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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: SlimJim on February 20, 2003, 12:06:17 AM
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Read it here:
Interview at amiga.de (http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2003-02-00202-EN.html)
A very good and honest interview if you ask me.
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SlimJim
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Yep.. admitting this month ago would have saved lots of unnecessary FUD calling ...
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Yep.. admitting this month ago would have saved lots of unnecessary FUD calling
I really do doubt that.
It doesn't matter what Amiga Inc. or Hyperion do.
The fudders will be here.
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Well, this should at least convince people that work is still happening and OS4 is still progressing. I don't find anything surprising in these "revelations". In fact, I find it refreshing that Hyperion have the same problems as other developers.
By the time we get our XE's running with all the trimmings, it'll be just about time to make room in the case for the OS4 drive :-)
tony
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@Mountain_Myst:
I believe you are right. Seing how they are actually managing to put a negative spin on the fact that Hyperion just solved the entire problem of 2d driver support and severely reduced the problem of 3d support, I have full confidence that the FUD-slingers in the Amiga community can do the same for just about ANY conceiveable announcement.
Anyway, a good interview. It's nice to know what's going on. My guess is that something will appear next month (first time loading up Workbench on AmigaOne or something like that). Fingers crossed for a release within April. (Yes, I know I am probably a bit optimistic :-)).
Kay
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Man...
I can't even imagine firing up an AmigaOne with OS4 running on that baby.
How it must feel to see workbench boot up in native ppc.
Man, I can daydream about this for ages.
Hope I don't have to though.
Hope it becomes reality very soon. :-o
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I really do doubt that.
It doesn't matter what Amiga Inc. or Hyperion do.
The fudders will be here.
Very true... But giving the reasonable people some reasonable and honest answers to questions is always a good PR move.
Quite honestly, I hope they really are this far along, and they manage to have something to show in the next few months. I'm still not going to hold my breath or pre-order anything, though. ;-)
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Unfortuneately, I don't believe in preorders.
Heh..
Never have.
I've never believed in ANY company that much.
I buy when it's available to the public.
When it's actually tangable.
But to the one's who do preorder, I reckon that's a good thing.
I can't do it though.
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I would pre-ORDER, but I would never pre-PAY.
That's a big and very important distinction.
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SlimJim
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@Joannak
Yep.. admitting this month ago would have saved lots of unnecessary FUD calling ...
And of course you wouldn't be responsible for any of it?
Butter wouldn't melt eh?
Regards
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@Skyraker
Want to compete for scariest Avatar? :-D
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SlimJim
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@slimjim
Bloody orrible init ?
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@Skyraker
Well, it's not directly soothing to the eye...;-)
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SlimJim
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@Slimjim
I fed L8-x some household chemicals, mostly turtle wax, sodium hyperchlorate, windowlene... suspended him upside down from a ceiling fan, and took his picture... carpets a mess though. ;-)
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@Skyraker
Ah. upside down. That was the part I couldn't quite figure
out. Nice touch. The rest is of course pretty standard, when
whanting an imposing avatar - right out of the book, in fact.
;-)
(you don't want to know what I had to do to get a picture of
my avatar).
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SlimJim
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@ mountain
"I really do doubt that.
It doesn't matter what Amiga Inc. or Hyperion do.
The fudders will be here."
Probably because they spent all their money on a big PC already heeheehee...
I hope my OLD 900Mhz Athlon holds on till OS4!
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Thanks for the link SlimJim, that is *much* improved communication from Hyperion. I will give credit where credit is due, thats the kind of thing they need to do...
Do you think they will be FUD'd for that...hehe, maybe, but I'll tell ya what, they got FUD'd worse for the silence--this type of communication is an improvement.
But with that said, the lact of 68k emu integration...which was the main feat OS 4.0 needed to accomplish...the fact that hasn't happened is a huge concern.
and its a legitimate concern too. Given enough time, I'm sure hyperion could complete the task someday....hopefully they'll have enough time.
Given what they said about the rights to port AmigaOS to other platforms if Amiga,Inc. goes bankrupt, and what with their codebase organized in a CVS tree, and ready to go....
:pint:
Here's hoping for a quick bankruptcy!
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I just read the beta OS4 copy thread a second ago, and from what i see i can assume this.
Apparently Downix, is the FUD master...
According to the few leaks about AOS4...
it's not even in Alpha testing yet, as the complete package has yet to be assembled. Some 68k-based components intended for AOS4 are being beta-tested, but they'll have to be re-tested again once the package is assembled.
