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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: samo79 on December 21, 2004, 07:35:42 PM
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After OS4Emu for MorphOS, now is a turn of a MorphOS Emulator for AmigaOS 4.0 ...
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-12-00113-EN.html (http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-12-00113-EN.html)
The first grab
http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu.jpg (http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu.jpg)
http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu2.jpg (http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu2.jpg)
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No surprises there then. I had expected it sooner in fact. For sure the OS4 crowd have a lot more to gain from an emulator than the MOS crowd do - there is painfully little in the way of OS4 software MOS people don't already have. But not so the other way around.
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Well well well... I can only say it is very cool :-)
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you're so funny.
:lol:
most "old" amiga programs that were written well run under OS4. and using petunia, they even run fast!
and DVplayer plays dvd's, so what's the problem? no one needs emulation.
unless you really NEED showgirls, which is a way cool little program. but i'm just as happy to run that on my peg and have something else on whatever uA1 i may get in the future.
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For sure the OS4 crowd have a lot more to gain from an emulator than the MOS crowd do - there is painfully little in the way of OS4 software MOS people don't already have. But not so the other way around.
Yawn... Yes, Kenny, yes :-)
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samo79 wrote:
After OS4Emu for MorphOS, now is a turn of a MorphOS Emulator for AmigaOS 4.0 ...
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-12-00113-EN.html (http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-12-00113-EN.html)
The first grab
http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu.jpg (http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu.jpg)
http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu2.jpg (http://s.guillard.free.fr/OS4/mosemu2.jpg)
So now it doesn't matter which system you get... just get the cheapest :-D
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Well well well... I can only say it is very cool
You may want to try running it on your OS 4 emu once it comes out :-)
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Has any one tried Running the OS4emu in the MOSemu in the OS4emu on MOS?
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Or even try running the MOSemu in the OS4emu in the MOSemu on OS4?
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Rogue wrote:
The same goes for those that have been saying for years that MOS is so superior to OS 4 - do they use OS 4 software in spite of their superiority claims?
What OS4 software do they use, Rogue? I've never found anything released for OS4 that is worth running on MOS, with the simple exception of VICE, and that doesn't work anyway. For sure there is no large collection of OS4 software. I've been through OS4depot a dozen times and found nothing I would want to use that I don't already have. On the other hand OS4 users theoretically could use mldonkey or mplayer or commercial games or a hundred other useful tools built up from two years of being a finished OS with a decent developer base.
OS4emu has been fun from a technical point of view, and it's been moderately entertaining watching you and your brother talk (edited by Admin: trolling) about piracy and threaten legal action about it. But it's been of no current use to the average MorphOS user, and we can't use stuff from OS4 itself because that would be piracy. Why emulate open source apps?
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Probably wont work :) Both emulations depend on features not available on each others.
I should go hide under a rock now... about two years ago I stated on finnish amiga ml that emulating each others would be impossible. Here we go :)
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I should go hide under a rock now... about two years ago I stated on finnish amiga ml that emulating each others would be impossible. Here we go :)
:lol:
Well, consider this, both emulators are AFAIK, far from complete. I don't expect Ambient to run on it anytime soon.
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@KennyR:
VICE *works*. Some features dont work like 1351 mouse emulation but other than that it seems to work fully. I hope amidog implements overlay support soon :)
But this is only tip of ice berg. As I see emulation is on OS4EMU 1.1 level, i.e. only not-so-complex GUI software is possible. Nevertheless this is chance for MorphOS users to show they have got better software.
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Hooray! Now that software can run on both platforms, we're closer to closing the rift in the community!
Or so I thought. This thread is already a borderline warzone. C'mon, folks, take it easy. These emulation tools will make things a lot easier for developers that compile for both systems.
As for the software base, of course MOS has more software right now - it's been "released" for at least a year and a half, whereas OS4 has only been available in public beta for, what, six months? With such a head start for MOS, it's totally unfair, not to mention completely invalid, to compare them.
Can't we all just get along?
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Matt_H wrote:
Hooray! Now that software can run on both platforms, we're closer to closing the rift in the community!
