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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: redrumloa on January 18, 2005, 10:49:16 PM
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Well it is not nearly as fast as I expected it to be. I realy don't like to spend $500 on a video card knowing in a year it will be worth $100. So, when I just recently built this system up(KT600 w/AthlonXP 3200 & 1GB PC3200) I got a 5700LE. Doom 3 while playable, just isn't getting the fram rates I'd expect.
What video card do I have to get to play Doom 3 all out in full quality with no slow down? Don't tell me X800 :-x
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To get Doom 3 running at full speed with all options turned on, I'd say you'd have to be looking at an X600 or something similar. I've had decent results with a Geforce 5900, but I didn't have anti-aliasing turned on.
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The best AGP video card for bang for your buck is the
Geforce 6600 GT. check it out. it blows away most video cards, including 9800 pro and others. iv done tests at work myself and i own one. it runs doom3 full frames full detail no slow down whatsoever.
get one. and they are cheap too.
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Hum,
well i played a reasoable game on a fx5200!
(super fast memory - and overclocked to 402 mhz)
(with a few options turned off and no background programs)
Though i would agree just now a Geforce 6600 GT is a good choise , untill 6 months time , and the new interfaces (http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2004q1/pciexpress/index.x?pg=1) to replace AGP come out...
Tweaks (http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/blobrana/subs/index.html)
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What frame rates are you expecting?? I am not sure of the specs on the 5700LE but I have a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra with an AGP 8x motherboard (running an athlon 64), and I have no problems..
Have you thought about overclocking the GeForce chipset with an overclocking utility and also overclocking the CPU? It can be done.. Also what is your AGP bus speed in the bios settings? Can you ramp that up some? I paid $250 a couple years back for my 5900 (which does supposedly have faster memory and bus, however it shouldn't be that much faster..)
You could always go out and buy a DUAL SLI PCI-Express motherboard and be up there with the gods :-)
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I have a Gigabyte 6600GT PCI-e and it works wonderfully with Doom3 (included with card), FarCry, HalfLife 2, etc. The PCI-e version was around $185, I'd expect the AGP to be similarly priced.
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Framerates are a great hoax these days.
all these benchmarkers go out there and "benchmark" vidi cards. and they say "hey this card does 110 frames per second on doom 3!"
but what they dont tell you is a game looks like s h i t at 110 frames per second. because you can always see glitches on screen like scan lines and those crazy lines you see.
it's not PERFECTLY SMOOTH.
SO! what you need is card that can deliver a CONSTANT 30FPS
vsync'd to 60hz and WOW!! your $2000 video card that does 300fps on a benchmark is now doing 30fps but it's PERFECTLY SMOOTH.
dont be fooled by framerates! all you need is a good card that can KEEP the frames rolling. thats way more important.
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i have to agree totally with mikrucio.
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Geforce FX 5700LE sucks!
I second that.
I own one of these (PNY Technologies FX 5700LE) and they range in the low end of the FX series along with the FX5200 and what have you.
In my humble opinion, calling it something with "5700" borders on deception, as its specs are closer to that of a Ti4200 (around 250 mhz on the core, 500 mhz for the RAM, 4 pixel pipelines).
Incidentally, that's what i originally had (it broke, the store swapped it under warranty to the 5700LE, since the Ti4200 was no longer in production at that time), so I'm not complaining, but the LE is certainly no match for the latest generation of games.
--edit--
I found Doom3 to be rather demanding and I doubt many systems can manage to run it properly with all the bells and whistles at a very high resolution, save for the top of the line ones, maybe.
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redrumloa wrote:
Well it is not nearly as fast as I expected it to be. I realy don't like to spend $500 on a video card knowing in a year it will be worth $100. So, when I just recently built this system up(KT600 w/AthlonXP 3200 & 1GB PC3200) I got a 5700LE. Doom 3 while playable, just isn't getting the fram rates I'd expect.
What video card do I have to get to play Doom 3 all out in full quality with no slow down? Don't tell me X800 :-x
You should consider you machine's specs as well. What do you have, just out of curiosity?
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Wow, Geforce FX 5700LE sucks!