Sad really.
hehe, perhaps you should have done a little actual research before letting the foul s#!t fall from your mouth. hehehe, i laugh at thee.
I also see that they are quite confident that it has an impending release...
The best bit from the interview however
If Amiga goes bankrupt, our license is commuted to an exclusive license to develop AmigaOS further, for any platform, not just PPC
Almost makes me want amiga inc to go bust, then we may have the possibility to move the platform to already widely spread hardware (eg: x86/64bit hammer etc etc) and increasing the possible audience hugely. IMO it will never be widely accepted by the wider/public community while its stuck on expensive obsolete hardware.
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Lo wrote:
Probably because they spent all their money on a big PC already heeheehee...
Is that warranted?
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actually 'the name"*(TM) would be owned by someone else if A.inc went bankrupt and sold its IP... "The Name" (TM)OS4 might not be able to call itself "The Name"(TM)OS4... it certinly wouldnt have exclusive rights to 'TheName"(TM)....that'd shift alot of opinon I bet..
I think its great that hyperion isnt tied to A.inc though... I've always held them in higher respect then A.inc but these companys (all of them it seems) bieng so quiet is bad in my opinon... bieng so quiet that they let rumors and conjecture rule is never good business practice..
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re: the avatar controversy
HA! You call those things UGLY???
Mine's uglier than both of yours put together, and it only took a few seconds to make.....
The image, I mean. The face itself I've had to work with for over 40 years.
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@ Lo
I just can't wait any longer......This 450Mhz K633D just ain't gitten it any more. I have An AOpen Mb with 2.4 Ghz Intel, and 1056 M of ram on the way. I can't wait any longer my hair is turning grey ( or should I say white ) waiting.
This is good news that there is some movement. I just read a brief article on DMN ( digital media net ) about AMD's new 64 bit processor. I wonder if they will port OS4 to that? Would shure make a toaster migration faster wouldn't it?
Just my 2 cents.
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It doesn't matter what Amiga Inc. or Hyperion do. The fudders will be here.
Glad I'm not a fudder. But I always do have plenty of questions to ask! :-D
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I hear ya, Spiffy..I'll race my 900 Athlon/amithlon against your 2.4 P4 winUAE for a big download, heh *shrug* But your ALL right it is Great News..yes!
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@ Marky_D_Sahd
The image, I mean. The face itself I've had to work with for over 40 years.
Indianna Jone stunt double look? :-D
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@teotwin:
> Apparently Downix, is the FUD master...
Huh? Then you've read a different interview than I have. Regarding the
BH-interview I read, the emulation STILL isn't integrated, and
therefore Downix' comment has been officially confirmed now.
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I can't even imagine firing up an AmigaOne with OS4 running on that baby.
How it must feel to see workbench boot up in native ppc.
Man, I can daydream about this for ages.
Hope I don't have to though
We ALL want to see this.
We've seen MPEG videos online of MorphOS in action on Pegasos systems. You can download pre-release video from video games in development for consoles.
How about some videos showing AmigaONE's booting up into AmigaOS4 workbench? :-D
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@teotwin
Almost makes me want amiga inc to go bust, then we may have the possibility to move the platform to already widely spread hardware (eg: x86/64bit hammer etc etc) and increasing the possible audience hugely. IMO it will never be widely accepted by the wider/public community while its stuck on expensive obsolete hardware.
FUD?
By the way, cute avatar. Do the empty boing balls signify anything? :-D
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@SlimJim
you don't want to know what I had to do to get a picture of my avatar
Is that from DUNE? :-D
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That MPEG, AND a sequel, hehe.
This is GREAT news. The bottom line is, they're low on cash. So, all you coupon buyers, you shortened the amount of time to the AOS4.0 release, instead of getting a T-shirt. Now, for me to send away...
Amiga! "Hello mudder, hello fudder, this is your Amiga from camp...", sings Amy the mascot.
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teotwin wrote:
I just read the beta OS4 copy thread a second ago, and from what i see i can assume this.
Apparently Downix, is the FUD master...
According to the few leaks about AOS4...
it's not even in Alpha testing yet, as the complete package has yet to be assembled. Some 68k-based components intended for AOS4 are being beta-tested, but they'll have to be re-tested again once the package is assembled.
Sad really.
hehe, perhaps you should have done a little actual research before letting the foul s#!t fall from your mouth. hehehe, i laugh at thee.
I also see that they are quite confident that it has an impending release...
