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Hello
The country that i have to go to in my lifetime would have to be Japan. I really like anything that is it do with technology. And Japan is probably the most technially advanced country there is. So it would be right up my street. But i would also like to visit the country for its ancient history and culture as well.
Regards,
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Canada, Russia, Svalbard, Arctica, Antarctica and New Zealand (again....and I wouldn't mind living there at all). Oh and I really need to visit Eastern Europe.
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For me it's New Zealand.
The climate is temperate, the scenery is spectacular, it's a mountain bikers paradise, it's the middle of summer there and it's as far from damp, flat, grey and dreary Essex as it's possible to get, while still keeping your feet dry on this planet.
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And you've got like a gazillion different landscapes and climates in one (relatively small) country! Sort of like a mini-Earth :-D.
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I can't believe nobody suggested Skegness :lol:
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Let's see: Canada ,Norway, and the WWII museums in Britain. :-D
Actually I would like to visit Olympus Mons, and see the scenery and skyscape on IO.
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
Hello
The country that i have to go to in my lifetime would have to be Japan. I really like anything that is it do with technology. And Japan is probably the most technially advanced country there is. So it would be right up my street. But i would also like to visit the country for its ancient history and culture as well.
Regards,
Mine would most definately have to be Cuba.
Before Castro dies too, as we all know the minute he pop's his clogs those soldiers in Guantanamo bay will be "Liberating" those poor Cuban people, so they are free to work for US corporations and buy US products and vote in the US election when it becomes the next US state.
I really want to see this beautiful country and witness for myself the good and the bad aspects of living under a Communist dictator.
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mdma wrote:
Mine would most definately have to be Cuba.
Before Castro dies too, as we all know the minute he pop's his clogs those soldiers in Guantanamo bay will be "Liberating" those poor Cuban people, so they are free to work for US corporations and buy US products and vote in the US election when it becomes the next US state.
I really want to see this beautiful country and witness for myself the good and the bad aspects of living under a Communist dictator.
Do you thinks the Cubans would want to become the 51st State? Just asking you opinion. (Have to qualify my questions so nobody thinks I have some political agenda. :-D )
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Hum,
Antarctica,
before it melts....
@bjjones37
shouldn’t that be 47th State?
[There are 46 `states` and 4 `independencies`(?) of America]
i forget what the other four are called:
Perhaps, someone else remembers...
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odin wrote:
Canada, Russia, Svalbard, Arctica, Antarctica and New Zealand (again....and I wouldn't mind living there at all). Oh and I really need to visit Eastern Europe.
Idem, plus actually whole Scandinavia and Mongolia and China
And I'm going to Scotland next week :banana:
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blobrana wrote:
Hum,
Antartica,
before it melts....
:lol:
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bjjones37 wrote:
mdma wrote:
Mine would most definately have to be Cuba.
Before Castro dies too, as we all know the minute he pop's his clogs those soldiers in Guantanamo bay will be "Liberating" those poor Cuban people, so they are free to work for US corporations and buy US products and vote in the US election when it becomes the next US state.
I really want to see this beautiful country and witness for myself the good and the bad aspects of living under a Communist dictator.
Do you thinks the Cubans would want to become the 51st State? Just asking you opinion. (Have to qualify my questions so nobody thinks I have some political agenda. :-D )
I wouldn't think so.
Even if every single last person on the Island wanted to get rid of Castro and embrace capitalism, why would they want to give up their sovereignty and national identity to another power? One day your Cuban, the next you are American. I don't think so.
Changing your economic and politcial systems is one thing, losing your nationality is another.
Look at all the trouble about the EU over here in the UK, we don't mind trading with the EU but no one wants to stop being British and become Euroish? ;-)
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mdma wrote:
Look at all the trouble about the EU over here in the UK, we don't mind trading with the EU but no one wants to stop being British and become Euroish? ;-)
tsk, as if we're not Dutch anymore
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After centuries of beating off various parts of europe at one time or another (and loosing half the time, it has to be said) many brits feel like the EU is simply another way for Europe to rule the UK.
I think one way of putting it is this, if you ask a dutchman his or her nationality, they may say either dutch or european depending on who is asking. If a brit or a scott or welshman is asked, it will always be british, scottish or welsh respectively every time.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
mdma wrote:
Look at all the trouble about the EU over here in the UK, we don't mind trading with the EU but no one wants to stop being British and become Euroish? ;-)
tsk, as if we're not Dutch anymore
I'm not talking about being a member state of the EU. I have no problem with that at all.
The way I see it: The very-anti european parties in Britain like the Tory's and UKIP believe that one day the EU will become a country, not a collection of countries working together like it currently is.
To my point clear about the Cuban's I ask, what nationality are the natives of Hawaii?
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After centuries of beating off various parts of europe at one time or another (and loosing half the time, it has to be said) many brits feel like the EU is simply another way for Europe to rule the UK.
