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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Science and Technology => Topic started by: KennyR on December 19, 2004, 10:02:08 AM
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Times are changing faster than ever, and old technologies that have only just reached their pinnacle are being replaced. The technologies I grew up with are disappearing. I'll list a few of the more major ones.
The LP: I still remember vinyl records, I'm ashamed to say. The CD format is technically far superior and offers stereo, but some music conniseurs believe that CD sound is flat and soulless (that's more do to with the added harmonics of the LP needle than the reproduction of the music itself). But for all intents and purposes, LP is dead.
The audio tape: Crackly, fuzzy, mono, and offering less quality than radio, audio tapes are hardly ever used any more except for recording, and digital is replacing them there too.
The floppy disk: Standard 1.44 Mb but actually capable of around twice that, floppies just don't hold anything near the space we need today. Flash cards, USB sticks and packet-writing CD writer software have made them obsolete. Many PCs now are not sold with a floppy drive at all.
The incandescent bulb: being slowly replaced by fluorescents, LEDs and HID bulbs, all of which are much more efficient and last longer. The incandescent will stay for a while longer because it's so cheap and it still hasn't been matched in high output applications, but it's day is coming fast.
The CRT screen: cathode ray tube technology is under attack by LCD, TFT and plasma screens, all of which offer better compactness, efficiency, and visual quality. The CRT is likewise still around because its cheap. Expect to see it disappear totally within the next 10 years.
The VCR: betamax gets its eventual revenge. Digital is pushing this old analogue magnetic tech out of our lives after less than 15 years of popularity. Many stores have stopped selling VCRs totally and most movies are released only on DVD. We still lack a format to record as easily as VCRs did, but dvd-recorders and hd-recorders are making leaps and bounds.
Analogue broadcasts: Although they'll still be around a long time to come, analogue TV, satellite and radio transmissions are slowly in the way out, actually more for reasons of air bandwidth than the superior quality.
There's some of the technologies I've known in my lifetime that are now gone or swiftly on their way out.
Can anyone think of any more technologies that have been around for ages but that we're likely to see disappear in less than a decade?
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In a decade, now that's tough. I can think of a few which are definitely on their way out, though:
The compass --- to be replaced with the GPS/Galileo receiver. Doesn't suffer from magnetic declination effects. And works anywhere on Earth. Is still impossible to beat in terms of price and simplicity, which secures its use for a good many years yet.
The barometer for altitude measurement --- also to be replaced with the GPS/Galileo receiver. Doesn't suffer from weather conditions which require frequent calibration.
Penicillin --- thanks to sloppy prescription and use, bacteria have become more and more resistent to it. Superbugs which are nigh impossible to kill are appearing all over the world.
Any type of battery save very small or specialised ones --- to be replaced with fuel cells.
Hydrocarbon fuel --- to be replaced with hydrogen fuel. Is a very slow, expensive transition, but it will eventually happen.
The Amiga --- overpriced, underpowered. 'Nuff said.
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The sinclair ZX spectrum. Within a decade, I won't be able to find the parts needed to keep mine in working order :-(
;-)
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Conventional film cameras (and X-ray film too)
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Have they invented digital X-ray sensor cells?
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Cymric wrote:
Penicillin --- thanks to sloppy prescription and use, bacteria have become more and more resistent to it. Superbugs which are nigh impossible to kill are appearing all over the world.
Penicillin actually became useless around the late 60s thanks to mass perscription for every single ailment in the 50s. These days pharmasists use different penicillin derivatives and augmenting additives. Ever heard of augmentin, potassium clavulanate? It blocks the enzyme that bacteria use to protect themselves against penicillin. Once it's no longer effective they'll design others. The chemical war against bacteria will probably go on forever...
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Innovation is good. Go for the new stuff!
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KennyR wrote:
The LP: I still remember vinyl records, I'm ashamed to say. The CD format is technically far superior and offers stereo, but some music conniseurs believe that CD sound is flat and soulless (that's more do to with the added harmonics of the LP needle than the reproduction of the music itself). But for all intents and purposes, LP is dead.
:-o Ashamed? I'm proud to remember vinyl! :-D
The sound is not just to do with harmonics, but also the facts that music nowadays has the very top and bottom frequencies shaved off to get rid of the hiss. You lose some of the original music when they do that.
I can never listen to Metallica's Fade to Black on CD (and it's not due to a bad transfer - the remastered versions are just as bad) because some of the sounds are missing or a hell of a lot quieter.
And vinyl isn't dead, it's just hard to find :-P
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Laser vinyl players have a sound quality (frequency range, power distribution, harmonic distortion etc) so far in excess of CD it's comical.
Those things really play exactly what was recorded - the only artifacts you hear are whatever the recording arm produced.
Let's be honest about it; CD audio sucks really. 16-bit is not enough resolution when dealing with logarithmic data and 44.1kHz is only just enough to satisfy the shannon-hartley rules for human hearing. They have to filter it with a 22kHz cutoff before they can digitize the sound reliably otherwise you get artifacts etc that are the bane of digital recording.
