hire itself must, "why is then of adults a woman is not required to obtain their income through commercial birds", adds way provoking. "criminal gives it also no barriers, at the most cultural, social and moral inhibitions."

That must admit DGB spokeswoman Falk after internal search among experts also. "there is actually no lower bound with the reasonableness", confirms it, "it there the legislator missed to create standards." Nevertheless it sets on insight. "it prevails hopefully to consent that this is not interspersable."

There is also another aspect. "brothels and prostitutes pay unemployed persons -, to ill and social security, then they are also a right to switching by the labour office", complain Stephanie clover of the Federal association of sexual services so far missing. Everything else "is a discrimination of prostitutes". Within the core range Bordellbetreiberin agree clover and DGB spokeswoman Falk however: "a woman can work in this trade only if it is ready for it", says clover. "it would be also useless to place me as a nurse."

Therefore it assumes that the work agencies hold to their self obligation explanation, not to mediate into the range prostitution. This directive does not apply to "catering trade and Table dance" however. There also Falk sees the large dunkelfeld: "it will give border lines. So the waitress, who is to stand in the short Roeckchen term Bordelltresen, or who for dancer, those into a Table dance restaurant is arranged."

Emilija Mitrovic, Sozialforscherin at the university for applied sciences in Hamburg and author of the ver.di study "job prostitution", sees different aspects. "for sexual services one needs no training", says the Forscherin. Nevertheless no woman can be instructed to transact sexual services against her will after the prostitution law. This paragraph is directed however primarily against the instruction right of Zuhaeltern or brothel providers. And it gives also in the Erotikbereich large personnel requirements. Mitrovic: "it is surely possible to reject such a work but that could give problems."

That denies Knut Boernsen, speaker that Hamburg work agency. "there is still custom and behaviour." Therefore into brothels one do not mediate. "such enterprises do not turn to the agency", thus Boernsen, "those have other channels."

But it already gave individual cases. And if it concerns officially only a Tresenjob in the brothel? "if a woman not to work there would like, then we akzepieren", say stock exchanges and limit at the same time. "whether following has, must then is in individual cases gepueft."

Emilija Mitrovic refers meanwhile to how quickly standards and values change. "the danger is rather large that the practice of the Arbeitsgenturen tilts." Because the labour offices are obligated already now to issue a work permit for its Etablissement the Polin, which comes with a brothel provider.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Karlos on February 01, 2005, 01:23:15 AM
Quote
"why is then of adults a woman is not required to obtain their income through commercial birds"


That's the first time I saw anything gain something in translation :lol:
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: metalman on February 01, 2005, 01:48:56 AM
I thought you Brit's would get a kick out that choice of words.
Title: Re: must take a job as a prostitute!
Post by: Wolfe on February 01, 2005, 02:23:18 AM
The preverbal toilet overflows  :lol:

Want to change the law - fire some politicians and have them become prostitute's!  

Aaaahhhh!

What am I saying - They are already prostitutes!   :lol:

Sounds like she is screwed either way . . . .  :-o