What do you mean? The interview once again confirmed what e.g. Downix, the Friedens and Hermans have said before, perhaps minus the 68k part in that specific thread which wasn't addressed at all.
I also note the vagueness and ambiguity about whether SNAP is to be included in 4.0 or a later revision.
I have every confidence in Hyperion and their contributors that they'll pull it off and make it a good product - eventually. But judging from what's said "officially" I don't expect to see it anytime soon, I'm afraid. It's not exactly a question of "OK, we've tested ExecSG and all components now, let's slap'em all together, maybe add some new stuff as we go along, and burn the CDs! Two more weeks!"
There apparently still is no complete OS to "beta test", only separate components. No feature-freeze seems to have taken place yet (the switch to SNAP, doubts about the inclusion of e.g. InstallerNG).
The best bit from the interview however
If Amiga goes bankrupt, our license is commuted to an exclusive license to develop AmigaOS further, for any platform, not just PPC
That's interesting. We've heard that "we've only got a license to do a PPC port" before, and others would be free to take it to other architectures. I think it's odd that they didn't negotiate themselves this license and this exclusiveness before, regardless of AInc being bust or not.
IMO it will never be widely accepted by the wider/public community while its stuck on expensive obsolete hardware.
True (although the Teron PX is "only" a couple of years obsolete if you restrict the comparison to PPC consumer computers). That of course goes for the "you're only allowed to buy this hardware from a 'special' vendor if you want to run AmigaOS" too. Catering only to the very few who are interested in this makes the whole project still-born, commercially. IMO.
BTW, "FUD" is a marketing technique that is intended to make potential customers feel Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about a competing product/company. Everyone, please don't shout "FUD" as soon as you disagree with someone, or when someone expresses a hint of healthy skepticism and reasoning...
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Dunno much about the OS4 development as I'm not really interested in it or the A1, but Ben certainly gained a few personality points in my book.
An honest and frank interview methinks.
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@senex, Unless you have no ability to derive meanings from what people say (as is indended when it is said/written), downix was clearly implying that OS4 is no where near completion, i quote "it's not even in Alpha testing yet" which it seems is completely wrong, do you dispute this??? i didnt think so, and then calling the situation "sad" Do you dispute this??? i didnt think so. Therefor he is spreading doubt! Do you dispute this??? i didnt think so. So once again, i hereby dub downix "fud-master". btw, for my own interest, please tell me what involvement downix has with other operating systems that are not AmigaOS...
@darth_x, you respond with "FUD?" to my post regarding the possibility of the os heading to x86 hardware??? Im honestly not sure what you mean by this, it is more than clear that the paragraph in question was based directly on a quote from Ben within the interview, and is clearly written as my own opinion (my own hope actually) and i have in no way indicated that there is any evidence that this *will* happen. Before i jump to any conclusions, where you refering to my opinion as being FUD?
You also wrote, "By the way, cute avatar. Do the empty boing balls signify anything?" hehe, Well spotted indeed, i only created it last night for my site www.amigamonkey.com (http://www.amigamonkey.com) but realised today that i should have made the balls solid semi-spheres, for asthetic reasons really, but yes, we still have nothing, so everyones boing balls are still empty.
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@seehund
What do you mean? The interview once again confirmed what e.g. Downix, the Friedens and Hermans have said before, perhaps minus the 68k part in that specific thread which wasn't addressed at all.
See my above post. There is still NO doubt in my mind that downix was attempting to portray doubt about the OS. You can continue pull it apart and pick at the details as you like to try and prove him right for one point in the post, but it still leaves the "not in alpha" and "sad" etc comments unaccounted for, you know, the comments that set the tone for the post. And you simply cant deny the disposition of the post if firmly against hyperion, and that appears that downix's intention was to portray hyperions monumental effort as pathetic. You yourself said FUD is a marketing technique (unless i misunderstood the meaning of your comment) So, does downix have any marketing interest in demeaning hyperions AmigaOS?
Regarding the opposing info on "we've only got a license to do a PPC port" v's "develop AmigaOS further, for any platform, not just PPC". Im pretty sure your right on this, although i cant recall where i read the original info from. All *i* can guess is that they infact do have a license only to do PPC, *unless* ainc go bust. However I cant see them (hyperion) addressing this point soon, as i would imagine that it may still be a touchy subject in the community (from the old "which cpu is better" wars).
Anyone here object to a-os on x86/64bit hammer etc?
ps, my updated avatar now has solid balls :-)
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Hmmm...it would seem that the relationship between A - Inc and Hyperion is a bit sketchy
to say the least...to openly discuss protocol
and reassure customers about what may happen
in the event of A - Inc's bankruptcy...
