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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: Karlos on December 12, 2004, 07:48:44 PM
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Hi,
I found out a good mate (who shall remain unnamed) was assaulted in a bar Friday night. A complete stranger, unprovoked in any way decided to smash a bottle over his head and then lay into him and the two friends he was with, one of whom is a hulking big bugger who managed to pan him.
Fortunately my friend was lucky enough not to be cut or have any major trauma save a nasty concussion, which came as a big relief. I've known the guy the best part of 20 years and in all that time I've never seen him do anything to provoke anybody.
Of course he's pressing charges against the guy. I hope the fecker gets locked up :-x
What drives someone to attack a complete stranger this way?
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I can only guess that the assailant is a drunk, a chav, a complete moron or all of the above.
Hope your friend gets better. I have yet to come off second best in a fight (well, I tend to avoid altercations as best I can) but sometimes you can be going about your own business and someobody can take a swipe at you. Glad the other mate sorted the problem out.
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Here's what was probably going on in the assailant's mind:
'Yeah, ee was looking at mah missus, I seen 'im. Wew, I'll do 'im, ee ain gunna look at mah missus an fink nuffink gunna appen. I'll fukken bo'l 'im.'
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'...'ats the bloke give my mate a load of bollox the other night, innit? I'm sure ats the one. Wew, ee's gunna fink diffrent nah, innie?'
Any number of misguided, alcohol-impaired reasons could have been conjured up by the man who hit your friend.
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From the sounds of it, the guy just came from nowhere and attacked him out of the blue, the first shot being the bottle over the head.
What kind of chickensh!t thing to do is that?
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The one reason I only go to metal night clubs where I know most people. I never go into a normal pub/club because it's filled with chavs and pissheads. Mind you, there are always a lot of pissheads at the metal nights, but most are lazy, fat goths/moshers :-D
Glad your mate is ok, could've been a lot worse if the hulking big bugger wasn't there.
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I'm glad to hear your friend is ok. He wouldn't have been the first person minding their own business and enjoying a night out to have some alcohol-fuelled {bleep}tard knock someone's face to pieces or put a knife in their guts - for no reason whatsoever. I couldn't imagine how bad that would have been.
Some people just can't handle the drink - the alcohol turns them like nasty kids, unreasoning, vindictive, and pitiless. Some people go out looking for a fight for some kind of feeble machismo. Some people can't take the fact that they're lacking something everyone else has and decide just to attack whoever looks the most vulnerable when it spills over in drink-addled rage. Then they attack the medical staff when taken to hospital...
The bars are at least partly to blame though. Nightclubs and bars do their best to sell as much drink in as short a time as possible, in overcrowded places. They build up powder kegs waiting for a spark. Binge drinking is pure evil. It brings out the worst in everyone.
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It's times like this I'm glad I gave up drinking and generally prefer to avoid bars and such. However, it's a tad extreme as a solution and I doubt it would suit most people. After all, you should be able to go for a night out without wondering if some drunken psycho is going to start on you :-(
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@Karlos
Jeez, thats a bit harsh...I hope your mate is ok. The world is full of assholes and sadly your mate happened to come across one at the wrong time. Funny how if that was a dog whom randomly attacked a person for no reason, it would have been put down.
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Having lived in the port town of Plymouth for most of my life, I know only too well the mindset of these sorts of prats, the really disgusting thing about it all is that most of the time they pay a pathetic fine and are told that they are very very naughty, and shouldn't do it again.
And the following friday night they start killing each other again as per usual.
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@All,
Thanks for the get well soon sentiments; I'll relay them to him when I catch him next.
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I think you should need a license to drink in public. Something that can be revoked when it's obvious public intoxication and certain individuals don't mix.
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That's a good idea, T-Bone. It wouldn't hurt the well-behaved people who drink responsibly.
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Good idea T-Bone...
Living in a Garrison town, I was out on the tiles with a mate last year (luckily he's about to complete his final year of studies before becoming a jr doctor).
We were walking through town and heard some screaming and shouting a hundred yards ahead. We passed a drunken soldier who was bragging to his g/f about what he'd just done.