AHEM! it's really also vice versa
You British fought a 100 years for dominance over France.
the_leander wrote:
I think one way of putting it is this, if you ask a dutchman his or her nationality, they may say either dutch or european depending on who is asking. If a brit or a scott or welshman is asked, it will always be british, scottish or welsh respectively every time.
I think you're wrong on that one. Europe is a faraway thingy.
@mdma
I know, but I was more aiming at those who think that way.
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In no particular order:
Lake Titicaca
Machu Pichu
Antarctica
Rub al-Khali
Mare Imbrium :-)
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New Zealand, Ireland, and Patagonia (part of Argentina - assuming they ever get a safe and stable government).
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Was New Zealand, but I've just come back from there (It's currently the country I would like to live in full time). Next on the list is Peru and Chile - through Easter Island - to Fiji and back to NZ. Although that's not going to be a while :-)
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Cymric wrote:
Mare Imbrium :-)
Hmm, mountain biking on the moon, just imagine the "air" (excuse pun) you'd get in 1/6 gravity?
Count me in :-)
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Xand wrote:
New Zealand, Ireland, and Patagonia (part of Argentina - assuming they ever get a safe and stable government).
They are all Welsh in Patagonia (http://www.patagonia-argentina.com/i/content/la_gente_galesa.htm)
I assume it's because there are a lot of sheep there! ;-)
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@ Blobzie
"Hum,
Antarctica,
before it melts...."
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Surely you mean the arctic?
(or do you mean 'before the ice on antarctica melts' ?)
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X-ray wrote:
@ Blobzie
"Hum,
Antarctica,
before it melts...."
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Surely you mean the arctic?
(or do you mean 'before the ice on antarctica melts' ?)
That's a joke, x-ray
in the eccentric and likeable humourous way of Blobrana :-)
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I would love to see the England, Scotland and Ireland, as well as New Zealand and Hawaii, probably won't get there for a while yet, but it will happen eventually.
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@ Toy Boy
Yup, isn't she great?
(I do get the joke, but I thought it would be better if she didn't choose a continent for her 'melting' quip)
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@PMC
Should've realised you were into biking (your avatar is a dead giveaway). I like to bike too, unfortunately, here in the neighbourhood there is not so much suitable terrain. There is supposed to be a very nice trail through the dunes about 40 km from here with a maximum height difference of *gasp* 50 meters! (Which is really a lot according to Dutch standards.) How do you fare where you live?
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Hum, beach sand is the worst thing ever...
Gets everywhere, and mixed with oil becomes a fine abrasive destroying your chain....
@x-ray
yeah, i meant to write `arctic`, but didnt bother editing...
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
After centuries of beating off various parts of europe at one time or another (and loosing half the time, it has to be said) many brits feel like the EU is simply another way for Europe to rule the UK.
AHEM! it's really also vice versa
You British fought a 100 years for dominance over France.
Where did I say we didn't? Indeed I don't think theres a European country we haven't faught against at one time or other.
the_leander wrote:
I think one way of putting it is this, if you ask a dutchman his or her nationality, they may say either dutch or european depending on who is asking. If a brit or a scott or welshman is asked, it will always be british, scottish or welsh respectively every time.
I think you're wrong on that one. Europe is a faraway thingy.
I've yet to hear anyone on this island outside of polititians who openly go around saying "I'm european" over that of "I'm "
The ironic thing about all of this is that I feel that the UK has a more world centric view of the world compared to that of europe.
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mdma wrote:
The way I see it: The very-anti european parties in Britain like the Tory's and UKIP believe that one day the EU will become a country, not a collection of countries working together like it currently is.
When the leaders of Germany and France are saying just that, which they have, and when the shyster who came up with the constitution that would put into practice a form of governance not seen since the fall of Soviet Russia is saying thats the aim, I take note.
I may be considered by some as a "Little Englander" (Which by the way I personally find highly offensive) but really, anyone who cannot see this comming into being really aught to look very carefully at the constitution that was written up (And before anyone asks, yes I have read it). Once you learn to decode beaurocrat speak, you're left with a picture of utter ineficiency and a breading ground for corruption on a superb scale, all run from Brussels with no recourse by national governments to oppose it. You want a system thats flexable and efficient (for the most part) look to the US, not the USSR. States can challenge federal law if they so wish I believe, the EU constitution offers countries no such power.
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Sorry for going completely off topic.
The falkland Islands, purely for the recent history of the place.
Other places I'd like to visit include Canada, Iceland and Greenland. Maybe Ireland as well... Been to Wales and Scotland.. France, Germany Spain and Denmark...
I'd visit Sweeden but for the fact that the beer is stupidly overpriced there :-D
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New Zealand seems popular. I'm going to have to go for that too. It really is the most fantastic place I've ever been to. I'd absolutely love to live there.
My favourite place in NZ is a pebble beach at Kaikoura. One day, when I was feeling stressed and tired, I stumbled across this fantastic pebble beach with nobody on it. I sat down, watched and listened to the waves of the aqua-green Pacific Ocean, the perfect blue sky, the seagulls, and the cliffs of New Zealand stretching off into the distance and I felt so relaxed, possibly the most chilled I've ever been.