FUDFUDFUDFUDFUD
(just thought I'd say it before someone else
did...even though I'm serious)
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@mips_proc
I think its great that hyperion isnt tied to A.inc though... I've always held them in higher respect then A.inc
I agree.
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Hyperion rocks; it's A-Inc that rubs me the
wrong way at times. :)
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@-D-
Hyperion rocks; it's A-Inc that rubs me the
wrong way at times. :)
With ya 100%
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I agree with most of you. Really a very honest interview, and also very nice to know what's really going on. I am also a bit optimistic, and i guess the release of OS4 is March to April. Isn't that bad at all.
What i know, is that the A1G4XEs are under final betatesting in Taiwan at the moment, ready for shipping, which is definitely good news! I have to say i am very proud of these news. Exactly what we have been waiting for! :-)
Keep it up, guys! Kay, great to see you here again! :-)
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Anyone here object to a-os on x86/64bit hammer etc?
Any (im)possible porting of AmigaOS to little-endian weaklings is years away anyhow - not OS 4.x.
I personally wouldn't like to get such a system.
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> Keep it up, guys! Kay, great to see you here again!
I do drop by now and then :-). Still holding my breath for my G4XE.
Forresten, eg såg du leita etter harddiskar...har du sett "Ukens Tilbud" på komplett.no denne veka?
Kay
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JoannaK wrote:
Yep.. admitting this month ago would have saved lots of unnecessary FUD calling ...
Probably, and by yourself not the least...
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ps, my updated avatar now has solid balls :-)
very nice. but I think they actually looked better hollow ! did you do them by hand ?
if so its a sterling effort !
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teotwin wrote:
ps, my updated avatar now has solid balls :-)
At least they are not chocolate and salty :-P .
Sorry I just couldn't resist.
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Every avatar should have a solid set of balls! ;)
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@Agafaster
very nice. but I think they actually looked better hollow ! did you do them by hand ?
if so its a sterling effort !
unfortunately, no, i didnt use my hands to play with my sterling balls... Used a pc with lightwave & composited in photoshop
Im debating making them hollow again, with a few mods, mabye different color squares internally, grey? Being the logo from amigamonkey.com, i should make them brass, ie, brass monkey balls... does anyone have a feezer? i may have an experiment to try ;-)
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I think your avatar looks real good.
As a matter of a fact, that's what is was thinking earlier when nobody was talking about it.
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@#Mountain_Myst
I think your avatar looks real good.
As a matter of a fact, that's what is was thinking earlier when nobody was talking about it.
much appreciated... btw, its supposed to form the letter "M" (as is amiga *M*onkey) did anyone notice, or do do you think i need to tweak it more?
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is there anyway we could get a short summery of whats going on and rough idea how long for os4 for A1 and 1200ppc ? in latems terms
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@teotwin,
they look even better now !
(sounds like a load of old balls to me)
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@teotwin
Yeah, the empty spheres work and form the M well :-D
Nah, the 'FUD?' comment was for...
Almost makes me want amiga inc to go bust, then we may have the possibility to move the platform to already widely spread hardware
I
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So far, Hyperion have NOT proved that AmigaOS4 is in alpha and actually boots up to workbench. Ben Hermans posting to a message board is not proof.
So.. if AmigaOS4 is for real, I want REAL proof by then end of March. March was mentioned as the launch (but not release or shipping date) of AmigaOS4.
It doesn't matter to me if OS4 is finished, or shipping, or even completely bug-free, or even crashes occasional.. All that I will accept.
The challenge:
An MPEG video posted on the internet showing AmigaOS booting up into a workbench screen with functioning mouse and graphic user interface..
That's all I want to see.. some proof that this system exists and works. :-D
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@Darth_X
Exactly!
Its the same old drill you know....AOS4 is always a couple months away. Keeps everyone waiting, don't ya know. And it works remarkably well.
So well in fact, that if you want to maintain any credibility at all, you have to concede against the mountain of optimism that another 'interview' creates....
then a few days later you start hammering away at their credibility again.
Same old same old, until the product is released.
I want the product to be released, but who knows when that will be.
If Hyperion knew the answer, they could say, but they don't know...and its unknown...all this March, April speculation, is once again.....made up by the faithful, unconfirmed by the people really in the know--Hyperion.
