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Every time I turn on the news some teacher is being charged with having sex with their students. What's going on nowdays?
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It's been happening for years, but I guess now more and more kids are able to report their teachers to the authorities?
There's been several cases over here of female teachers having inappropriate relationships with male students. There's still an inequality in society re adult women committing "statutory rape", as the teacher is less likely to be judged harshly than if it were a male teacher. Either way, it's an abuse of trust and should be dealt with accordingly.
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It's even worse than the news led me to believe...
The Department of Education has just released figures that show that **7%** of **Grade School Students** have been the victim of sexual misconduct at the hands of school employees!
WTF is going on?
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7%... Oh jeez... That's twenty one kids out of my entire last school year, and proportinally means that at least four would have been good friends...
What exactly is defined by "sexual misconduct"?
[edited by me for apalling maths]
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I have actually TWO comments on this subject.
Here's my first thought:
PMC wrote:
There's been several cases over here of female teachers having inappropriate relationships with male students. There's still an inequality in society re adult women committing "statutory rape", as the teacher is less likely to be judged harshly than if it were a male teacher. Either way, it's an abuse of trust and should be dealt with accordingly.
Same here. It's a whole mindset that it seems all western cultures have. People think Well the boy must have enjoyed it. Well yeah, maybe a girl would have too. It really should be treated the same accross the board and it isn't. Whether they enjoyed it or not doesn't matter. Adults certainly should not be taking advantage of kids under any circumstances.
Here's my second thought on the subject:
Where the hell were these teachers when I was in school! :lol:
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PMC wrote:
7%... Oh jeez... That's fourteen kids out of 100, and what would be 35 kids out of my old school year... Which would be a large proportion of my friends too.
What exactly is defined by "sexual misconduct"?
yeah, I know some of my friends had some... extra tuition...
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"...Where the hell were these teachers when I was in school!..."
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:lol:
Without condoning any abuse of trust, I must add to Red's quip by saying that when I was 16 I had an English teacher who I can only describe as an absolutely flawless lady. She was not only physically awesome, but she had an aura about her that was attractive on a chemical or electrical level. Let me describe the feeling I got whenever I saw her: if you've ever stood on the balcony of a tall building and peered over the edge and suddenly got that little electric tingle down the base of your spine, because you suddenly realise how high up you are....that is how I felt when I saw her. I was almost physically ill, that is how 'bad' I had it.
I can only echo Red's sentiment that if this beautiful creature had decided to 'abuse' me I would not have complained....much.
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Without wanting to condone these abuses, but I got the idea this kind of news selected for it's 'entertainment' value.
How much do you hear about kids being bullied to death or being beaten up at home? Wich is far far worse than abuse (apart from rape) I think.
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X-ray wrote:
I can only echo Red's sentiment that if this beautiful creature had decided to 'abuse' me I would not have complained....much.
Absolutely. I, as an adult, definately do not condone female teachers abusing students. It wasn't all too long ago I was one of those pimple faced teens, I remember all too well the raging hormones. There's the biggest reason we need to address this issue the same regardless of the sex of the child. With boy's raging hormones, there is very little chance of them saying no.
I tell you what, I certainly echo X-Ray. Once I hit about ~12-13, the hormones were on and raging. I was a pretty homely looking kid, to whom girls had no interest in. I had no Hot For Teacher type teachers, and had Catholic teachings telling me masturbation was evil. It aint easy being a teen! :lol:
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redrumloa wrote:
I had no Hot For Teacher type teachers, and had Catholic teachings telling me masturbation was evil. It aint easy being a teen! :lol:
I just wanked myself daft... just me... me and my sock :-)
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bloodline wrote:
just me... me and my sock :-)
You two are unseperatabely aren't you? (I mean, literally, physically)
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redrumloa wrote:
I have actually TWO comments on this subject.
Here's my first thought:
Same here. It's a whole mindset that it seems all western cultures have. People think Well the boy must have enjoyed it. Well yeah, maybe a girl would have too. It really should be treated the same accross the board and it isn't. Whether they enjoyed it or not doesn't matter. Adults certainly should not be taking advantage of kids under any circumstances.
Yeah, adolescent males are much more aware of the physical act of love and adolescent girls tend to be more attuned to the emotional. However, if someone's taken advantage of and damaged emotionally, the net result is still the same.
