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Title: Probiotic Foods
Post by: bloodline on January 25, 2005, 09:21:48 AM
I decided to give Actimel a go... I've gone with the Pineapple flavoured stuff... Tastes ok, and is quite a pleasant drink. But seems to have given me the worst case of wind :-(

Anybody actually had any positive experiences with this sort of stuff?
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: PMC on January 25, 2005, 10:38:20 AM
I usually have one of those large Activa or whatever yoghurts and don't have any of the symptoms you describe...

Are you eating lots of fibre & veg?  That can cause flatulence, especially when combined with lots of real ale...

Picture the scene:  An early autumn morning, in a field packed with tents where people sleep after a beer festival. The peace is shattered by a dawn chorus of trumps and creaks, somewhat reminiscent of the sounds of courting frogs in spring.
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 25, 2005, 12:22:10 PM
@bloodline

Wow, that does it. I'm gonna buy it in bulk :lol:
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 25, 2005, 12:23:10 PM
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PMC wrote:
The peace is shattered by a dawn chorus of trumps and creaks, somewhat reminiscent of the sounds of courting frogs in spring.


:roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: PMC on January 25, 2005, 12:37:26 PM
If you've ever heard Paul McCartney's "We all stand together" (otherwise known as "The Frog Chorus" then you know what I mean...

Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 25, 2005, 02:43:03 PM
....so anyway, I don't agree you can have these complex foods before the advent of 'current' biochemistry etc...

Hang on, pro.... Probiotic.. D'Oh!

;-)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: whabang on January 25, 2005, 02:45:42 PM
Proviva is great for the tummy. I dunno if it exists outside of Sweden, though.
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: PMC on January 25, 2005, 02:50:57 PM
Is anything that makes you fart like a donkey good for you?
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 25, 2005, 03:03:33 PM
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PMC wrote:
Is anything that makes you fart like a donkey good for you?


I expect all of it is. After all, one assumes all that gas comes from the breakdown of crud that would otherwise just sit there caked on your insides*


*not that I have the slightest shred of evidence to prove this ;-)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 25, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
"probiotic"

:roll:

yeah yeah, very healthy very healthy yeah right...
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: cecilia on January 25, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
:roflmao:
why is it that fellas are so in love with their behinds???

I mean....you are writing poetry, fer christ's sake!!!
 :-o
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: T_Bone on January 25, 2005, 07:07:02 PM
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PMC wrote:
Is anything that makes you fart like a donkey good for you?


Yes, it lowers your exposure to communicable diseases.  :-)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: X-ray on January 25, 2005, 07:32:47 PM
Just make sure you don't fart like 'ah Dolly'

 :lol:

('Ah Dolly' is copyright to Karlos and Cecilia of KC Amiga Productions)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 25, 2005, 11:46:07 PM
@X-Ray

Don't get me started... :lol:
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: on January 26, 2005, 01:11:39 AM
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Karlos wrote:
@X-Ray

Don't get me started... :lol:


I fear he already has, and your working on a new action packed episode in the ASCII fiend saga!

"Ah reccomends te' mah Dolly tae drink fe they Activa pot afore ah tek's her fae behind.  Loosens her boowel's tae tek moor ah mae length!" ;-)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 26, 2005, 01:15:31 AM
:-o

/me hunts for spyware on computer...
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: on January 26, 2005, 01:42:50 AM
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Karlos wrote:
:-o

/me hunts for spyware on computer...


:lol:

One has a very twisted imagination!
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: bloodline on January 26, 2005, 09:45:37 AM
Dey thurtee eeeeat... ooll is no-t well in the blodliiiiine howse...
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 26, 2005, 10:42:07 AM
:lol:

Big Brutha's bog cam was destroyed, eh?
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: PMC on January 26, 2005, 10:52:36 AM
Bloodline sensed a familiar warm feeling in the seat of his pants...

http://home.satx.rr.com/maylay/fart.jpg
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 26, 2005, 10:56:45 AM
@PMC

Here we see the latest evidence of Canada's ongoing research into scatalogical warefare. The fart-thrower. Very bad news for the US led incursion!
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on January 26, 2005, 10:58:19 AM
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cecilia wrote:
:roflmao:
why is it that fellas are so in love with their behinds???
I'd call it blatant narcism!
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: PMC on January 26, 2005, 11:57:28 AM
Do pro-biotic yoghurts count as a WMD then?  

If Canada feeds them to their front line forces, lines them up against the US border with trousers round ankles and zippo lighters at the ready then the end result can only be total carnage...
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 26, 2005, 12:35:30 PM
Well, they are of limited range of course. A far more evil use of this particular weapon is to simply create a front line, anchored to the ground (for stability) and a couple of large fans to blow in the direction of the oncoming forces.

Unignited, the compound produced is a nasty airbourne toxin with a similar spectrum of side effects as the compounds commonly found in the 'wet' camine / COW-PAT devices.

Consequently, these 'drinks', whilst having their 'conventional' uses are clearly precursors to WMD.
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: bloodline on January 26, 2005, 01:21:56 PM
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Karlos wrote:
:lol:

Big Brutha's bog cam was destroyed, eh?


Aye... me kecks, stink like a turd.
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on January 26, 2005, 11:04:36 PM
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bloodline wrote:
Aye... me kecks, stink like a turd.