Yeah. It's kinda painful. Really, the whole GeForce 5xxx series are rather disappointing underachievers.
The Geforce 6xxx series seem to have picked up the slack. I snuck to myself as a Christmas present -- A Geforce 6800GT. So, as you said, I basically spent about $350 on a card, knowing in a year it'd be worth less than $100... BUT... it's simply stunning! I upgraded to it from a couple-year old GF4Ti 4600. (Which I had chosen to keep over a GF 5500 that a friend offered to sell me, as my 4Ti benched and played better than his 5500!)
Anyhow, going from the 4Ti to the 6800GT meant games that barely ran in 800x600 medium detail no AA/no ASF now get great framerates in 1024x768 full detail 4xAA/8xASF.
I was really impressed by the performance boost. I hadn't seen a performance gain of that magnitude since I went from a Voodoo 3 to my old GeForce 2GTS. ;-)
I've also heard nothing but good things about the 6600, if you want to keep a little tighter budget, it should be a great choice.
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That's why you should never buy GeForce's that have: LE or XT or SE or MX on their name... It always means there is something missing/disabled...
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Blomberg wrote:
Geforce FX 5700LE sucks!
I second that.
In my humble opinion, calling it something with "5700" borders on deception, as its specs are closer to that of a Ti4200 (around 250 mhz on the core, 500 mhz for the RAM, 4 pixel pipelines).
I found this in a 5900 fx ultra review..
Quoting the review:
For their e-GeForce FX 5900 Ultra card, eVGA has bumped the core clock frequency to 500MHz. Yes, you read that correctly, 500MHz! As a result, the e-GeForce FX 5900 Ultra matches the fill rate of GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, arguably the 5800's biggest highlight. On top of the higher core clock speed, eVGA boosts the memory clock frequency to 900MHz. This feature nets the e-GeForce FX 5900 Ultra an additional 1.6GB/sec of memory bandwidth.
The review an be found at:
review from hardcore gamer (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/evga_e-geforce_fx_5900_ultra_review/default.asp)
We have to remember that this series of cards aren't the current ones, and they added a lot of things like shader technologies for better cinematic effects. Nvidia really doesn't play the "we are faster" game with frame rate numbers..
Doom 3 was designed with the latest and greatest to show off the latest and greatest, not to play on the not so latest.. It's easy to complain that your card is running slow because you don't have the latest hardcore hardware. Especially on a game known for setting the benchmark for graphics standards on cards..
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mikrucio wrote:
The best AGP video card for bang for your buck is the
Geforce 6600 GT. check it out. it blows away most video cards, including 9800 pro and others. iv done tests at work myself and i own one. it runs doom3 full frames full detail no slow down whatsoever.
get one. and they are cheap too.
True. Excellent card. Although, I haven't had a chance to try it with Half-Life 2 yet, it does pretty good with Doom 3. Think I got it for just a little over 200 bucks.
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mikrucio wrote:
Framerates are a great hoax these days.
all these benchmarkers go out there and "benchmark" vidi cards. and they say "hey this card does 110 frames per second on doom 3!"
but what they dont tell you is a game looks like s h i t at 110 frames per second. because you can always see glitches on screen like scan lines and those crazy lines you see.
it's not PERFECTLY SMOOTH.
SO! what you need is card that can deliver a CONSTANT 30FPS
vsync'd to 60hz and WOW!! your $2000 video card that does 300fps on a benchmark is now doing 30fps but it's PERFECTLY SMOOTH.
dont be fooled by framerates! all you need is a good card that can KEEP the frames rolling. thats way more important.
True, that. Max, no more than 60fps for what we can perceive, anyway.
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The Geforce FX series weren't the best cards to play games. You could better pick an Ati 9600, Ati 9800, X800 or the NVidia 6x00 series.
But don't buy LE, SE versions of these cards. They crippled the memory bus.
A good value for money is buying the Nvidia 6600 GT. It's faster than a Ati Radeon 9800 Pro and 9800 XT. If you don't want to spend around $200, you could buy a 9600 XT.
It's a reasonable card to play games, but don't expect to run at very high resolutions.