Being completely honest, if one of my mates had been bedded by a female teacher at 14 he'd have received hero worship. If it were a female who'd been seduced by a male teacher, they'd be instantly stigmatised themselves by their peer group.
Here's my second thought on the subject:
Where the hell were these teachers when I was in school! :lol:
Haha! At fourteen my one greatest wish was to be seduced by a very attractive woman say ten years my senior... But amongst the teaching staff at my secondary school, candidates were lacking :-)
However, from my own perspective I was also highly sensitive to the emotional side of things too and being seduced and then discarded by a predatory female teacher would have done me untold emotional damage...
My own first love at the tender age of sixteen was traumatic enough, believe me.
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bloodline wrote:
I just wanked myself daft... just me... me and my sock :-)
What a truly moving love story about an adolescent Matt's love affair with his laundry... I can see it in a muscial now (cue melody to "Me and My Girl")
"Me and my so-ock, we love each oth-errr..."
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Speaking as a student teacher who teaches at a further education college, full of unbelievably beautiful young women, I can only say this:
I AM GLAD I TEACH I.T. TO SPOTTY HERBERTS!!
:-D
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bloodline wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
I had no Hot For Teacher type teachers, and had Catholic teachings telling me masturbation was evil. It aint easy being a teen! :lol:
I just wanked myself daft... just me... me and my sock :-)
The most certain thing in life is that Rosy Palm and her Five Sisters will NEVER cheat on you and break your heart! :-)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Without wanting to condone these abuses, but I got the idea this kind of news selected for it's 'entertainment' value.
How much do you hear about kids being bullied to death or being beaten up at home? Wich is far far worse than abuse (apart from rape) I think.
I think you hit the nail on the head here!
I mean, not that I had anywhere near the horrible experiences of any of these people, but I can't see the "news" being interested in the subtle emotional abuse that many children, including myself, endure for years. Because it's not something that can be said in two sentences, it's not worth mentioning.
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I mean, not that I had anywhere near the horrible experiences of any of these people, but I can't see the "news" being interested in the subtle emotional abuse that many children, including myself, endure for years.
If it's any small comfort, know that you aren't alone. Age 10-14 is a period in my life I'd much rather forget. Sadly these experiences play heavily into the people we become. For me it was probably a contributing factor into why I lived in a bottle for so many years.
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Well, for me it was from age 7 'till 12
They weren't particularly fond of freaks like me.
A very close (straight) friend of mine admired me for keeping my head up and resist. Resistance is futile (they won't stop anyway), but it helps against being assimilated, if you understand what I mean :-).
Gosh, was I glad that after that I was going to a normal (well, kinda, more like hippy) school, twas like coming home.
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redrumloa wrote:
I mean, not that I had anywhere near the horrible experiences of any of these people, but I can't see the "news" being interested in the subtle emotional abuse that many children, including myself, endure for years.
If it's any small comfort, know that you aren't alone. Age 10-14 is a period in my life I'd much rather forget. Sadly these experiences play heavily into the people we become. For me it was probably a contributing factor into why I lived in a bottle for so many years.
And probably why I lived in a haze of powder and pills for so long.
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mdma wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
I mean, not that I had anywhere near the horrible experiences of any of these people, but I can't see the "news" being interested in the subtle emotional abuse that many children, including myself, endure for years.
If it's any small comfort, know that you aren't alone. Age 10-14 is a period in my life I'd much rather forget. Sadly these experiences play heavily into the people we become. For me it was probably a contributing factor into why I lived in a bottle for so many years.
And probably why I lived in a haze of powder and pills for so long.
I have no execuse...
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mdma wrote:
And probably why I lived in a haze of powder and pills for so long.
Gee, :-(
only thing can do, is an understanding and hopefully comforting hug :knuddel: , also for Red and Cecilia,
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A comforting hug to all of you... My own adolescence and childhood was pretty harsh, I was a victim of bullying to a very severe degree but found the only way to cope was to turn everything in on myself and change me for the benefit of those who sought to torment me. I also had to deal with a father who regarded children as little more than an inconvenience at best, and a dictatorial monster at worst.
For a while the facade worked well, but after a few years the cracks started to appear and by my late teens I was an empty shell, living in denial of my own experiences and I eventually reached critical mass so to speak and the end results live with me to this very day.
However, over the years I've learned much about myself and human nature, to speak up for the underdog, to face fears and most profoundly I've learned the power of forgiveness. I also have a huge problem dealing with the situation whenever my two nieces fight or express any violent tendancies.