NO ONE SAID MARCH OR APRIL FOLKS, right now that is JUST WISHFUL THINKING. How many years of wishful thinking before some of you develop some skepticism???
geez....sigh....I loved redrumloa's quote in another thread....these are the days of our lives...
:-)
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@teotwin,
after you mentioned it, I could see the 'M'....before that it was probably working on me at a subconscious level :-)
do you see my avatar, its a boy throwing a bird into a bears mouth....people don't seem to get that at first.
:-)
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I want REAL proof by then end of March
Proof? You can either believe me or not. We're not in a court, I am not the defendent, and I don't need to prove anything.
An MPEG video posted on the internet showing AmigaOS booting up into a workbench screen with functioning mouse and graphic user interface..
And then some. Every idiot on the planet will tell you it is faked, as much as they told you that the dual G4 is a fake, the AmigaOne bootlog is a fake, and about everything else is a fake. Someone will step up and tell you that he has 100% reliable source that OS 4 will not come out before the end of the year, or that we sacrifice little critters in druid groves to speed up the process.
Yeah, I aplogize. I am in a bad mood today.
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Hi Rogue
Don't take it to your heart ... Darth_X is just an jealous MorphOS fan ... jealous that he made the wrong choice ;-)
I hope you will get a nice weekend and good work :-D
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@hnl_dk
I am so NOT a jealousd MorphOS fan. Sure, I have an interest in Pegasos & MorphOS. I have an interest in all kinds of new technology.
And Pegasos & MorphOS are VERY exciting.. a new computer platform & OS!
You assume that I have no interest in AmigaOS4, but that's not true. You don't know me.
When AmigaOS4 becomes functional and working, I hope to see it up and running at a tradeshow such as Cebit.
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JoannaK wrote:
Yep.. admitting this month ago would have saved lots of unnecessary FUD calling ...
....said the communities biggest "Fud Spreader"....
Ever thought of getting a job on a Farm ? :-P :-P
Nice article just curious on what state warp3d will be in when the os ships or we still be limited as to what GFX will can buy because of the 3d support.
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Hyperion guys you can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?
Users want to see products instead of just way to much talking and making announcements,
You have to love those announcements though, i might go and order a Amijoe card and a Boxer board and must get one of those Amiga 5000 machines like those announcements claimed in the past.
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Users want to see products instead of just way to much talking and making announcements
So one day people are bitching because no status reports is given, and when one is given, there is way to much talking. Oh well...
You have to love those announcements though, i might go and order a Amijoe card and a Boxer board and must get one of those Amiga 5000 machines like those announcements claimed in the past.
As Rogue pointed out, you can blame Hyperion for the last year, but NOT for any boxer, amijoe, Gateway, Viscorp, Escom and any other announcement for that matter. It's simple really: they didn't have ANYTHING to do with it.
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Darth_X is just an jealous MorphOS fan ... jealous that he made the wrong choice
I am so NOT a jealousd MorphOS fan
Looks like two schoolgirls bickering. In the next two posts well see Henning go "Gucci mirror" Showing Darthx the palm of his hand and Darthx go " Whaaet eveer" :-D
Sorry Henning Sorry Darth. This one was just too obvious :-)
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
Hyperion guys you can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?
I should be honored, especially because this was posted by a man of action and not of words...
Users want to see products instead of just way to much talking and making announcements,
You have to love those announcements though, i might go and order a Amijoe card and a Boxer board and must get one of those Amiga 5000 machines like those announcements claimed in the past.
Contrary to those mentions above, Hyperion is know to have actually delivered products, like Heretic II, Shogo, Freespace, Quake II, Mac stuff. Thomas and me have done Warp3D, among other things.
So yes, I can. Can you?
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Darth_X wrote:
@hnl_dk
I am so NOT a jealousd MorphOS fan. Sure, I have an interest in Pegasos & MorphOS. I have an interest in all kinds of new technology.
And Pegasos & MorphOS are VERY exciting.. a new computer platform & OS!
You assume that I have no interest in AmigaOS4, but that's not true. You don't know me.
When AmigaOS4 becomes functional and working, I hope to see it up and running at a tradeshow such as Cebit.
Sorry for calling you an MorphOS fan ... I'm just tired of all those (including You) people attacking every great news about Amiga, just to attack it!!!
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Sorry for calling you an MorphOS fan ... I'm just tired of all those (including You) people attacking every great news about Amiga, just to attack it!!!
I'm just tired of the same old, same old. Since boring years... Express skepticism, you are enemy. Regardless that it turns out you were right, or you were wrong. I'm glad to see so many with the faith, and sad to see so many with fanatic hate. I have little faith left.
