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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Linchpin on January 07, 2005, 04:54:59 PM
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Well ill be dammed! Maybe you all know about this, but :
M$ Spyware Remover! (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&DisplayLang=en)
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lol, so this removes all the non-m$ spyware? :lol:
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What's it do? Uninstall Windows? :-P
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The catch is: It's free now. Just wait and see for how long... (prediction: as enough users have been made dependant on the tool, it will become subscription software)
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I read an article on Yahoo yesterday that said Microsoft is going to make Anti-Virus software and SpyWare removal software. It mentioned something about one or the other being free, and then they would start charging for it. Typical tactic for them.
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Well, as i always say - No knocking it till u try it. Seems to work well here. :-D
What? It thinks c:/windows/command.com is spyware?
hahahaha joke :D
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The question to ask ourselves is - are Amiga owners being spied on?
I know a lot of people are using Jabberwocky(?) with MSN... and I've
noticed my Voyager web browser always sends a few packets somewhere
when I close it down...
Maybe we've become a little too complacent.
I remember the Amiga net game dynAMIte used to read some library and
display your system configuration to other potential combatants too!
I wonder what AMIGA software is secretly doing the dirty on us!
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DynaMite spyware,what planet did you come from..hmm perhaps it can be used in the next Jmaes Bond Film
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Typical tactic for them.
There is nothing wrong with charging for software. It has made them successful.
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I wonder what AMIGA software is secretly doing the dirty on us!
Spyware could be embedded in the A1 rom? Good possibility? :-D
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dslcc wrote:
Typical tactic for them.
There is nothing wrong with charging for software. It has made them successful.
Charging for software is not the tactic.
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I wouldn't touch an MS product for spyware removal or virus removal with a bargepole, personally.
Competition in the internet security software market is paramount. How great would it be for every PC to have the same known exploits in its spy/virus checker? :-(
I hope to God this never takes off.
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Take note that not only do you need to have IE6 installed (?) but it is also paired with it's new Windows Authentication program (Although you are not forced to comply as of yet).
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It's like Larry Flynt saying "I declare war on pornography!" or Tony Blair saying "I do actually give a {bleep} what the British electorate thinks!".
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PMC wrote:
It's like Larry Flynt saying "I declare war on pornography!" or Tony Blair saying "I do actually give a {bleep} what the British electorate thinks!".
I agree! How can anyone even *think* this will be produced for AmigaOS? The only spyware it will remove is for X86 boxes!!!!
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What...?!
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Well, what it boils down to is whilst its free and seems to work better than the others, im gonna use it.
Its not really M$ written, more M$ Skinned.
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They bought/snatched Giant AntiSpyware, which has been a decent commercial tool..
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I never tried it before .. Seems like a good app tho.
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Enjoy it as it is now, it'll become bloated and unstable soon :-(
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Is anyone surprised? As soon as anti-spyware apps became popular, a market opened and Microsoft exploit markets. Even if they never charge for this tool they can use its addition to sell Windows, or to deflect the criticism that they aren't doing enough to tackle spyware that may be reducing sales. It's good sales acumen. And users will appreciate it.
As experience shows though, third party is almost always better than Microsoft offerings, no matter who they licence/rip them from.
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I will stick with Ad-aware and spybot for my usage..
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You guys complain about everything. Microsoft knows there is a problem with spyware (which isn't their fault to begin with) so they offer a free product to deal with it. Just like they proviced a free pop-up blocker, firewall, and soon antivirus software. In the near future, if their email "caller-id" validation system is accepted, they will be dealing a huge blow to spam. I applaud their decission to spend money (that they didn't have to!) to provide much needed software.
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Sort the problem, don't treat the symptom.
It's one thing for other companies to design spyware software, but MS should be fixing the holes instead, not trying to come up with a subscription service to profit from the holes.
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adolescent wrote:
Microsoft knows there is a problem with spyware (which isn't their fault to begin with) so they offer a free product to deal with it. Just like they proviced a free pop-up blocker, firewall, and soon antivirus software.
Hmmm, I never use IE because of the security holes and I never get spyware. Over 90% of spyware comes in through IE and Microsoft have done nothing about it.
Their firewall and pop-up blocker have security flaws in them that can be exploited, which means by themselves they are not safe.