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redrumloa wrote:
Well it is not nearly as fast as I expected it to be. I realy don't like to spend $500 on a video card knowing in a year it will be worth $100. So, when I just recently built this system up(KT600 w/AthlonXP 3200 & 1GB PC3200) I got a 5700LE. Doom 3 while playable, just isn't getting the fram rates I'd expect.
What video card do I have to get to play Doom 3 all out in full quality with no slow down? Don't tell me X800 :-x
Doom3 will be alot faster once Nvidia add a feature to their driver that allows the engine to skip the rendering of all the BLACK PIXELS :lol:
I hated that game.
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amiga1260 wrote:
The Geforce FX series weren't the best cards to play games. You could better pick an Ati 9600, Ati 9800, X800 or the NVidia 6x00 series.
And if you have a GeForce Ti 4x card before making that decision, only the highest end ATi 9xxx and GeForce FX cards can outrun them in any worthwhile 'time to upgrade' fashion. I was set on getting a 6600 GT until I heard that it spewed out a fair bit of heat, something I'm always trying to avoid now.
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doom 3 is a game where full quality is meant to be played on non yet existing hardware. it seems that many people do not understand that because they can set everything to max in older games too...
also, if you want full quality why do you buy the absolute low end of the fx series? you should've atleast bought an FX5700 and not LE or SE to have a bit more power.
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mikrucio: dont be fooled by framerates! all you need is a good card that can KEEP the frames rolling. thats way more important.
You're fed up with that too, huh? If your framerate ever goes FASTER than your monitor's refresh rate, it just causes frame skipping. All the game consoles use VSync, and they look fabulous with graphic chips that are several years old! Why are PC users so hyper about bleep'n frame rates?!
T_Bone: Doom3 will be alot faster once Nvidia add a feature to their driver that allows the engine to skip the rendering of all the BLACK PIXELS
I hated that game.
The only thing I liked about it is that it reminded me, vaguely, of Infestation (hence, my avatar). Still, ID really didn't put that "advanced" engine to good use. I don't know why Doom3 is still the benchmark used for all video cards.
Personally, I think my Radeon 9800 Pro is the kicks. But, I also had to replace the friggin' tiny cooler with one of these (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=36). Works great.
...and you all think Pentiums are insane heat factories! :lol:
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Waccoon wrote:
The only thing I liked about it is that it reminded me, vaguely, of Infestation (hence, my avatar). Still, ID really didn't put that "advanced" engine to good use. I don't know why Doom3 is still the benchmark used for all video cards.
@Waccoon
Love that avatar! Have you tried using WHDLoad to run Infestation from harddrive? It works really well and makes the game much more enjoyable. Quite a remarkable 3d engine and sound on a stock A500.
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@ DonnyEMU
What does the 5900 Ultra have to do with anything? I was talking about the 5700LE which seems to represent a dip in the (arguably already underpowered) FX line, that is if you follow the numbering scheme (low is bad, higher is better).
I already know the 5900's are relatively good performers, I use an XT one myself (clocked to about Ultra specs when needed).
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mikrucio wrote:
Framerates are a great hoax these days.
all these benchmarkers go out there and "benchmark" vidi cards. and they say "hey this card does 110 frames per second on doom 3!"
but what they dont tell you is a game looks like s h i t at 110 frames per second. because you can always see glitches on screen like scan lines and those crazy lines you see.
it's not PERFECTLY SMOOTH.
SO! what you need is card that can deliver a CONSTANT 30FPS
vsync'd to 60hz and WOW!! your $2000 video card that does 300fps on a benchmark is now doing 30fps but it's PERFECTLY SMOOTH.
dont be fooled by framerates! all you need is a good card that can KEEP the frames rolling. thats way more important.
...except 60hz is a headache inducing flicker fest. Well, if you've been stuck using the Amiga's native video modes for fifteen years I guess it probably looks rock solid.
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WuduFrumm wrote:
also, if you want full quality why do you buy the absolute low end of the fx series? you should've atleast bought an FX5700 and not LE or SE to have a bit more power.