Turned out he'd walked past two blokes and just laid into them both, for absolutely no reason other than to prove to his g/f how hard he was. One of his victims was unharmed other than slight shock, but the other was out cold on the pavement. My friend was able to administer first aid on the scene and briefed the paramedics when they arrived.
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T_Bone wrote:
I think you should need a license to drink in public. Something that can be revoked when it's obvious public intoxication and certain individuals don't mix.
We'll make a socialist out of you yet, T_Bone! ;-)
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Just as a side note: hospital staff are always innundated around the Christmas period with victims of drunken brawls. There is a day in the calendar some even call Black Friday: the last Friday before Christmas, where office workers on their office nights out can mix with hardened clubbers. Apparently the two never mix that well.
Anyone heard of this?
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T_Bone wrote:
I think you should need a license to drink in public. Something that can be revoked when it's obvious public intoxication and certain individuals don't mix.
hm yes, but... ppl will gonna make their own booze and other kinda nasty outlawed practices. Still it's a good idea methinks. Better do something about it than nothing.
@KennyR
heh yes, T-Bone is a socialist-in-denial :lol: ;-)
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KennyR wrote:
Binge drinking is pure evil. It brings out the worst in everyone.
The only thing binge drinking brings out of me, is my lunch...
Best wishes to your mate karlos, though I think he is more likely to be weirded out by the idea of random freaks on some obscure website wishing him well than to gain any form of support from it.
Hail to the Sock...
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bloodline wrote:
Best wishes to your mate karlos, though I think he is more likely to be weirded out by the idea of random freaks on some obscure website wishing him well than to gain any form of support from it.
He actually is a member here, he's just not a regular visitor. Aside from wanting to rant about it, I also thought that he might get some cheer from everybody's well wishing :-)
I also kept it anonymous just in case it's embarrasing for him.
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@ Kenny
Yes, there is such a thing (even though it may not be known as Black Friday in every hospital). In fact at our hospital in Johannesburg we used to increase the shift number and stand-by people just because of booze-related incidents particularly over New Year. Here are some of the classics I remember:
1) The chief trauma surgeon was donated a brand-new Ford Falcon with all the emergency kit you can think of. It was the lead car in the Emergency Response 'fleet' and represented the latest in technology at the time. One New Year's Eve in 1998 or 1999 he drove out to a suburb in response to a stabbed chest call. The victim was lying on the pavement bleeding liberally. Instead of helping, the locals in the blocks of flats on either side were leaning out of their windows hurling bricks and flower pots down onto the response car in their drunken stupor. The car was extensively damaged and the victim's treatment was delayed. (What really annoys me about this incident is that the emergency vehicles all have red lights in SA, so these cars can't be mistaken for police vehicles, which are regular targets).
2) The sharps bin water-shoot. In every casualty cubicle there is a stretcher, a wall-mounted cabinet with various dressing equipment such as gloves, bandages, sprays, and a side tray with needles, syringes and basic antiseptic lotions. On the floor, there is a rigid yellow tub with a small tamper-proof aperture into which 'sharps' such as needles and scalpels go when used. These tubs are then incinerated. Every year, without fail, over the festive season, there is at least one drunk who climbs off his trolley and pisses in the sharps bin and all over the floor. Some of them just unzip, dangle the johnny over the trolley side and piss freely all over the place. One guy even asked me for a smoke immediately afterwards!
3) The in-hospital brawl. It is not enough that people get drunk and get into fights with bottles, knives, (sometimes even guns) and then end up in hospital. No, they have to pick a fight with another drunk patient at the hospital, or his relatives, or a member of staff. I've had a drunk patient push me around quite hard, and there was nothing I could do. It happens to everyone: nurses, radiographers, porters and doctors.
4) The X-factor. This is also known as the Drunken Choir, or the Squealing Weasels. The game here is to try to get seen to before a more seriously-injured patient by feigning a more life-threatening injury. How do you do that? Easy. You scream, yodel, do a Michael Jackson "eeee-heeee" while pulling a face resembling a bulldog chewing on a wasp. Of course, if you have competition from the drunk in the next cubicle, you gotta turn the volume up. This can go on for a few hours (or less, if the trauma chief comes in, has had a gutsful and roars SHUT THE FUKUP !!)