Now that a spyware app is owned and will probably be integrated into Windows it will undoubtedly have security flaws in it too.
I've yet to see a Microsoft program that doesn't have a big book of security flaws. If you want to protect yourself from viruses, spyware, adware etc use reliable 3rd party software and not the Microsoft stuff.
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Vincent wrote:
adolescent wrote:
Microsoft knows there is a problem with spyware (which isn't their fault to begin with) so they offer a free product to deal with it. Just like they proviced a free pop-up blocker, firewall, and soon antivirus software.
Hmmm, I never use IE because of the security holes and I never get spyware. Over 90% of spyware comes in through IE and Microsoft have done nothing about it.
Funny, I've run IE for years and never had spyware either. Although, I don't install programs like eDonkey, Opera, etc. that have spyware and/or adware built in. Saying that Microsoft does nothing about holes in IE is wrong. Microsoft regularly releases patches for discovered vulnerabilities, as do other browser authors like Mozilla, etc.
Their firewall and pop-up blocker have security flaws in them that can be exploited, which means by themselves they are not safe.
Now that a spyware app is owned and will probably be integrated into Windows it will undoubtedly have security flaws in it too.
I've yet to see a Microsoft program that doesn't have a big book of security flaws. If you want to protect yourself from viruses, spyware, adware etc use reliable 3rd party software and not the Microsoft stuff.
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YOu're missing the point. So, you're saying that MS should not try to protect the millions of users that use their products? Like I said, you guys complain...
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mikeymike wrote:
Sort the problem, don't treat the symptom.
It's one thing for other companies to design spyware software, but MS should be fixing the holes instead, not trying to come up with a subscription service to profit from the holes.
They are fixing the holes. Did you not see the dozen or so patches that came last year?
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I don't install programs like eDonkey, Opera, etc. that have spyware and/or adware built in.
OPera doesn't have spyware or adware. it has banner ads, that's all. i barely notice tham and because i don't use IE i have better protection. and i've never had a problem.
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mikeymike wrote:
Sort the problem, don't treat the symptom.
It's one thing for other companies to design spyware software, but MS should be fixing the holes instead, not trying to come up with a subscription service to profit from the holes.
I think you're confusing security holes with spyware. Spyware does not need a "hole" to operate from within.
I do understand the hostility towards MS. Nobody want's an American company to succeed.
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cecilia wrote:
OPera doesn't have spyware or adware. it has banner ads, that's all. i barely notice tham and because i don't use IE i have better protection. and i've never had a problem.
Wrong.
Opera is adware
http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=453
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@LinchpiN
Great, you can get an M$ program to RID Winblows of all that M$ Spyware ! :-?
Isn't that like the UN investigating itself on Oil for Food ? :lol:
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adolescent wrote:
Funny, I've run IE for years and never had spyware either. Although, I don't install programs like eDonkey, Opera, etc. that have spyware and/or adware built in. Saying that Microsoft does nothing about holes in IE is wrong. Microsoft regularly releases patches for discovered vulnerabilities, as do other browser authors like Mozilla, etc.
Have you checked to make sure you don't have spyware? It doesn't always announce itself... :) I know that this stuff will auto install itself. "Microsoft security"... isn't that an oxymoron? ;)
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Well I noticed a popup box when going to msn.com telling me that adaware had been found on my system and I should consider removing it and installing M$'s free solution.
Is that not spyware?
Personally I use a combination of adaware and Spybot but I think spybot is the best.
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believe it from me who works with this {bleep}E everyday.
spyware IS microsofts problem. and this new program is {bleep}E.
dont use it. they didnt make it anyway, they bought it from someone else who started it.
microsoft dont know their ass hole from their mouth hole.
end of story.
AMIGA OS is the best in the world and anyone who disagrees is a moron..
GREETINGS..
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Whilst I agree that they are trying their best to correct the problem,
the situation is pretty much like it is in Iraq.
People will always have the urge to attack Microsoft because they are
a big monopoly, crushing diversity and opinion in their path.
People start using Linux and then Microsoft goes on about how Linux
infringes patents and starts threatening them.
I don't like to see anyone ganged up on, but I suspect Microsoft have
had their fair share of government tax cuts and slack cut for them.
Just as I suspect the Japanese government has for it's big player
Sony.