The funny thing is that this beach wasn't mentioned in any of the guidebooks and unfortunately I don't even have any photos of it.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
And I'm going to Scotland next week :banana:
Speel, if you're passing through Essex (as in Hoek Van Holland - Harwich ferry) then I'll buy you a pint :pint:
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When I was about 13 and living (briefly) in Cape Town, my father took me for a drive one Friday evening along the coastal road out toward Sea Point.
The sun was going down out to sea and lights were starting to be turned on in the houses that dotted the mountainside next to the road.
We pulled over to watch the sun set. Behind us were the mountains silhouetted against the blue/black sky with lights glowing from windows. Above was a sky that changed in colour from dark blue, through cyan, magenta, red and finally a vivid orange around the horizon as the sun set. The sea was glowing with what can only be described as a metallic turquoise colour. This was accompanied by the gentle sound of the surf washing up a nearby rocky beach.
I was very nearly moved to tears by the overwhealming beauty that was all around me, and one day I hope to watch the sun set there again.
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PMC wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
And I'm going to Scotland next week :banana:
Speel, if you're passing through Essex (as in Hoek Van Holland - Harwich ferry) then I'll buy you a pint :pint:
Alas, I'm going with the airplane, from Eelde to Aberdeen
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@Speel,
Have a good time up in Aberdeen and don't forget to say a big hello to all the regular Aberdonian posters here!
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Cymric wrote:
@PMC
Should've realised you were into biking (your avatar is a dead giveaway). I like to bike too, unfortunately, here in the neighbourhood there is not so much suitable terrain. There is supposed to be a very nice trail through the dunes about 40 km from here with a maximum height difference of *gasp* 50 meters! (Which is really a lot according to Dutch standards.) How do you fare where you live?
@Cymric,
Yeah, as Blob pointed out sand plus chain oil makes a fantastic grinding paste, destroying your chain, rear cassette and chainrings in the process. You also end up sinking right to the hubs in dry sand, while wasting a lot of power.
Actually the terrain in my part of Essex is probably less hilly than you describe. There are a few decent trails around though with some nice countryside views. The mud is a mixture of clay/sand and sticks to your frame/tyres/clothing like chewing gum to the pavement!
Glad you approve of the Hope M4 hydraulic disk brake in my avatar. I have then fitted to my Enduro and they stop on a sixpence.
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blobrana wrote:
Hum, beach sand is the worst thing ever... Gets everywhere, and mixed with oil becomes a fine abrasive destroying your chain....
Yes, that's why I don't use oil, nor Teflon spray to lube my chain. I use something called Supreme Black, which is a suspension of wax in various alcohols with just a teensy bit of oil. The theory is that the oil is sucked into the bearings of the chain through capillary action, and the wax creates a dry, hard, somewhat flaky, and non-stick outer coating. I haven't tested it fully yet---dune biking is very heavy-going and I need to build up some stamina first :-)---but I've read sufficient stories of people on the 'net who are pretty enthusiastic about it.
Now of course chain cleaning and lubing is almost a Holy Issue, but to me it sounds like it might work.
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New Zeeland and Canada.
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PMC wrote:
Glad you approve of the Hope M4 hydraulic disk brake in my avatar. I have then fitted to my Enduro and they stop on a sixpence.
I've been on more or less permanent lookout for decent brakes. I am quite a heavy fellow, and I don't trust the regular V-brake pads very much. Do you have experience with both?
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Cymric wrote:
PMC wrote:
Glad you approve of the Hope M4 hydraulic disk brake in my avatar. I have then fitted to my Enduro and they stop on a sixpence.
I've been on more or less permanent lookout for decent brakes. I am quite a heavy fellow, and I don't trust the regular V-brake pads very much. Do you have experience with both?
Yep, I certainly have!
My Spesh Rockhopper was supplied with Avid rim brakes, which were the most powerful I'd tried at that point in time. However after a winter ride when my bike got clogged with mud their shortcomings were readily apparent.
I fitted a set of Hope Mini brakes to the Rockhopper and was amazed at the difference. They stop you on a dime in all weathers, didn't noticably wear (even during a week long session on the mountainsides of north Wales) and don't rub the rims when muddy. Oh, and the brake fluid only needs bleeding about once every two years or so.
Even if you're a serious heavyweight, a set of Hope Minis will stop you without issue. For my Enduro I went for M4s, which are four calliper units - purely because the Enduro is more of a downhill / freeride bike and I wanted a little extra security. Hydraulic disks are the upgrade that made THE biggest difference to my biking enjoyment.
Oh, and as for lube the wax stuff is good but AFAIR it's only suitable for dry weather as it washes off easily. I use it in summer though.
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whabang wrote:
New Zeeland and Canada.