Either that or everyone will stop releasing software in paranoia that the other side might use it. ;-) Actually, knowing the community, this will probably be what happens.
As for the software base, of course MOS has more software right now - it's been "released" for at least a year and a half, whereas OS4 has only been available in public beta for, what, six months? With such a head start for MOS, it's totally unfair, not to mention completely invalid, to compare them.
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@itix
Oops, I forgot. I mixed up VICE with something else I think.
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Negativity, I love it. Seems to be all the more common nowadays. No need for {bleep}yness :-D
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@KennyR
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The only program i would to use right now from MOS is Mplayer, and a OS4 native version is coming.
I don't care about both emulators, you too, MOS zealot? :-/
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For sure there is no large collection of OS4 software. I've been through OS4depot a dozen times and found nothing I would want to use that I don't already have
Sure there are overlaps. I just don't see the truth in your statement that OS 4 users need MorphOS software - they do not, as much as you do not need to use OS4 software.
OS4 users theoretically could use mldonkey or mplayer or commercial games or a hundred other useful tools built up from two years of being a finished OS with a decent developer base.
As usual, you have a slight hang for exaggeration. We do have AMP, DvPlayer and Moovid for video playback, which is about everything I could ever want. There are hardly many commcercial games for MorphOS (or AmigaOS for the matter), and the hundred of useful tools are mostly unix ports. Sorry, big deal. Sadly, it doesn't look different on OS 4, but that is one of the problems we have in this community.
OS4emu has been fun from a technical point of view, and it's been moderately entertaining watching you and your brother "Talk" about piracy and threaten legal action about it
I don't think I ever thretened legal action. Please point me to somewhere I did so.
My concerns about piracy are valid, as I explained already. Some things like Reactions are only available on the OS 4 CD.
I also didn't write much about it, maybe a handful of comments. Most of them have been in german.
But it's been of no current use to the average MorphOS user, and we can't use stuff from OS4 itself because that would be piracy.
I'm confused now. You accuse me of "whining about piracy" and now admit that piracy would be a possibility (although, as far as I am aware, it cannot load libraries and hence loading Reaction classes wouldn't work - yet).
As far as whining goes, you could have skipped your original commentary and just for once said nothing.
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Can't we all just get along?
No. If we could at least ignore each other, things would already be an improvement, but as you can see from comment #2, it's too easy to fire a cheap shot at the opposition. The problem is people like KennyR that need to stir the cup, and people like me that always have to swallow the bait.
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about two years ago I stated on finnish amiga ml that emulating each others would be impossible. Here we go :)
I guess some UAE/Shapeshifter-type approach would always work. Impossible is the wrong word, but I would also have guessed that it would be too much work to be worth the effort.
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@All
So when do we get AROS emulation for OS4, MOS and vice versa?
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Well it was bound to happen. Lets just see if it can catch the level of OS4Emu. its being updaated very fast.
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I'm confused now. You accuse me of "whining about piracy" and now admit that piracy would be a possibility (although, as far as I am aware, it cannot load libraries and hence loading Reaction classes wouldn't work - yet).
It works in both ways. Similarly could be claimed that mosemu users may pirate MUI PPC from MorphOS cd - since it is full version and works without key.
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So now it doesn't matter which system you get... just get the cheapest
AROS!
P.S. Let's try to keep it civil.
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Rogue wrote:
As usual, you have a slight hang for exaggeration. We do have AMP, DvPlayer and Moovid for video playback, which is about everything I could ever want. There are hardly many commcercial games for MorphOS (or AmigaOS for the matter), and the hundred of useful tools are mostly unix ports.
Existing commercial applications for native MorphOS: Software Tycoon, Knights and Merchants, Tales of Tamar (native build), Birdie Shoot, Burnit 3, Papyrus Office. (That's not counting the WarpOS/Warp3D games and apps that can also be run.)
Existing commercial applications for native OS4: Freespace.