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adolescent wrote:
mikeymike wrote:
Sort the problem, don't treat the symptom.
It's one thing for other companies to design spyware software, but MS should be fixing the holes instead, not trying to come up with a subscription service to profit from the holes.
They are fixing the holes. Did you not see the dozen or so patches that came last year?
The only one I can think of that reduced the possibility of spyware was the changes to the prompts in IE about running/installing stuff.
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I didnt notice the patches... untill i formatted the other day and had to reinstall them all.
Thank god for Broadband. I feel really sorry for Dialup subscribers (especially ones on a pay as you go service!)
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mikrucio wrote:
believe it from me who works with this {bleep}E everyday.
spyware IS microsofts problem. and this new program is {bleep}E.
dont use it. they didnt make it anyway, they bought it from someone else who started it.
microsoft dont know their ass hole from their mouth hole.
end of story.
AMIGA OS is the best in the world and anyone who disagrees is a moron..
GREETINGS..
Well done. Have you declared a war against the bloatware producing "infidels"
Are you planning on strapping explosives against yourself and detonating them in the nearest microsoft funded building?
You sir are a true fundamentalist and quite clearly a moron yourself.
:-|
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mikrucio wrote:
believe it from me who works with this {bleep}E everyday.
spyware IS microsofts problem. and this new program is {bleep}E.
dont use it. they didnt make it anyway, they bought it from someone else who started it.
microsoft dont know their ass hole from their mouth hole.
end of story.
AMIGA OS is the best in the world and anyone who disagrees is a moron..
GREETINGS..
Once again, ESL rears its ugly head.
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Not sure why they are bothering there are plenty of free tools to remove spyware That work fully without crashing .
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DonnyEMU wrote:
I will stick with Ad-aware and spybot for my usage..
Giant AntiSpyware could find twice as much spyware in a recent test in the MikroBitti mag (Finland).
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I stick with AdAware 6.0 Pro, real time scanning of everything that comes in. It does put a little load on the processor but that´s what pc´s are made for :lol: Can´t remember when I had an item found by AdAware ... and for surfing I use Opera V7.54 with the option ´block unwanted pop-ups´ activated in the tools menu ... :-)
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AFT. :pissed:
But even so it seems they can release any heap of crap and watch it sell to the masses.
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Giant is the company that Microsoft bought and their new program IS from Giant..
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HopperJF wrote:
AFT. :pissed:
But even so it seems they can release any heap of crap and watch it sell to the masses.
You mean, like MS BOB? The MS cordless phone? Someone's in the Kitchen? Freestyle Pro? WinG? IE Channels? Image Composer? I wasn’t aware the masses were beating doors down to find these! :-?
Or were you perhaps thinking of DirectX (which beat Glide and OpenGL) and Word (beat WordStar and WordPerfect) and Excel (Beat Quattro and VisiCalc.) and PowerPoint (beat endless sea of crappy apps)?
Seems to me, those titles all won on their own merits…
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FastRobPlus wrote:
...and Word (beat WordStar and WordPerfect)
I still prefer Lotus :-P
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Vincent wrote:
FastRobPlus wrote:
...and Word (beat WordStar and WordPerfect)
I still prefer Lotus :-P
Gimme GeoWrite anyday!
-*edit*-
On second thought - only if I get to use an Okimate 20. None o' this Okimate 10 garbage!
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You mean, like MS BOB? The MS cordless phone? Someone's in the Kitchen? Freestyle Pro? WinG? IE Channels? Image Composer? I wasn’t aware the masses were beating doors down to find these!
Just a note from someone who was a wee bit involved with WinToon and WinG development in the past:
These api's were meant as a bridge between Windows 3.1 and Windows 95. Windows 3.1 video drivers didn't know much about writing to off screen buffers. WinG was never meant as any kind of long term solution. DirectDraw surfaces are an outgrowth of all of that..
IE channels are still KINDA there but hidden.. Most useful are they if you have pocket pc's.
And who didn't love BOB back in the days of Program Manager. Someone had a sense of humor.. The barking dog along with Paperclip made it to MS Word help :-)
The point I am making is a good technology company isn't afraid to experiment and make available short term solutions along with their core technologies..
