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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Dagon on February 19, 2003, 08:21:26 PM
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I went to a well known online Amiga shop and I saw that there is a 1Ghz G4 module for Pegasos. Can anyone inform me if that module really exists and if it is available please? (can I actually buy right now the system below?)
I made this conf to see how much will it cost. I await for AmigaOS and I would really want to see it running also in Pegasos so that I could have more options.
Pegasos board with CPU module incl. MorphOS CD.
Configuration:
Midi tower 6054L-C9 silver with 300 W power supply.
PPC CPU: G4 1 GHz
Harddisk AT/IDE 3.5",30 GB Exelstor 5400U
256 MB PC133 ECC Registered Buffered
64 MB ATI Radeon 7500 LE TV-Out
LG CED 8481B 48x/24x/48x silver
Floppy drive 3.5" HD, TEAC FDD 1.44 MB, beige
Neolec Wheel Optical mouse PS/2 and USB
I really hope that this price 1179.30 EYPO is with the VAT. I hate the sites that are trying to deceit us by not placing the VAT. (like there is a chance that their average client could buy it without VAT)
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Hello Dagon,
Yes, this module is (hopefully) real because I ordered and already paid for it when I bought my Pegasos :-D
I checked with my dealer today, but he hasn't got it yet.
I don't know when it will arrive.
About your desired system:
Midi tower 6054L-C9 silver with 300 W power supply.
PPC CPU: G4 1 GHz
Harddisk AT/IDE 3.5",30 GB Exelstor 5400U
256 MB PC133 ECC Registered Buffered
64 MB ATI Radeon 7500 LE TV-Out
LG CED 8481B 48x/24x/48x silver
Floppy drive 3.5" HD, TEAC FDD 1.44 MB, beige
Neolec Wheel Optical mouse PS/2 and USB
I've bought the following:
I-cute tower with 6 fans and 300W
G4 1 GHz, but for now a G3 600 MHz
40 GB 7200 rpm harddrive
512 MB registered RAM (thought Kingston)
ATI Radeon 9000 64 MB
CD-Rewriter 40/16/48
Floppy (I believe it doesn't work...yet)
Cherry cordless keyboard and mouse
Set of boxes (inbuild soundcard)
DVD-ROM
As you see I've got almost the same configuration as you want. :-D
I paid 1500 Euro's for it.
Spidey
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Dagon wrote:
I went to a well known online Amiga shop and I saw that there is a 1Ghz G4 module for Pegasos. Can anyone inform me if that module really exists and if it is available please? (can I actually buy right now the system below?)
I would have thought that if this was available then we'd have heard from Gensei. I'm afraid until you hear an offical release , don't trust what amiga dealers say. Some have a habit of trying to sell products which aren't yet available. :-(
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Oh, So it's a Myth like those T-shirts...
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I sure hope not! :-D
Or else I have to have my money back!
And for this I paid 190 Euro's more than for the coupon I bought last year for AmigaOne/OS4 (I forgot if the discount was for AOne or for OS4 :-?)
Spidey
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Have you paid for the dealer or Genesi? To the best of my knowledge G4 modules are not yet available. Promised to be available soon, but that doesn't change the fact that ATM they are not yet available.
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I don't think that the G4 CPU module is available quite yet. And I am sure that no one will miss it when it becomes available! :-D
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Spidey wrote:
I've bought the following:
I-cute tower with 6 fans and 300W
G4 1 GHz, but for now a G3 600 MHz
40 GB 7200 rpm harddrive
512 MB registered RAM (thought Kingston)
ATI Radeon 9000 64 MB
CD-Rewriter 40/16/48
Floppy (I believe it doesn't work...yet)
Cherry cordless keyboard and mouse
Set of boxes (inbuild soundcard)
DVD-ROM
As you see I've got almost the same configuration as you want. :-D
I paid 1500 Euro's for it.
Spidey
Did you buy it as a complete prebuilt system or did you buy it seperately?
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The module doesn't exist. Don't be fooled into placing a pre-order for something that won't even exist for many months.
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BTW, I wonder if that will have a CPU fan? In that case I don't think I will be interested. I like silent computers and my Pegasos setup is extremely silent, virtually mute. And to be honest, the G3 @ 600MHz is more than enough for everything I do. It flies! If you are rendering/raytracing complex 3D animations (and such things) you will propably want as much CPU power as possible, but I really think that most "normal" people will be quite satisfied with the G3 thanks to the lean Amiga envireonment!
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@takemehomegrandma:
Ahem!
Morphos environment.
8-)
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
BTW, I wonder if that will have a CPU fan? In that case I don't think I will be interested. I like silent computers and my Pegasos setup is extremely silent, virtually mute. And to be honest, the G3 @ 600MHz is more than enough for everything I do. It flies! If you are rendering/raytracing complex 3D animations (and such things) you will propably want as much CPU power as possible, but I really think that most "normal" people will be quite satisfied with the G3 thanks to the lean Amiga envireonment!
I'm actually quite dissapointed with how noisey my G4 eMac is compared to the old G3 iMacs. Hopefully PPCs will get cooler again and won't need fans.
I agree on the MHz thing, with the exception of games (and raytracing, but that's hardly a common use for the average person) why do you need 3Ghz? What can a 3GHz computer do, in real world everyday average use terms, that a 600MHz can't? (Aside from running Windows XP :-P)
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Or else I have to have my money back!