As already stated, cost! :lol: While price shopping the local show ~a month ago it appeared to be the best value. I paid ~$120 for the card, retail box. Considering my previous setup had a Geforce MX 440, this was a step up. It just wasn't as big a step up as i expected :-x
I tried to keep my upgrade in a certain budget, but I've already blown that budget and it looks like I will be dropping even more bread to buy a better GFX card. i guess I have to look in the $200-$300 range:-(
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Blomberg wrote:
@ DonnyEMU
What does the 5900 Ultra have to do with anything? I was talking about the 5700LE which seems to represent a dip in the (arguably already underpowered) FX line, that is if you follow the numbering scheme (low is bad, higher is better).
I already know the 5900's are relatively good performers, I use an XT one myself (clocked to about Ultra specs when needed).
The point of bringing this up is someone was saying the entire line sucks. Also, my point was that he could probably overclock to get better performance (or at least acceptable)..
RivaTuner (http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/)
Overclocking the nvidia with new drivers with page that claims frame rate increases in Doom 3.. (http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2241e/id11.html)
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DonnyEMU wrote:
The point of bringing this up is someone was saying the entire line sucks.
Well yeah, but it wasn't me. I just don't understand you quoting the bit I said about the 5700LE, because this card does indeed suck for anything other than office work and 2 year old games.
Also, my point was that he could probably overclock to get better performance (or at least acceptable)..
I don't think it's worth the trouble with this card. I'm not sure if the chip on it really is a 5700, but in any event my particular 5700LE is a very poor overclocker, I only ever managed marginal increases with CoolBits. Seems to me that in case it really is a 5700 chip, it must be a very crippled one, because it comes nowhere near the 425 mhz on the core a full 5700 is supposed to run at.
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You're fed up with that too, huh? If your framerate ever goes FASTER than your monitor's refresh rate, it just causes frame skipping. All the game consoles use VSync, and they look fabulous with graphic chips that are several years old! Why are PC users so hyper about bleep'n frame rates?!
The ability to drive the “tech demo” games at crazy resolutions with all the details turned on.
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MiAmigo wrote:
mikrucio wrote:
The best AGP video card for bang for your buck is the
Geforce 6600 GT. check it out. it blows away most video cards, including 9800 pro and others. iv done tests at work myself and i own one. it runs doom3 full frames full detail no slow down whatsoever.
get one. and they are cheap too.
True. Excellent card. Although, I haven't had a chance to try it with Half-Life 2 yet, it does pretty good with Doom 3. Think I got it for just a little over 200 bucks.
Refer to
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2005q1/geforce6600gt-sli/index.x?pg=7
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Ilwrath wrote:
Wow, Geforce FX 5700LE sucks!
Yeah. It's kinda painful. Really, the whole GeForce 5xxx series are rather disappointing underachievers.
Like Intel's Itanium; the NV30 is NVIDIA’s own VLIW experiment gone bad i.e. they have issues with writing the JIT complier driver. NV40 uses SIMD/MIMD techniques just like ATI's R300/R400 families.
3DLab's P10 also uses VLIW designed core.
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The vanilla 6800 is great card, better than the 6600GT,
when you can find a great deal on them. I just received a
$105 rebate back from Best Buy after purchasing the card
with HL2. I also received an extra 10% at checkout. Since
the card also came with FryCry, this made the deal that
more attractive. Unless, you can find a great deal on the
6800, then yes the 6600GT is the best bang for your AGP
buck. Too bad the upcoming X800XL is PCI-E only.
C Snyder
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redrumloa wrote:
WuduFrumm wrote:
also, if you want full quality why do you buy the absolute low end of the fx series? you should've atleast bought an FX5700 and not LE or SE to have a bit more power.
As already stated, cost! :lol: While price shopping the local show ~a month ago it appeared to be the best value. I paid ~$120 for the card, retail box. Considering my previous setup had a Geforce MX 440, this was a step up. It just wasn't as big a step up as i expected :-x
But you still barely beat my newish laptop, Acer 1714 luggable with Geforce 5700 go;-)
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Didn't LE stand for "Loser Edition" :lol:
I have an FX5200 overclocked and it works great
for Doom3, Halflife2 and others at max settings.
And it only cost about $50. Do a google search for
"nvidia coolbits" it will direct you to over
clocking your nvida chips.
Plaz