How about since you started taking this Actimel stuff?

/ducks
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on March 11, 2005, 09:46:19 PM
Woo, thread necromancery here...

After doing some reading into the whole idea of "gut microflora" I thought I'd see if this actimel stuff was any good.

After just one day I can confirm no improvement but I can confirm a base line increase in general rear end seismic activity... :nervous:
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Floid on March 11, 2005, 11:22:46 PM
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Karlos wrote:

After doing some reading into the whole idea of "gut microflora" I thought I'd see if this actimel stuff was any good.

After just one day I can confirm no improvement...


As one of those biology types...

The real theory is less that 'magic occurs' than that the probiotic friendlies will displace or outcompete what 'shouldn't be there,' avoiding candida and other such unpleasantries.

I have to wonder if all the "side effects" are due to these drinks and foods and such being high in lactose -- the idea is that normally the cultures will consume it all and switch off, but when they want them to survive to get to you, don't they have to (or end up) keeping that or related sugars in solution?

Meanwhile, if you're lactose intolerant (not producing the enzyme to break the sugars down on your own), these seem to be the li'l buddies who'll be doing it instead -- aww, they're cute! (http://genome.jgi-psf.org/draft_microbes/lacca/lacca.home.html) -- so it's no wonder they produce the symptoms... what before might've been, y'know, "ignored," is now getting metabolized (and the, uh, 'irritation' of that may ensure things keep moving, but it's not entirely prerequisite).  The upshot is that the lactic acid produced does inhibit the baddies, and the goodies are supposed to produce B vitamins in the process of it all.

Or in other words, drinking the gloop once a week is probably more than enough insurance, it probably won't outright cure L.I. if you're genetically predisposed, and overdoing it probably invites more of a "party" than you necessarily need... though this depends on all the specifics of what kind of critter you (and your genes) would have you be, and "nutrition" isn't a completely solved science or we wouldn't have all these fads.  (For instance, yeah, the B vitamins are great... how many do you *exactly* need for things to be optimal, who knows?  Will the flora ever produce enough, or is the human animal better suited to use its opposable thumbs and create vitamin tablets?  Etc, etc.)

If you want the, uh, "magic" you spoke of back there, insoluble fiber is more the thing, but if you ever eat a vegetable, you might be all right.  (Science is all excited because fiber and cholesterol seem linked, but there's that question as to how well we understand cholesterol's role -- 'inflammation theory' and all that -- chances are it just encourages the production and concomitant removal of bile by, uh, presence -- and I get the feeling the supplemental guidelines are somewhat intended for the sort of people who live off McDonalds and nothing else... more like the 'average human' of myth that crops up when surveying what people really do.)

Now if we can't figure out how to eat and excrete, is it much surprise that we haven't solved all the other problems?  :-o
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on March 12, 2005, 12:49:11 AM
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If you want the, uh, "magic" you spoke of back there...


I never asked for any magic, did I? I was just wondering if the unadvertised windy miller side effect was as bad as bloodline was making out. So far I think he has a point, but they aren't a patch on cabbage for that :lol:

I generally eat a fairly healthy diet anyway, but I thought I'd see if if these probiotics were anything to write home about.
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Floid on March 12, 2005, 01:15:51 AM
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Karlos wrote:
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If you want the, uh, "magic" you spoke of back there...


I never asked for any magic, did I?


I was just speaking hypothetically.  Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to turn that fact into a horrid pun!
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on March 12, 2005, 01:23:35 AM
Ah, you meant "that you asked for" as in "that one asked for"...

Now I getcha :-D
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on March 13, 2005, 01:50:05 PM
@bloodline

Are you still taking these things? If so, for how long and have you noticed any benefits yet?
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: BouncingAyatollah on March 13, 2005, 07:19:58 PM
@Speelgoedmannetje

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I'd call it blatant narcism!


Wouldn't that be arse-ism? ;-)

Anyway, surely can't be that bad if it makes your trouser trumpet smell of pineapple?
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: bloodline on March 13, 2005, 08:06:55 PM
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Karlos wrote:
@bloodline

Are you still taking these things? If so, for how long and have you noticed any benefits yet?


I stopped after 2 weeks. I noticed no benefit at all. I'm glad to have "finished the course", as my "rear end emissions" were becoming a problem.

Frankly, I'm happy to eat my broccoli every night and not suffer any gassious side effects. :-D

P.S. I'm getting old ;-)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: bloodline on March 13, 2005, 08:08:44 PM
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BouncingAyatollah wrote:
@Speelgoedmannetje

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I'd call it blatant narcism!


Wouldn't that be arse-ism? ;-)

Anyway, surely can't be that bad if it makes your trouser trumpet smell of pineapple?


I only wish it did :-(
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: Karlos on March 14, 2005, 02:09:24 AM
Day three.

I've been guffing a bit more than ususal but I can't say that they're much worse than usual.

On the plus side, I must confess I do feel a bit better, but there's no evidence to say that it is in any way linked to this yet - could also be the extra exercise I have been getting recently and the improved diet ;-)
Title: Re: Probiotic Foods
Post by: bloodline on March 14, 2005, 09:11:22 AM
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Karlos wrote:
Day three.

On the plus side, I must confess I do feel a bit better... ;-)


Perhaps it only works on old people /me runs