Sorry man...
Maybe they'll give you something else instead.
Myabe not what you wanted, but you at least won't loose all your money.
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Ami603 wrote:
@takemehomegrandma:
Ahem!
Morphos environment.
8-)
I knew that someone would bite, hehe :-P
(Marking words! Same #### but different, you know! ;-) )
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@ uncharted
I agree on the MHz thing, with the exception of games (and raytracing, but that's hardly a common use for the average person) why do you need 3Ghz? What can a 3GHz computer do, in real world everyday average use terms, that a 600MHz can't? (Aside from running Windows XP )
Exactly! In the wintel world there is this (as we all know) strange obsession about MHz ratings. And of course you would need a fast system to run a totally bloated OS as the WindowsXP really is.
Before I bought my Pegasos I hadn't come anywhere near the Amiga platform for a while. I was kind of used to the wintel way of thinking and I thought "well, it's a pity that the only option is a G3 @ 600MHz, that won't get me anywhere". But to tell the truth I don't really think I would notice any big differences between my current setup and a G4 at twice that MHz ratio. Not in the way I use computers anyway. The system can't more than fly. And it flies allready!
Of course, if I were heavily into 3D rendering or other heavy tasks, it would make a difference. but since I am more of a "normal" user it doesn't!
When it comes to games I believe that the same bloat factor applies again. On Windows you need fast extremely fast CPU's just to boot Windows. And then Windows steals a lot of resources just to keep on going. With a lean OS you will get the same experienced performance from a much lower performance CPU. And then very much is up to 3D HW and stuff like that anyway ...
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I'm actually quite dissapointed with how noisey my G4 eMac is compared to the old G3 iMacs. Hopefully PPCs will get cooler again and won't need fans.
How does ~55 million transistors sound to you (i.e. referring to IBM’s next PPC 970 CPU)?
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When it comes to games I believe that the same bloat factor applies again. On Windows you need fast extremely fast CPU's just to boot Windows.
Depends on the Windows version.
On Windows you need fast extremely fast CPU's just to boot Windows.
Simply false in terms generalization. I have booted Windows 95 (OSR2) on i386DX33 with 5MB of RAM.
And then Windows steals a lot of resources just to keep on going.
WindowsXP does provide a lot of services for programmers/users to use.
For example;
- Application Layer Gateway Service
- Automatic Updates
- COM+ Event System
- DHCP Client
- Distributed Link Tracking Client
- DNS Client
- Event Log
- IPSEC Services
- IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service
- Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) / Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
- Logical Disk Manager
- Messenger
- Plug and Play
- Print Spooler
- Protected Storage
- Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
- Secondary Logon
- Security Accounts Manager
- Server
- Shell Hardware Detection
- SSDP Discovery Service
- Task Scheduler
- TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
- Telephony
- Terminal Services
- Universal Plug and Play Device Host
- Wireless Zero Configuration
- Windows Management Instrumentation
- Windows Audio
- WebClient
and 'etc'
WinXP also provides; POSIX/OS/2 /Win32/Win16/DirectX/dotNET framework APIs, OBDC Administration and 'etc') .
It depends on the given OS features.
With a lean OS you will get the same experienced performance from a much lower performance CPU.
By how much?
Note that AROS is available for X86 btw…
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@KennyR
Same has been said about the G3/600 module for a long time, but
remember that Genesi is a company that has some real HW-
developers, so I'm 100% certain that a working proto of that
module does exist, and now we just have to wait for the actual
production.
Having said that I'm not sure if I would upgrade since I have
a completly fanless system atm (and I like it).
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Hello uncharted,
I bought the whole system, without the DVD-ROM, pre assembled from my dealer. I only had to connect the wires at home (you can read it in my review of Pegasos+MorphOS :-D).
I know in the past some Amiga dealers sold "air"-stuff, but I trust this dealer in being a cautious dealer.
He will not sell something if he doesn't know for sure it will come out (like that site that claims OS4 will be out on 28 feb 2003 in one of the other threads :-)).
About the speed and noise:
I've got this I-Cute tower at home with 6 fans and the only real noise I hear is when you put in a cd in the drive and the clicking of the mouse and keyboard!! :-D
It's also true that a comparison between a G3 600 MHZ and G4 1 GHz is irrelevant in daily use (ofcourse it matters if you're doing a lot of CPU intensive mathematics), but it's nice to can say: "I've got a 1 GHz G4 unit inside" :-D :-D
Actually I was debating this part with a person who just bought a 2.4 GHz Athlon and uses it for making his own movies (and burning it on DVD). I've seen everything in action and to be honest, I was not impressed by the calculating of 1 minute of film to MPEG standard, it took minutes to complete!! (I don't know how many minutes. It is less than 10 I think)
I am wondering exactly how much CPU power goes to only running the Windows OS. Does anybody know this?
Spidey
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Hello Mountain_Myst,
I've got a very friendly dealer :-)
I know for sure he wouldn't take my money if he was doubting about this upgrade module.
But you're right, if I can't have this upgrade I'll just use this money to buy MakeCD V3.2C and that Settlers alike game Knights and Merchants (or so). :-D
Spidey