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DonnyEMU wrote:
You mean, like MS BOB? The MS cordless phone? Someone's in the Kitchen? Freestyle Pro? WinG? IE Channels? Image Composer? I wasn’t aware the masses were beating doors down to find these!
Just a note from someone who was a wee bit involved with WinToon and WinG development in the past:
These api's were meant as a bridge between Windows 3.1 and Windows 95. Windows 3.1 video drivers didn't know much about writing to off screen buffers. WinG was never meant as any kind of long term solution. DirectDraw surfaces are an outgrowth of all of that..
IE channels are still KINDA there but hidden.. Most useful are they if you have pocket pc's.
And who didn't love BOB back in the days of Program Manager. Someone had a sense of humor.. The barking dog along with Paperclip made it to MS Word help :-)
The point I am making is a good technology company isn't afraid to experiment and make available short term solutions along with their core technologies..
Hey Donny.
Did you work on BOB? If so, I have a question... The smiley face lolypops they handed out as a ship celebration. What's thier shelf-life? Mine's still in my desk from 1995, and I'm worried that it may no longer be safe to eat.
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Hum,
Update:
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"Soon after Microsoft announced their new anti-spyware offering, I went to download it, and discovered (as everyone else has) that they confusingly hide the actual download behind a process designed to guarantee that you have an authorized version of Windows running.
If you read the instructions carefully, you can get around actually running that check. While my version of Windows is perfectly legitimate, I saw no reason to tell Microsoft about it again and avoided the authorization check process.
However, others are beginning to wonder why Microsoft is forcing people to prove they have a legitimate version of Windows just to download their anti-spyware application. After all, the whole reason Microsoft needs to offer this product is because they can't be bothered to actually fix some of their security holes.
This sets up a weird set of incentives for Microsoft, whereby they might think they're better off pushing out buggy code, and then only allowing authorized users to patch it, as a way to catch those who are unauthorized.
It seems unlikely that Microsoft would actually stoop this low, but there have to be better ways to work on getting more authorized copies of Windows out there."
From techdirt.com (http://techdirt.com/articles/20050117/1252224_F.shtml)
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But apart from that i like it....
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@blobrana
In general the people complaining about this new free software are the ones that can see no good come out of Redmond. If Microsoft made Windows free, open source, and paid you $20 to use it they'd still find something to complain about.
As a paying customer, I had no problem letting Microsoft validate my Windows license. It was a good check to make sure nobody had stolen it at least.
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Hum,
yeah i agree.
Though i could think up of a simple future scenario of M$ cornering the spam/spyware/viri checker market (with little competition), and those people who don’t or can’t download it (because they don’t have a licence key) will infect others with genuine windows etc...
The software is only as good as the speed of the updates; the virus/flaw usually comes first - then the patches....
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adolescent wrote:
@blobrana
In general the people complaining about this new free software are the ones that can see no good come out of Redmond. If Microsoft made Windows free, open source, and paid you $20 to use it they'd still find something to complain about.
As a paying customer, I had no problem letting Microsoft validate my Windows license. It was a good check to make sure nobody had stolen it at least.
Having not read through this thread completely, all I can say is that when I downloaded it i used firefox and no validation of my windows licence was carried out.
When I rebooted into my Windows XP x64 partition, I used IE and I let it validate my licence. I've even let Visual Studio Beta send feedback to MS from XP x64. :-o
I'm carrying out a little experiment, XP64 will only have microsoft software (other than winuae), and I want to see how long it is before everything dies. :-D
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Hyperspeed wrote:
Whilst I agree that they are trying their best to correct the problem,
the situation is pretty much like it is in Iraq.
People will always have the urge to attack Microsoft because they are
a big monopoly, crushing diversity and opinion in their path.
People start using Linux and then Microsoft goes on about how Linux
infringes patents and starts threatening them.
I don't like to see anyone ganged up on, but I suspect Microsoft have
had their fair share of government tax cuts and slack cut for them.
Just as I suspect the Japanese government has for it's big player
Sony.
Japan has already two sizeable PC vendors e.g. Parkard Bell (NEC) and Fujitsu.
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mdma wrote:
adolescent wrote:
@blobrana
In general the people complaining about this new free software are the ones that can see no good come out of Redmond. If Microsoft made Windows free, open source, and paid you $20 to use it they'd still find something to complain about.