New Zealand is soooo pretty, I'm not sure it actually exists! :-D
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Hum,
you mean it was all just CGI in Lord of the Rings...?
@Speelgoedmannetje
where in Aberdeen...? and when? (or why?)
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Oh Canada, Our Home and Native Land
True Patriot Love, and oh the Suns come up (?)
With glowing hearts, we see thee rise
Over true North strong and free!
From far and wide, Oh Canada
We stand on guard for thee
God keep our land glorious and free
Oh Cananda, we stand on guard for thee
Oh Cananda, we stand on guard for thee!
yeah anyway, Canada
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Wasn't speel's sister in the Land of the Scots?
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JonoPike wrote:
Oh Canada, Our Home and Native Land
True Patriot Love, and oh the Suns come up (?)
That thing you're connected to is called the internet. You can look this stuff up on it quite easily:
O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
Very patriotic for such a hippie country!! ;-)
Oh yeah. Um, I always wanted to go to Japan. I have a friend who wants to go to Russia. Maybe we'll do that. Last but not least: Scotland.
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Wasn't speel's sister in the Land of the Scots?
Aye! :-)
blobrana wrote:
@Speelgoedmannetje
where in Aberdeen...? and when? (or why?)
Dunno yet where in Aberdeen, I'm, going to Aberdeen the 23rd of December, and my sis is living there atm (for a couple of years, working there with her expertise of psychology)
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I was trying to learn the lyrics through the Terrance and Phillip/Saddam Hussein episode of Sout Park, but the actors sound like a beaver trying to sing whilst coked out its mind.
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blobrana wrote:
Hum,
Antarctica,
before it melts....
Just been reading through this.... that is a VERY good point blobrana
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Actually, watching Saturn rise in the skies of Titan would be nice - assuming you can actually see Saturn through the thick smoggy haze...
Oh, and I'd need my thermals too at -180 degrees it's not exactly beach wear weather.
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mdma wrote:
I wouldn't think so.
Even if every single last person on the Island wanted to get rid of Castro and embrace capitalism, why would they want to give up their sovereignty and national identity to another power? One day your Cuban, the next you are American. I don't think so.
Actually given how close the votes in Puerto Rico are, and how close the vote in Cuba was when they voted on it, I think it likely that Cuba would vote to become a state. Economically it would be huge for them, and they would still be Cuban, much like others are New Yorkers, Floridians, Texans or Hawaiians. Given that Cuba is the country with the largest portion of its population living outside the country, I'm not sure it would even be a close if those cubans were repatriated after Castros death. The other worry is that Castro's death will lead to an even larger influx of Cubans to Florida if the government collapses as many think it will. I'm not sure Cuba can afford to lose another 25% of its population to immigration to the US.
-Bill
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Liked Tanzania well enough that I am going back there in May, Ngorongoro Crater and the Serengeti are truly spectacular. Egypt is probably going to be the trip of the year in 2006.
-Tig
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PMC wrote:
Actually, watching Saturn rise in the skies of Titan would be nice - assuming you can actually see Saturn through the thick smoggy haze...
Oh, and I'd need my thermals too at -180 degrees it's not exactly beach wear weather.
It would be nice, but IIRC Titan's rotation is locked with it's orbit, so you'd never see Saturn rise or set. You'd just see it in the sky or not, depending on your position.
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Tigger wrote:
mdma wrote:
I wouldn't think so.
Even if every single last person on the Island wanted to get rid of Castro and embrace capitalism, why would they want to give up their sovereignty and national identity to another power? One day your Cuban, the next you are American. I don't think so.
Actually given how close the votes in Puerto Rico are, and how close the vote in Cuba was when they voted on it, I think it likely that Cuba would vote to become a state. Economically it would be huge for them, and they would still be Cuban, much like others are New Yorkers, Floridians, Texans or Hawaiians. Given that Cuba is the country with the largest portion of its population living outside the country, I'm not sure it would even be a close if those cubans were repatriated after Castros death. The other worry is that Castro's death will lead to an even larger influx of Cubans to Florida if the government collapses as many think it will. I'm not sure Cuba can afford to lose another 25% of its population to immigration to the US.
-Bill
It's for precisely those reasons that I want to go to Cuba before Castro dies.
Maybe if US businessmen were allowed to trade with Cuba, then there wouldn't be as many Cubans swimming to Florida.
As a republican you should be disgusted that your government is restricting your freedom to trade and make money.
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mdma wrote:
It's for precisely those reasons that I want to go to Cuba before Castro dies.
Why so interested in seeing a poorly run communist dictatorship with people in poverty. Lots of more interesting countries to visit in the Caribbean.
Maybe if US businessmen were allowed to trade with Cuba, then there wouldn't be as many Cubans swimming to Florida.
What exactly is Cuba going to sell us that is going to help Cuba's economy?? The cigars really arent that good anymore, and frankly most everything else is cheaper/better elsewhere.
As a republican you should be disgusted that your government is restricting your freedom to trade and make money.