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mdma wrote:
Speaking as a student teacher who teaches at a further education college, full of unbelievably beautiful young women, I can only say this:
I AM GLAD I TEACH I.T. TO SPOTTY HERBERTS!!
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Whatever tickles y' fancy. I just dont think it's appropriate to share that in public. :-P
/...........runs
:-D
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I think those figures are concocted to attract more people into the teaching profession.
There's a drama on tv here called TEACHERS where this sort of thing is glamourised. This follows a drop in interest in the teaching profession.
It's like they're saying:
"Yes, The pay sucks, the conditions stink, you'll have no life left and you might even get beaten up by students. But hey ! There might be some little perks included you know!" :lol:
As if...
You are more likely to get blackmailed with threats of rape accusations if you don't offer the right results on the test papers.
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I wouldn't dream of going into the teaching profession. My friend is a teacher and he is not a happy chappy. :-?
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GadgetMaster wrote:
I wouldn't dream of going into the teaching profession. My friend is a teacher and he is not a happy chappy. :-?
My neighbor Marv was a teacher for two years. Now he's a carrier for the Post Office. He said the students are indifferent towards you at best, the administration is a good ole boys club, and the students parents treat you as if you are an obstacle in their childs life.
He says he gets more respect handing people their mail.
(And he sends his kids to private school)
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I don't think I could teach, I just don't think I have the patience with people that I should have, I'd probably end up lamping the mouthy ones...
I have no time for the ignorant and no inclination to waste my time trying to teach people in a situation where *I* am viewed as the enemy by all sides.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
mdma wrote:
And probably why I lived in a haze of powder and pills for so long.
Gee, :-(
only thing can do, is an understanding and hopefully comforting hug :knuddel: , also for Red and Cecilia,
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Thanks. :-D
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PMC wrote:
A comforting hug to all of you... My own adolescence and childhood was pretty harsh, I was a victim of bullying to a very severe degree but found the only way to cope was to turn everything in on myself and change me for the benefit of those who sought to torment me. I also had to deal with a father who regarded children as little more than an inconvenience at best, and a dictatorial monster at worst.
For a while the facade worked well, but after a few years the cracks started to appear and by my late teens I was an empty shell, living in denial of my own experiences and I eventually reached critical mass so to speak and the end results live with me to this very day.
However, over the years I've learned much about myself and human nature, to speak up for the underdog, to face fears and most profoundly I've learned the power of forgiveness. I also have a huge problem dealing with the situation whenever my two nieces fight or express any violent tendancies.
I found learning martial arts was the best way. No man scares me. Period. It isn't because I know I could beat them in a fight, but all martial arts give you self confidence and a belief in yourself.
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7%... Oh jeez... That's fourteen kids out of 100...
:huh::huh:
:-P
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redrumloa wrote:
I have actually TWO comments on this subject.
Here's my second thought on the subject:
Where the hell were these teachers when I was in school! :lol:
Yeah. I just went straight to the second thought.
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Wain wrote:
7%... Oh jeez... That's fourteen kids out of 100...
:huh::huh:
:-P
Ahh the good old british education system, who says standards are falling? :lol: :-P
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@Leander & Wain,
Ohh crikey! Spot the deliberate mistake... And I work for an accountancy firm and all....
Doh, doh and thrice doh!
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@mdma,
I found exercise for me was a tremendous tonic. When I'm stressed and/or pissed off with someone I find myself reaching for the treadmill before I reach for a beer.
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redrumloa wrote:
Where the hell were these teachers when I was in school! :lol:
:laughing:
I had one of those hot ones as an Ennglish teacher in the 9th grade. Unfortunately, she was dating the art teacher. :-D
We also had a couple of MILFs, but they were married. :-(
:-P
Seriously, though, it's one thing if a young guy dates a teacher and another issue if a young guy date his teacher.
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whabang wrote:
We also had a couple of MILFs, but they were married. :-(
:-P
You can score also in goals with keepers
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Come to think of it, my grade five marks were pretty crappy, I think I need to re-enroll!!! ;-)
- Mike
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PMC wrote:
@Leander & Wain,
Ohh crikey! Spot the deliberate mistake... And I work for an accountancy firm and all....
Doh, doh and thrice doh!
Oh yeah, you meant to do that...SUUUUURRE!!
:-D :-D