Compare CD audio to 96kHz 24-bit audio on high end systems and you will the difference. Laser vinyl sounds much more comparable to the latter ;-)
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The idea is to keep on forcing people to buy the same music over and over again. Unfortunately, once the 96 kHz, 24-bit music makes its entry in the living room, there is no need any longer for further improvement: humans simply can't hear any better. (Some people claim that they do, well, some people claim to have been abducted by aliens too :-).) Besides, if you look at the utter crap (amplifier, speakers) people use to listen to their CDs, you can really, really wonder what good encoding at the higher frequency range will do. Then there is the problem of the acoustic properties of the room, and so on, and so forth.
So I think the recording industry will continue to sell lots of CDs for quite a while yet :-).
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@ Karlos
And thats not even mentioning that with a optical pickup you can play even old broken stonecakes. Swedish radio bought a pair of advanced swiss recordplayers just for that.
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KennyR wrote:
The floppy disk: Standard 1.44 Mb but actually capable of around twice that, floppies just don't hold anything near the space we need today. Flash cards, USB sticks and packet-writing CD writer software have made them obsolete. Many PCs now are not sold with a floppy drive at all.
It was the USB-memory that finally did it.
The CRT screen:.
Forgot OLED that is gonna take away the last advantages of CRT brigthness and angel.
The VCR:
It gets integrated to a computer system. Because frankly harddiskrecorders is expensive and cheap dvd-recorders is crap.
Analogue broadcasts:
"Silent keys" in CB-amateur magazines. Analog is literaly dying.
Can anyone think of any more technologies that have been around for ages but that we're likely to see disappear in less than a decade?
The CD-ROM: It´s in the same position floppys was a few years ago, around only because it´s bootable.
The oilburning boiler:Its too expensive. And it´s not becoming cheaper..
The electrical home heating:It´s already dead.
3G mobiles:People like mobiles with actual coverage :lol:
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@ Kenny
"...Have they invented digital X-ray sensor cells?..."
Yes, they have. The first such unit I used was in 1996 here in London. It was a charged selenium drum, the surface charge of which was altered by the X-rays that had passed through the patient. A set of brushes then 'reads' the charge difference and maps it out digitally. That DICOM image goes straight to a dry laser printer.
These days: we have other detectors, some semi-flexible in casssette form (you can even do portable X-rays with them) and others are rigid trays that are housed in couch and wall-mounted X-ray units.
Thus you can have an entire hospital that is filmless, which means you don't need a darkroom, or any processing chemicals at all. The Hammersmith Hospital in London has been filmless for almost 7 years. The radiographs are now stored on a computer database instead of hardcopy films being stored in a filing room.
This also means that you can have a chest X-ray done at one of these facilities with digital imaging and the radiograph can be reported by the radiologist at home (over the net) or even a specialist overseas.
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McCain's Micro-Chips.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
McCain's Micro-Chips.
:lol:
Are they going to be replaced with real cardboard? ;-)
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:lol:
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@KennyR:
Both The LP: and The audio tape: (reel tot reel and cassette) were stereo in their ultimate incarnations.
Re: The floppy disk: Standard 1.44 Mb [...] that was a big one. I remember the 5 1/4 inch that held, what was it? 350 Kb or thereabouts.
The incandescent bulb: - Good riddance!
The CRT screen: and good riddance again.
but yeah, times change.
Black and White television? How I miss it. Well, not really.
Film is becoming a specialty kind of thing. If the pixel densities on cameras keep going up, film will disappear.
Answering machines were big once, but now every telephone service provider offers voice mail. The home machines are still around for those that really want one, but I don't know many people that have them anymore.
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Vincent wrote:
that_punk_guy wrote:
McCain's Micro-Chips.
:lol:
Are they going to be replaced with real cardboard? ;-)
:lol:
It's true - one of the few food products where the packaging tasted better!
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Pot noodle and shredded wheat also spring to mind...
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Hmmm. Pot Noodle < - > Not Poodle; frankly I wonder if the latter can really be true :lol:
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Greetings,
The Amiga - ..
Any technology on this decade: In the next decade the technology of *this decade, that include *all PC'S, would certainly be obsolete by the next decade or so, naturally. As the old saying goes: Nothing lasts forever Well, maybe only diamond. :-)
If I would put something in my time capsule I'd put all my Amiga stuff in it and let the future generation dig it out in mint condition. If I can design a better time capsule, that is. Unless People would be obsolete!@!@@! Pretty scary thought there! :nervous:
The earth will be obsolete. Replaced by a New Earth. Then the old one will just be destroyed *Billions of years now.
Anyway, back on topic, I'd just use the present and past technology to it's limits or adapt past technology to present needs/technology. To me, that's more fun than installing a new WindowsOS [insert new version here] to a new Pentium[Insert new CPU version here].:lol:
Where is the 'FUN' in all that? It's better to have fun than being 'IN' with technology IMHO. :-)
Regards,
Gizz72
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I think that CRTs will be around for quite a while to come, maybe not in things such as TV's, but certainly in things requiring ultra high presision such as video editing or commercial photography. I have yet to see ANY LCD screen that comes close to a high end CRT.