What if I am a democrat?? I mean should I be disgusted as well, or do I not care about things like that?? If I didnt like Carter because he got several of my friends killed, is that what made me a Republican in your mind??? No US president (Democrat or Republican) nor congress (Democrat ran or Republican ran) has seriously tried to change US Cuba policy is that a failure of both parties in your mind, or just the Republicans. Why in your mind is the US REQUIRED to trade with Cuba?
-Tig
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Why so interested in seeing a poorly run communist dictatorship with people in poverty. Lots of more interesting countries to visit in the Caribbean.
Because it is so unlike the country I or you live in. I don't know about you Tigger but I am interested in different cultures, and how other people live.
What exactly is Cuba going to sell us that is going to help Cuba's economy??
I was thinking more along the lines of what you could sell them that would improve the life of the average Cuban.
Why in your mind is the US REQUIRED to trade with Cuba?
I thought you were the land of the free? Thats what you keep telling us anyway. If you are so free, why CAN'T you trade with them? Your government is impeding on you freedoms, and TELLING YOU that YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING.
Remind me again what freedom actually is.
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is that a failure of both parties in your mind, or just the Republicans
Isn't the republican party the party of small government and individual freedoms? I wasn't even referring to either parties failure to change the US/Cuba policy. What I was referring to was, in actual fact, you as an individual should be free to sell and buy from anyone you want.
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mdma wrote:
Because it is so unlike the country I or you live in. I don't know about you Tigger but I am interested in different cultures, and how other people live.
I too am interested in other cultures, and among the 47 countries I have visited, have seen all types of governments in action, personally going to cuba and helping fund a brutal dictatorship isn't what I want to do on my vacation.
What I was referring to was, in actual fact, you as an individual should be free to sell and buy from anyone you want.
I so totally disagree with that statement, I dont know how to respond. I don't think I should be free to sell or buy from anyone I want. As part of this mythical freedom of yours should I be able to sell and buy anything?? Can I sell/buy drugs, guns and people with this freedom???
-Tig
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Ukraine & New Zealand
Back to: Thailand - Port Louis, Mauritius - Australia - Italy to name a few . . . . :-)
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I too am interested in other cultures, and among the 47 countries I have visited, have seen all types of governments in action, personally going to cuba and helping fund a brutal dictatorship isn't what I want to do on my vacation.
Maybe, but that decision has been taken away from you anyway. I personally am free to visit whatever country I wish to visit. Do you agree that I have more freedom than you do?
I so totally disagree with that statement, I dont know how to respond. I don't think I should be free to sell or buy from anyone I want. As part of this mythical freedom of yours should I be able to sell and buy anything?? Can I sell/buy drugs, guns and people with this freedom???
Yes
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mdma wrote:
Maybe, but that decision has been taken away from you anyway. I personally am free to visit whatever country I wish to visit. Do you agree that I have more freedom than you do?
If I wanted to go to Cuba, I could go to Cuba, Americans do it all the time, we just can't fly there directly from the US, but since there are 100's of countries you can't fly to cuba from directly thats not really an issue. You go to Mexico or the Dominican Republic and take a puddle jumper to Cuba. My friends who have been there tell me its pretty much like the other very poor communist countries I have been to, only poorer and on an island. Sorry but a return to Belize, Honduras or Mexico (all of which I went to this year) all sound more fun then that.
I so totally disagree with that statement, I dont know how to respond. I don't think I should be free to sell or buy from anyone I want. As part of this mythical freedom of yours should I be able to sell and buy anything?? Can I sell/buy drugs, guns and people with this freedom???
Yes
Cool, glad to see you family has your sale listed on Ebay, what size of Owned by Tigger T-shirt do I need to get you?? Do you come with shoes???
-Tig
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If I wanted to go to Cuba, I could go to Cuba, Americans do it all the time, we just can't fly there directly from the US, but since there are 100's of countries you can't fly to cuba from directly thats not really an issue. You go to Mexico or the Dominican Republic and take a puddle jumper to Cuba. My friends who have been there tell me its pretty much like the other very poor communist countries I have been to, only poorer and on an island. Sorry but a return to Belize, Honduras or Mexico (all of which I went to this year) all sound more fun then that.
Thus proving my point. You have been to a communist country, I haven't and Cuba is pretty much the only one left that has nice weather. ;-)
Cool, glad to see you family has your sale listed on Ebay, what size of Owned by Tigger T-shirt do I need to get you?? Do you come with shoes???
So I see you think that restriction on trade is a good thing. How socialist of you Tigger. Or should I say hypocritical? Make yer mind up.
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I'd have to pay a visit to Belgium (http://zapatopi.net/belgium.html) !!!. :-D
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Cass wrote:
I'd have to pay a visit to Belgium (http://zapatopi.net/belgium.html) !!!. :-D
:roflmao:
Why do the right wing always equate liberal with leftwing?
I'm extremly leftwing and i'm far from being a liberal.
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Why do the right wing always equate liberal with leftwing?