I'm not exaggerating anything, there's a gulf, and it's more to do with alienating commercial companies and lack of developers than being a young OS. And let's not forget those useful open source packages where source has been available for a year or so and nobody has ported them to OS4 despite obvious user interest. Once again I go back to my original point: emulating OS4, almost pointless. Emulating MOS, much more rewarding. But as I remind users again, why go to the expense of buying AmigaONE hardware if they want to run "evil non-amiga software"? It would be quite embarassing from an OS4 user POV if the bulk of their software would come from emulating an OS they have spent years decrying and defaming and telling everyone they won't use because it's not AmigaOS.
I don't think I ever thretened legal action. Please point me to somewhere I did so.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=14&topic_id=8409&post_id=107703&viewmode=thread&order=0#107703
(There are some other really funny gems in there, too.)
Your other comments are on Amiga-news, and in German. I could link them if you want, but you'll probably know them already.
I'm confused now. You accuse me of "whining about piracy" and now admit that piracy would be a possibility (although, as far as I am aware, it cannot load libraries and hence loading Reaction classes wouldn't work - yet).
Piracy is always a possibility, emulation or not. And I'm not whining about it. You were. Although your protests about emulating wrappers did come to rather an abrupt halt yesterday, I wonder why.
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ikir wrote:
The only program i would to use right now from MOS is Mplayer, and a OS4 native version is coming.
Yes yes ikir, everything is coming. Just around the corner, just a few more weeks.
I don't care about both emulators, you too, MOS zealot? :-/
Zealot? :lol: Have you ever read your own posts occasionally?
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Whilst I promised myself I'd not post here, I guess I'm going to anyway...
What is so bad about either platform's emulation of the other? Surely it means that developers get a slightly wider possible audience, which would help encourage them to develop more, right?
It also means that normal (read non-fanatical) users get to sample some of the software that the alternative has to offer and perhaps dispell any misconceptions they have about it.
Am I alone in thinking this is a not a bad thing :-?
Oh well, flame on, I guess...
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KennyR wrote:
But as I remind users again, why go to the expense of buying AmigaONE hardware if they want to run "evil non-amiga software"?
They wouldn't want but it's nice to have this as a plus, just like the MorphOS users wouldn't mind to have AmigaOS 4 emulator as plus. But in the long run they get board for which there is still supported Amigalike OS, and not just another expensive Linux Box, supporting only *nix derivatives (and not all of them).
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i thought bb had killed mos so an emulater for it would be pointless as we would have nothing to emulate
but as 4 the os4 emu for mos i can see why they would want this at least then they will have somthing decent to run on their pegs
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Zealot? Have you ever read your own posts occasionally?
I'm called "fanatic" only because i own an A1, it is a sad fate. You instead have a distorted vision of the facts.
MPlayer for OS4 is coming, or shoul coming, 2 good coders are working on it. Maybe 2 week, or 2 months, 2 years i don't know. But someone is working on it, instead attacking every OS4/A1 users outhere :-)
It is hard to argue with you, simply because some people only want to see what they want. I don't care too much for these "emulators".
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KennyR wrote:
rogue:
I don't think I ever thretened legal action. Please point me to somewhere I did so.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=14&topic_id=8409&post_id=107703&viewmode=thread&order=0#107703
Kenny, that is so funny! Threat of legal action (from the link):
ajk:
it is not illegal
rogue:
The legality can be disputed, if it really came down to it. Unless you are a lawyer, I wouldn't be too sure.
So that's a therat of legal action?! Hahaha! You really are a tosser aren't you!
(There are some other really funny gems in there, too.)
Are they as damning as the above one? Hold the front page!!
Does anyone take this joker seriously? :lol:
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Hope you will not need TP for your bunghole... :-)
I look forward to the full release of this emu.
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@Karlos
Am I alone in thinking this is a not a bad thing
I think it's just you and me bud.
I think some people need to calm down/grow up.
THEY ARE JUST COMPUTERS FFS!!! :roll:
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Well, I asked people to be civil. I guess that's not possible when you mix oil and water. So, I'm locking this topic. Thank the usual suspects. They don't know who they are, trust me.
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Posts moderated at the behest of KennyR after locking.