I think perhaps Plasma might become more popular as time goes on, certainly from what I've seen the picture quality is certainly as good as LCD, though in one shop recently I saw a plasma screen in a shop window in bright daylight, to say the picture was vibrant and sharp would be to do it a disservice. It was far in excess of anything I've yet seen in an LCD screen, and to top it all off, it was cheeper by half over the LCD screen sat next to it which looked in comparason, pants.
I think that whilst I'm loath to admit it, digital convergance might (finally) be starting to take shape.
I think that the whole server/ (reletively) dumb terminal setup may be making a comeback.
big arse server under the stairs, with something the size of those mini itx based systems in replacement for a full blown PC, a games console hooked up to it, maybe your stereo, and a couple of NAS drives dotted around the place.
I don't forsee the need for P4 toasters and fridges (though the latter would be interesting to see) but who knows.
The future will be interesting if nothing else.
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Bah, I quite like Shredded Wheat. Well, I used to.
As for dying technologies, I just bought a Hi8 Handycam on eBay. :-D
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Dying technologies:
The Telephone.
Not because it was time to go, but because phone companies are still charging roughly the same for basic phone service they did in the 70's, and offer you the same simple crummy 2-wire connection.
Magnetic tape.
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Crap mobile ringtones...
Back in 1987, people used to say that my Speccy +2 sounded tinny and horrible.
Fast forward 18 years and you too can pay for the privilidge of downloading a truncated, tinny and unrecognisable version of popular chart music to play on your mobile when it rings, thus guaranteeing that everyone else in the shop/train/bus will think you're a total saddo.
Which is exactly why my mobile plays the theme to Rainbow or Fraggle Rock... Doh!
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My mobile phone has an equal beep as a backwards driving truck
I had a newer telephone with polyphone ringthingies, but I wasn't satisfied with that thing mainly because of the lousy battery durability. And that ringtone I used on that one (also the most simplistic) sounded like a fire alarm.
(polyphone) ringtone melodies is annoying bullcrap.
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KennyR wrote:
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The LP: I still remember vinyl records, I'm ashamed to say. The CD format is technically far superior and offers stereo,
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LP is dead.
Are you trying to say that LP's did not offer "Stereo"?
Hmmm - All my 500+ LP's are "stereo"...
And you can't really say they're dead, as you can still buy new LP's with new music (at least you still can here in Cologne).
Some independent artists publish their music exclusively on venyl LP's!
KennyR wrote:
The audio tape: Crackly, ...
Yes, if the music you recorded came from an old, crackly venyl record...
KennyR wrote:
...fuzzy, ...
Depended on the equipement you used ...
KennyR wrote:
...mono, ...
No.
Definitely wrong.
I still have an dual track tapedeck (Uher 22 HiFi spezial)from the early sixties down in the cellar and guess what?
It's stereo.
KennyR wrote:
...and offering less quality than radio, ...
Oh boy - what kind of tape recording maschine did you have back then?
(Or should I ask what happened to your memory?)
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B.T.W.:
Most of the music played by radio stations back in these days came eigther from magnetic tapes or from venyl disks...
So why do you insist in the broadcasted radio sound being superior to the sound quality of the source (be it magnetic tapes or venyl disks)?
That's not quite clear to me - you should explain that!
KennyR wrote:
...audio tapes are hardly ever used any more except for recording, ...
:-?
For what else do you think have they been used in the earlier days then, if not for recording?
KennyR wrote:
...and digital is replacing them there too.
Well - I recently bought 3 stereo VCR's - the last one in the week before christmas.
And I will go for a brandnew cassette tape deck next week.
I do so because here in Europe (Germany) private copies are legally allowed as long as they are analogue and as long you did not circumvent a copy protection mechanism.
I hope all individuals capable of thinking anywhere in the world, where similar law is valid, follow my example for their own sake...
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Dandy wrote:
I hope all individuals capable of thinking anywhere in the world, where similar law is valid, follows my example for his own sake...
Er...are you saying the police is going to knock on my door because I have a bunch of copied CDs? Don't you think you are just a tad paranoid? :-).
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odin wrote:
Er...are you saying the police is going to knock on my door because I have a bunch of copied CDs?
If someone blows the whistle on you - who knows?
odin wrote:
Don't you think you are just a tad paranoid? :-).
No - just "clean" and on the "safe side"...
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Most of the music played by radio stations back in these days came eigther from magnetic tapes
Magnetic Tape does not just mean cassette tape. The Analogue tapes we sued to use in the studio ran at 3 time the speed of a cassette tape and recorded to an area 4 or 5 times larger. Also the magnetic media was some chrome mixture.
Professional Audio Magnetic tape is almost as good as a 24bit 96Khz digital recording :-D