I'm extremly leftwing and i'm far from being a liberal.
Don`t be so picky! :-P
You`re missing great revelations made here, like "Brussels sprouts: was your mother part of the conspiracy?"
:-D :lol:
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Cass wrote:
You`re missing great revelations made here, like "Brussels sprouts: was your mother part of the conspiracy?"
:-D :lol:
Damn it! I knew it! :-x
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Why do the right wing always equate liberal with leftwing?
I'm extremly leftwing and i'm far from being a liberal.
I know the problem, I'm extremely liberal and far from being extremely leftwing. :-D
"Moderation in all things"
Anyway, I'd like to visit Japan, Australia, New Zeeland, Brazil, Trinidad, Hong Kong, Finland, Russia, plus a few points in between :-)
P.S. For those that wish to visit Canada, I offer this joke...
Man from England telegrams his brother in Vancouver, "Mother arriving Halifax Tuesday, please meet her." Brother telegrams back, "Meet her yourself, you're closer than I am."
Anyway there's a lot to look at. (Spoken by someone who commutes weekly by bus 1000 km roundtrip just to stay in Fort Macmurray, where I have to bus 140 km daily just to the worksite. Anyway, I'm on buses 22 hours a week for a 40 hour a week job. ) :boohoo:
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mdma wrote:
Thus proving my point. You have been to a communist country, I haven't and Cuba is pretty much the only one left that has nice weather. ;-)
China, Vietnam, Myyanmar (Burma) and Laos all have gorgeous weather and better scenery.
So I see you think that restriction on trade is a good thing. How socialist of you Tigger. Or should I say hypocritical? Make yer mind up.
I think there are things that shouldnt be for sale (including yourself), that makes me an abolishist not a Socialist.
-Tig
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China, Vietnam, Myyanmar (Burma) and Laos all have gorgeous weather and better scenery.
China is not communist, my best friend is currently living in China as a University Lecturer. In his words "The UK is more socialist than China". He's going to Vietnam for a week soon, so I'll let you know what he says about Vietnam when he reports back.
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Tigger wrote:
China, Vietnam, Myyanmar (Burma) and Laos all have gorgeous weather and better scenery.
You obviously never went to China, considering your opinion about the weather there...
China is BIIIIIG y'know...
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mdma wrote:
China is not communist, my best friend is currently living in China as a University Lecturer. In his words "The UK is more socialist than China". He's going to Vietnam for a week soon, so I'll let you know what he says about Vietnam when he reports back.
China most certainly is communist, anyone who doesnt understand that has limited grasp of reality. Vietnam is too, been there, seen that.
-Tig
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Tigger wrote:
China, Vietnam, Myyanmar (Burma) and Laos all have gorgeous weather and better scenery.
You obviously never went to China, considering your opinion about the weather there...
China is BIIIIIG y'know...
You are obviously wrong, I have been to China, in fact there was a long thread on here when I got back. China in the summer is very nice, sure its a big country, but Beijing is a spectacular capital city and Guilin is one of the prettiest places on earth. Throw in the Terra Cotta warriors at Xian and some time on the Yangtze and thats a real vacation. Hong Kong and Shanghai are also always worth a visit.
-Tig
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Tigger wrote:
mdma wrote:
China is not communist, my best friend is currently living in China as a University Lecturer. In his words "The UK is more socialist than China". He's going to Vietnam for a week soon, so I'll let you know what he says about Vietnam when he reports back.
China most certainly is communist, anyone who doesnt understand that has limited grasp of reality. Vietnam is too, been there, seen that.
-Tig
Helloooooooooo!?!?!?!?
My friend LIVES in the fekking country, he's not there on holiday.
No where in my copy of the Communist Manifesto does it mention that having a stock exchange and a free market as being an integral part of Communism. Ever read this book?
China is a dictatorship, that doesn't make it communist.
It's a peoples republic only in name, as my friend said the UK is more socialist than China.
Do you actually realise that people think you are an arrogant "know it all"?
My friend is an EXTREMELY well educated man, and has several degrees and a masters to his name. So when he tells me China isn't communist I tend to believe him, rather than some bloke on a web forum who lives up to the stereotype of the arrogant yank traveller that so shames the rest of their country.
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mdma wrote:
Helloooooooooo!?!?!?!?
My friend LIVES in the fekking country, he's not there on holiday.
China is a dictatorship, that doesn't make it communist.
It's a peoples republic only in name, as my friend said the UK is more socialist than China.
My friend is an EXTREMELY well educated man, and has several degrees and a masters to his name. So when he tells me China isn't communist I tend to believe him, rather than some bloke on a web forum who lives up to the stereotype of the arrogant yank traveller that so shames the rest of their country.
If you friend honestly doesnt realize that China is a communist country, then he shouldn't have spent all that money on his education, most of the high school students on this site understand china is communist, why is your friend having trouble. The chinese government themselves will tell you they are a communist government. Noone in there right mind thinks that the UK is more socialist then China. Anyone here besides mdma want to argue that China isn't a communist country and that UK is more socialist then China??