Yes, And let me not go into the delights of cleaning up other people's puke that has run into the sensitive electronics of the X-ray machine, or the sh1t-skid on the edge of the trolley mattress where the guy was so drunk he didn't even care where he relieved himself. And if they are bleeding, I promise you there is one smell you never get used to: blood and alcohol mixed. It is dire.
So spare a thought for us here in the hospitals where the 'festive season' is the blackest of seasons.
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Oh, I forgot a really good one that happened one Christmas eve:
A husband and wife had a drunken argument in the kitchen. On the stove there was a large iron pot with thick porridge oats bubbling inside, really hot. The husband tipped this pot of boiling oats over his wife and she got badly burned by the mix as it was sticky and stuck to her skin. She screamed and dropped to the floor trying to claw the porridge off her, and the husband simply went to bed, satisfied that he had won the argument.
Well...little did he know...
...because the wife got a new pot and made another mix of oats (sugar and butter included) and pulled the husband's covers back while he was sleeping and tipped the boiling oats over his face and carried on pouring right down to his feet, by which stage he was awake and was screaming in pain.
They came to hospital together (having made up over a few bottles of booze), both of them still reeking of alcohol and covered with dried oats that were almost bonded to their skin. The husband was so drunk that he needed an IV infusion of stuff we call 'jet fuel' which is a {bleep}tail of drugs used to sober people up faster. The wife seemed to be in a better state and she was taken to the bathroom by the nurse, and a bath was run for her so that the oats could be washed off. When the nurse came back after 5 minutes, the woman was sitting on the edge of the bath, refusing to get back in. Why: she had defecated in the water and was most outraged that the nurse could not have forseen this.
She soon got a bag of jet fuel too...
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Cheers Karlos, and thanks everyone for the get wells.
I'm nearly back to normal apart from a slight pain in my jaw.
I've not heard anything back from the police yet but i'll let everyone know what the outcome is.
Karlos wrote:
He actually is a member here, he's just not a regular visitor. Aside from wanting to rant about it, I also thought that he might get some cheer from everybody's well wishing :-)
I also kept it anonymous just in case it's embarrasing for him.[/quote]
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Andy wrote:
Cheers Karlos, and thanks everyone for the get wells.
I'm nearly back to normal apart from a slight pain in my jaw.
I've not heard anything back from the police yet but i'll let everyone know what the outcome is.
Karlos wrote:
He actually is a member here, he's just not a regular visitor. Aside from wanting to rant about it, I also thought that he might get some cheer from everybody's well wishing :-)
I also kept it anonymous just in case it's embarrasing for him.
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It's up to the CPS what happens and they are a bunch of c*nts.
Similar thing happened to me 3 years ago, but there were a few of them.
Don't expect much in the way of criminal injuries money. They are tight as a ducks arse. They are also based in Scotland. Co-oincidence perhaps? ;-)
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Andy wrote:
Cheers Karlos, and thanks everyone for the get wells.
I'm nearly back to normal apart from a slight pain in my jaw.
I've not heard anything back from the police yet but i'll let everyone know what the outcome is.
Hi bud :-D
I was wondering if you would post. I'm glad to hear you are feeling better anyway. Good luck with the case - as mdma points out they are a sack of **** for the most part.
Still, in a completely unprovoked attack they must surely recognise your rights for compensation as much as they ought to recognise the nutter's culpability.
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I'm not bothered about getting compo. It wouldn't be very much and the thug will only end up paying it at 20p a fortnight no doubt. I'd just like to see him banged up.
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I hope he gets banged up twice. First banged up in prison. Second banged up the chufter whilst in prison. :lol:
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Andy wrote:
I'd just like to see him banged up.
Yeah. Perhaps he might get a taste of his own medicine if he is in the habit of starting trouble...
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Andy wrote:
I'm not bothered about getting compo. It wouldn't be very much and the thug will only end up paying it at 20p a fortnight no doubt. I'd just like to see him banged up.
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I hope he gets banged up twice. First banged up in prison. Second banged up the chufter whilst in prison. :lol:
I wouldn't get your hopes up on that front either.