As a paying customer, I had no problem letting Microsoft validate my Windows license. It was a good check to make sure nobody had stolen it at least.
Having not read through this thread completely, all I can say is that when I downloaded it i used firefox and no validation of my windows licence was carried out.
When I rebooted into my Windows XP x64 partition, I used IE and I let it validate my licence. I've even let Visual Studio Beta send feedback to MS from XP x64. :-o
I'm carrying out a little experiment, XP64 will only have microsoft software (other than winuae), and I want to see how long it is before everything dies. :-D
Windows XP x64 beta is time bombed btw.
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adolescent wrote:
@blobrana
In general the people complaining about this new free software are the ones that can see no good come out of Redmond. If Microsoft made Windows free, open source, and paid you $20 to use it they'd still find something to complain about.
For the effects of free MS Windows; one could look at pirated Windows rates in Asia.
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Hammer wrote:
mdma wrote:
adolescent wrote:
@blobrana
In general the people complaining about this new free software are the ones that can see no good come out of Redmond. If Microsoft made Windows free, open source, and paid you $20 to use it they'd still find something to complain about.
As a paying customer, I had no problem letting Microsoft validate my Windows license. It was a good check to make sure nobody had stolen it at least.
Having not read through this thread completely, all I can say is that when I downloaded it i used firefox and no validation of my windows licence was carried out.
When I rebooted into my Windows XP x64 partition, I used IE and I let it validate my licence. I've even let Visual Studio Beta send feedback to MS from XP x64. :-o
I'm carrying out a little experiment, XP64 will only have microsoft software (other than winuae), and I want to see how long it is before everything dies. :-D
Windows XP x64 beta is time bombed btw.
I really expect it to die on me before the 360 time limit runs out!
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Hum,
Yeah, well it’s free...
(er, like viruses)
But i suppose if M$ had made a secure produce in the first place, then there wouldn’t be all those jobs created to fix it...
Prepare thyself for 13 security updates on February 8th...
(for Windows, Office, Media Player, Messenger, Sharepoint and Framework...)
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FastRobPlus wrote:
HopperJF wrote:
AFT. :pissed:
But even so it seems they can release any heap of crap and watch it sell to the masses.
You mean, like MS BOB? The MS cordless phone? Someone's in the Kitchen? Freestyle Pro? WinG? IE Channels? Image Composer? I wasn’t aware the masses were beating doors down to find these! :-?
Or were you perhaps thinking of DirectX (which beat Glide and OpenGL) and Word (beat WordStar and WordPerfect) and Excel (Beat Quattro and VisiCalc.) and PowerPoint (beat endless sea of crappy apps)?
Seems to me, those titles all won on their own merits…
No, no and no.
Word sucks, its unstable, even the OS X version. I find the good free Abiword program just as useful and its free.
Excel does nothing most other half-decent spreadsheet packages do. Powerpoint, well.. you can always tell the difference between a Scala and a Powerpoint presentation.
Internet Explorer sold to the masses. So did Microsoft Windows.
Two major examples how MS get away with anything.
If any other company had released such tripe then they would have been dead and buried many years ago.
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blobrana said:
"...But i suppose if M$ had made a secure produce in the first place, then there wouldn’t be all those jobs created to fix it..."
And Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
If M$ could really have anticipated everything that any friggin' malware creep might ever manage to spawn against dopes like me and had tried to legislate against it, we'd still be running in DOS and the Amiga would be where the pc is today....issuing anti-spyware downloads and requiring us to register our OS25 license numbers....hmmm
I just spent all weekend reinstalling Win98 'cos I got a spy in my box on Friday, which knackered the whole shebang.
Well I'm going for it...'cos hindsight is a wonderful, wonderful thing!
JaX
EDIT: Seems that users of Win98 need not apply....bugger!
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I have been running microsoft anti-spyware for nearly a month now.. It works great and does some things to restore your browser to it's default settings. I still use a multi-product solution however..
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DonnyEMU wrote:
I have been running microsoft anti-spyware for nearly a month now.. It works great and does some things to restore your browser to it's default settings. I still use a multi-product solution however..
I installed VNC on my parents PC so I could remote access them when they get stuck and phone me.
MS Antispyware says that VNC is a major security risk and reccomends to delete it! lol