-Tig
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Well, you are arguing over semantics. Conventionally, china is a communist country because that's what it claims to be and it had it's communist revolution etc.
I believe what mdma and his friend are arguing is that compared to the conventional view of what communism is, where the state effectively owns and runs everything, china is rather different. Like capatlist countries it has free trade and individial people / buisnesses can prosper. Indeed, they are doing. Expect to be eclipsed by chinas economy in the not too distant future.
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Karlos wrote:
Like capatlist countries it has free trade and individial people / buisnesses can prosper. Indeed, they are doing. Expect to be eclipsed by chinas economy in the not too distant future.
Very little free trade for a country that size, basically enough to qualify for WTO, the tightning of trade in Hong Kong since the takeover is just one of the signs of that. As for being eclipsed by chinas economy, first of all there 9-1 sex ratio is going to become a problem before there economy gets that big, and the huge loss of there population which will be wiped out when 3 gorges collapses is going to pretty much cripple there economy. Just remember the largest disaster of the 21st century will be the collapse of 3 gorges dam, maybe one of those followers of nostradamus who seem to hang out on Amiga websites can make a quatrane mean that. In addition, since the original conversation was about visiting communist Cuba, I'm sorry but frankly Cuba is less communist then China, though both are communist governments.
-Tig
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Calm down chaps, please!
@Tigger
According to the CIA, China is expected to eclipse the USA as the number one superpower within 15 years. Right now, China is loaning the US billions of dollars to keep the economy afloat, and sooner or later will want to collect on that loan.
Just where did you get the information that makes you think that the 3 gorges dam is going to collapse?
@MDMA
China is a self proclaimed "communist" state and although they're embracing free market economics, the chinese flag and political system remain very much in the old style mould. Communism altered irrevocably in the mid 1980s when restrictions on free trade were relaxed.
I've nothing against the system of socialism or communism in principle, but what I have got a problem with is regiemes that pay lip service to human rights. Myanmar is alledged to have perpetrated some appalling human rights abuses, and I remember the TV images of Tianaman Square in 1989...
The human rights abuses by the COMECON nations prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall remain my primary issue with socialism.
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Tigger wrote:
mdma wrote:
Helloooooooooo!?!?!?!?
My friend LIVES in the fekking country, he's not there on holiday.
China is a dictatorship, that doesn't make it communist.
It's a peoples republic only in name, as my friend said the UK is more socialist than China.
My friend is an EXTREMELY well educated man, and has several degrees and a masters to his name. So when he tells me China isn't communist I tend to believe him, rather than some bloke on a web forum who lives up to the stereotype of the arrogant yank traveller that so shames the rest of their country.
If you friend honestly doesnt realize that China is a communist country, then he shouldn't have spent all that money on his education, most of the high school students on this site understand china is communist, why is your friend having trouble. The chinese government themselves will tell you they are a communist government. Noone in there right mind thinks that the UK is more socialist then China. Anyone here besides mdma want to argue that China isn't a communist country and that UK is more socialist then China??
-Tig
My friend spent nothing on his education. Socialism paid for it.
Do you believe everything the Chinese government say Tigger, or do you just have selective hearing?
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I'm sorry but frankly Cuba is less communist then China
You clearly show you have no idea what Communism is Tigger. In Cuba, the "people"(state) own everything, hence the problem the USA has with Cuba.
China on the other hand allows individual wealth and prosperity and also foreign investment and ownership of property and businesses.
Both have a none elected government that commit human rights abuses.
China is more like Italy under Mussolini than Castro's Cuba or Lenin's Russia.
If you want to try and understand what Communism is meant to be, and why there has NEVER been a Communist state, and almost certainly NEVER will be, I have provided a link to an online version of the Communist Manifesto (http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html).
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Karlos wrote:
Well, you are arguing over semantics. Conventionally, china is a communist country because that's what it claims to be and it had it's communist revolution etc.
I believe what mdma and his friend are arguing is that compared to the conventional view of what communism is, where the state effectively owns and runs everything, china is rather different. Like capatlist countries it has free trade and individial people / buisnesses can prosper. Indeed, they are doing. Expect to be eclipsed by chinas economy in the not too distant future.
What I mean to say is:
CAPITALISM != DEMOCRACY
DICTATORSHIP != COMMUNISM
China is capitalist and is not a democracy.
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PMC wrote:
Calm down chaps, please!
@Tigger
According to the CIA, China is expected to eclipse the USA as the number one superpower within 15 years. Right now, China is loaning the US billions of dollars to keep the economy afloat, and sooner or later will want to collect on that loan.
Just where did you get the information that makes you think that the 3 gorges dam is going to collapse?
@MDMA
China is a self proclaimed "communist" state and although they're embracing free market economics, the chinese flag and political system remain very much in the old style mould. Communism altered irrevocably in the mid 1980s when restrictions on free trade were relaxed.