The one chav the Police bothered to arrest got let off by the CPS due to "Insufficent evidence".
That fact that my blood was all over his shirt and his Rockports, and several people were willing witnesses to the said incident, was apparently not enough to put him away!
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You won't get compo off the thug, as you'd have to sue him in a civil court and you can't get blood from a stone as they say. You will get compo from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) in Scotland.
I nearly fekking died, lost the sight in one eye for a very long time, will be on 11 varying tablets a day for the rest of my life due to the damage done to my brain, and oh yes nearly forgot...... Lost a £40k a year career........
I got £2000, and had to give 20% of it to my solicitor!
I was advised by that ambulance chasing tw@t that i'd get loss of earnings if he dealt with the CICA for me. Arsehole!
Do yourself a favour, the police will send you a green form in the post for claiming from the Criminal Injuries fund. Just send it off yourself, then you won't get scammed like i did.
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nearly fekking died, lost the sight in one eye for a very long time, will be on 11 varying tablets a day for the rest of my life due to the damage done to my brain, and oh yes nearly forgot...... Lost a £40k a year career........
Oh man, that is harsh. So this guy gets to wander around free to cause more trouble and you get all this?
*speechless*
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I was advised by that ambulance chasing tw@t that i'd get loss of earnings if he dealt with the CICA for me. Arsehole!
Feck! You should take that sad sack of fertilizer to court himself for criminal ineptness, impersonating someone useful and fraud. FFS, who was he? Lionel Huntz?
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Karlos wrote:
nearly fekking died, lost the sight in one eye for a very long time, will be on 11 varying tablets a day for the rest of my life due to the damage done to my brain, and oh yes nearly forgot...... Lost a £40k a year career........
Oh man, that is harsh. So this guy gets to wander around free to cause more trouble and you get all this?
*speechless*
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I was advised by that ambulance chasing tw@t that i'd get loss of earnings if he dealt with the CICA for me. Arsehole!
Feck! You should take that sad sack of fertilizer to court himself for criminal ineptness, impersonating someone useful and fraud. FFS, who was he? Lionel Huntz?
I thought about taking him to court, bus as my Dad said, "They're all members of the same club".
As for the Chav, he got sent down for something else. The solicitor reckons he did a "deal" with the cps, as he's a known scrote.
-edit Don't wan the lawyers to come a knckin on my door!
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@mdma
My condolences on the loss of a career and if it's any help I'm disgusted that the state we pay our taxes, national insurance to and are expected to give our unwavering patriotic support to has utterly failed you in every way.
We truly live in a society where the victim's rights come second to those who choose to waive their social responsibilities and then go crying to the lawyers if they think they've been hard done by.
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With any luck, the little sh*t is habitually walking into things and slipping on bars of soap whilst inside, if you know what I mean...
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Fingers crossed...
If it were up to me, he'd be standing on a cold, damp parade square as a shivering, snivelling wreck with some Sargent Major screaming in his ear about what a useless piece of human garbage he is, before ordering him off to the barracks to polish everyone's boots.
Maybe after several months of this, he'd come away with the potential to at least make a positive contribution to society and maybe learn to take some responsibility for his actions?
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That sort of reminds me of someone around here. Murdered somebody, got four years. Was out in two, murdered someone else. Went back in for three, was out in six months. Murdered someone else. He's gone back in for life now, but will probably only serve five years.
Our justice system seems to be made for hardening killers. No wonder we have such a murder rate.
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@Kenny
Given the relative laxity of the justice system in keeping murderers locked up, all you need are a few vigilante-type assasins of known murderers and other hardened criminals and you could clean up in a few years...
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Karlos wrote:
With any luck, the little sh*t is habitually walking into things and slipping on bars of soap whilst inside, if you know what I mean...
And getting shagged up the arse every time he slips on the soap too!
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KennyR wrote:
That sort of reminds me of someone around here. Murdered somebody, got four years. Was out in two, murdered someone else. Went back in for three, was out in six months. Murdered someone else. He's gone back in for life now, but will probably only serve five years.
Our justice system seems to be made for hardening killers. No wonder we have such a murder rate.