Guess what? "Oh, it's late, but it's a good thing, it gives us more features, it will be better." This mantra goes on since years.
Fanatics worship Haage, then turn away and declare them public enemy. I say most of us (or better I say, you) are simply and willingly blind.
Having said that, I have to express that I take it for granted that OS4 will be released and prevail. I just got fed up. Tired of lies and the officially supported hatred towards those questioning things, expressing criticism. Honest interviews like this are needed.
I was glad that it all came to light, and I do respect Hyperion for telling the truth. I promise you, I will buy OS4 for this action for my BlizzPPC when it will be available. Yet I shake my head seeing ppl trying to turn it into actually "good news". A situation almost identical to what was 4 months ago... I tell you what. There may be so called FUDders (very misleading and erroneus expression), who try to make everything look bad. But there are just as much, if not even more blindly optimistics, worshipping the slightest news item into great leaps forward.
I'm a bit relieved now. For those hating fudders, check back threads from a few months before - most FUDders were right... AmigaOS4 in november, december, january, february, now march, april... This blindness and hatred towards those telling the opposite is pretty tiring. Honest reports worth much more than empty hype...
Sorry for being so disillusioned, what I'd like to express that I'd like to see reports like that in the future. Less hype, less lies, frank and open reports. No one will die hopefully if a few months of delay occures, no one will live longer if it comes a few months earlier than expected.
That's what I wanted to tell... (pretty confusing and probably bitter, but hey, I'm really sorry for that) It's just me.
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Well Guys
This is a very complicated situation. I have been "lurking" on Amiga.org, ANN, MooBunny and all kinds of other discussion areas. Everyone is taking sides... Very few people actually have SCOPE on the situation. HYPERION is doing the BEST THEY CAN considering the resources ( which a bulk of the Ben Hermans interview is about) AINC has no money and is an extremely small company. I have not been a big fan of their actions as of late like most Amigans. The silence, the promises, etc.... As an exhibitor at most major Amiga shows the past 5 years I have come to know mosf of these people. Bill and Fleecy are actually really down to earth aproachable and likable people.. I've spoken via Live broadcasts with Hyperion and those guys are VERY COOL, FUNNY, and obviously Talented. They have single handeldy done more for the Amiga than most people outside of the original people like D.Haynie, Havermost, Petro, Jay M., RJ, and others..
Give them a break! They arent making ANYTHING on OS4 YET its probably COsting them money to do it! As you can see from the interview the "Petunia" guy has had alot going on which helps explain the problem with 68k emu intergration. If Hyperion had funding I would be typing this on my A4000T with Cyberstorm PPC and os4.0! They have to pay bills like the rest of us...
As far as MORPH OS and GENESI... Hey they are doing good things! BUT THEY HAVE FUNDING! Thats why things are happening. I dont know Bill Buck but he seems to have a head on his shoulders and a general good honest person judging from his posts. Also, the team they have from PHASE 5 who as far as I'm concerned - if it wasnt for them we wouldnt even be having this conversation! PEGASOS is Cool so is OS 4, its amazing this OS is still in exsistance. BE OS had tons of money poured into over the years and look where it is, in the can.. These people like Hyperion, A inc, former Phase 5, GENESI, and others are the reason Amiga is still competitve and a great platform. I'm writing this on a Titanium IBOOK but perfer my PPC 4000T!
Keep up the work guys.
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Darth_X wrote:
So far, Hyperion have NOT proved that AmigaOS4 is in alpha and actually boots up to workbench. Ben Hermans posting to a message board is not proof.
They may have a different alpha and beta regime compared to the other camp.
It doesn't matter to me if OS4 is finished, or shipping, or even completely bug-free, or even crashes occasional.. All that I will accept.
Their level of completeness may be different to your view.
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interview the "Petunia" guy has had alot going on which helps explain the problem with 68k emu intergration
I don't know about such problems of Rachy, the "Petunia guy". I suppose Ben was referring to the guy who has to integrate it to OS4, not the author of Petunia.
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Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have been developed purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says , "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book, 'Well That About Wraps It Up for God.'
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.
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@Desler
LOL!
:pint: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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@Paul_Gadd
You have to love those announcements though, i might go and order a Amijoe card and a Boxer board and must get one of those Amiga 5000 machines like those announcements claimed in the past.
BOXER is selling here.. http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/boxer/ (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/boxer/)
:-D