I've nothing against the system of socialism or communism in principle, but what I have got a problem with is regiemes that pay lip service to human rights. Myanmar is alledged to have perpetrated some appalling human rights abuses, and I remember the TV images of Tianaman Square in 1989...
The human rights abuses by the COMECON nations prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall remain my primary issue with socialism.
I have long held the view that postwar Britain had the finest implementation of Socialism ever witnessed in this world. It's gone forever and will never come back.
Human rights abuses are the shame of this world as a whole, we western nations stand back and let these wicked things happen time after time. The only time we do anything is if we want some natural resource or other from the place the abuses are happening.
Why not send the soldiers into Darfur or Zimbabwe? If next week Mugabe pronounced to the world that he'd discovered the biggest oil reserve in the world sitting under the soil of Harare, you could guarantee every single soldier currently in Iraq would be on the first plane to Africa.
Disgusting.
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Tigger wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Tigger wrote:
China, Vietnam, Myyanmar (Burma) and Laos all have gorgeous weather and better scenery.
You obviously never went to China, considering your opinion about the weather there...
China is BIIIIIG y'know...
You are obviously wrong, I have been to China, in fact there was a long thread on here when I got back. China in the summer is very nice, sure its a big country, but Beijing is a spectacular capital city and Guilin is one of the prettiest places on earth. Throw in the Terra Cotta warriors at Xian and some time on the Yangtze and thats a real vacation. Hong Kong and Shanghai are also always worth a visit.
-Tig
:roll: firstly, if you took the effort to read my post, you would've noticed this part of the sentence: "considering your opinion about the weather there", so I wanted to point out ONLY about the weather. If I go to the US, and specifically, Florida, well, there'd be nice weather in the summer now wouldn't it? But what does the climate in Florida says about the climate in for instance, Idaho? And then, also you went there in the summer. Now I know summers can be very nice here in NL, but for the rest...
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mdma wrote:
You clearly show you have no idea what Communism is Tigger. In Cuba, the "people"(state) own everything, hence the problem the USA has with Cuba.
Actually that has nothing to do with our issue with Cuba, ask any American who understands the Cuba issue and they will tell you the same thing.
China on the other hand allows individual wealth and prosperity and also foreign investment and ownership of property and businesses.
Some and very limited, my company does business with China every day, I know all about what we can and cannot do there.
Most housing is still owned by the government, most businesses are still owned by the government, foreign investors by and large have minority stakes. Its great to say you have private ownership, but if the government can and will take it away from you at will, do you really own it??? Two million people have been told to move as part of 3 Gorges, by and large there is no place for them to move, but there current homes are going to be underwater, so they have to move.
If you want to try and understand what Communism is meant to be, and why there has NEVER been a Communist state, and almost certainly NEVER will be,
Read the book, they didnt make a movie. But thats besides the point, you said you wanted to go to a communist country, which is why you wanted to go to Cuba. You can't hide behind there never has been a communist state when you are the one who said Cuba was one.
-Tig
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PMC wrote:
@Tigger
According to the CIA, China is expected to eclipse the USA as the number one superpower within 15 years. Right now, China is loaning the US billions of dollars to keep the economy afloat, and sooner or later will want to collect on that loan.
Just where did you get the information that makes you think that the 3 gorges dam is going to collapse?
I know all about the CIA report, and unrestrained it probably would eclipse the US economy, however there are several factors (two of which I mentioned) that the CIA didnt factor in. The first being the huge sex schism in the country, male children outnumber female children by a factor of as high as 7 or 8 to 1 in major cities due to the 1 child rule. Secondly the dam, 30 miles downstream from 3 gorges the chinese built a dam to work on the techniques they would use at 3 gorges, in 2000 when I sailed through that area, I got two impressions, one that the 3 gorges dam was already showing cracks and secondly that the 8(?) year older dam downstream looked like it was about to collapse. In 2002, the downstream dam did indeed collapse, shortly after they closed the gates on 3 gorges. But dont take my word for it, a google of Three Gorges collapse, will give you lots of professional opinions about the situation. The filling of the reservoir will cause earthquakes in the area, and though the dam is designed to withstand up to 7.0, I'm not sure I would bet on it. Of course I wonder what the folks up north think of the the dam the Chinese call the Canadian Dam?? But hey apparently today the Chinese announced they want to build a tunnel or bridge to Taiwan, thats an even crazier idea then 3 gorges.
-Tig
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PMC wrote:
Calm down chaps, please!
@Tigger
According to the CIA, China is expected to eclipse the USA as the number one superpower within 15 years. Right now, China is loaning the US billions of dollars to keep the economy afloat, and sooner or later will want to collect on that loan.
In addition, I think it likely that Rawski (and his friends) are more likely right about the current state of Chinas economy then the CIA. Goldman Sachs seems to agree with me.
-Tig
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Gotta be the Arctic for me. Mountains and ice, lit by an aurora, would just be so beautiful to behold.