Putting them in prison is not the right thing to do. Neither is hanging/lethal injection/electric chair.
We should send them off to the troubled spots in the world as front line cannon fodder.
They like killing people, so send them off to kill some more. Weith no chance of a return back to civilian life, unless it's in a body bag.
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Hmmm i kinda feel a bit guilty now. I got £1500 for being smacked on the head with a brick. On the other hand my mate got zero for being stabbed in the ear with a chisel so god knows how they judge these things.
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Turambar wrote:
Hmmm i kinda feel a bit guilty now. I got £1500 for being smacked on the head with a brick. On the other hand my mate got zero for being stabbed in the ear with a chisel so god knows how they judge these things.
Apparently if someone gets arrested for it, whether they get charged or not, you will get less money.
My mate got smacked across the face and his jaw was knocked out of place, by some drug dealer a few years back and didn't dare say he knew who did it.
He got £4000!!!
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The criminal gets punished for the crime, the victim gets to see him suffer.
If no criminal is found then you get money to compensate for not seeing him suffer.
A bit stupid really.
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Vincent wrote:
The criminal gets punished for the crime, the victim gets to see him suffer.
If no criminal is found then you get money to compensate for not seeing him suffer.
A bit stupid really.
So in my case why did I only get £2000?
The criminal was "never found" in the eyes ofthe law, as it never reached court.
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Judge's discretion I suppose (or whoever it is that deals with it).
You should get compensation and get to see the bugger. It's screwed up.
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CPS= Couldn't Prosicute Satan
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The law is as I see it these days FOR the criminal and against the victim.
If this sort of thing carries on I say there MUST be a mandatory sentence of at least 5 years for this sort of unprovoked behaviour.
Then again we will have all the do gooders coming out from under there stones and yelling out "Ohhhh this is not fair, what about his human rights"
HEY, what about the victims human rights?
As far as I am concerned if you blatantly brake the law then ALL your rights are forefeet. END OF STORY.
The law must think more about the victim and less about the one who wants to hurt or even kill some one.
Mike... :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:
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swift240 wrote:
The law is as I see it these days FOR the criminal and against the victim.
Yeah, that's my interpretation of it. You can have someone commit a crime against you and if you dare defend yourself or your property then you risk charges being brought. It's fair game for a criminal to have a go at you or your home, because even if he/she gets their ass kicked they can sue for assault and make cash out of you that way. Easy money.
The Police are at an all time low in this country when it comes to public support. I hate to bang on, but you can count on being under the full weight of the law if you speed or have no TV license (£1000 fine), but stand little chance of getting a conviction and/or your property back in a burglary, despite the myriad CCTV cameras we have in our towns.
Actually, an interesting case a while back. A guy had returned home from an archery competition and was about to dismantle his bow and place it back in it's case. He heard a noise, ran to the window and saw a young chav putting a brick through his car window and clambering inside to get the stereo. He opened the window, drew the bow and fired a carbon arrow right into the chav's arse, causing a lot of damage in the process.
The chav of course complained to the authorities, who ruled that because the man happened to have a weapon in his hand, his actions weren't premeditated and therefore didn't constitute assault. He was cleared of charges and best of all, it took surgeons a full hour to remove the (hopefully splintered) carbon arrow from the chav.
An extremely rare, but welcome victory for common sense.
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Me getting hit over the head with a bottle.
Now I know i'm screwed.
As my father and I was walking back from our local, after watching the England V Scotland under 18's which was actually played in my home town of Hartlepool, a friend was passing by and offered us a lift home. I was telling him about what happend on Friday 10th Dec. He asked me if i knew who he was. I said, "Yes his name is John Paul Smith." His reply is, "I know him. He's a smack head."
The only other time i've ever had dealings with the police was when i had a visit/many of visits of a smack head. To cut a very long story short this smack head called John Robert Jobling came up to my place of work and threatend to snap my legs and flicked a fag end into my face. Granted i lost my temper came out of my stall and said, "come on then." He ran off and told the police that I chased him out of the market with a 8" carving knife threatning to kill him. When the police came and explained his acusations I just laughed. When i explained to the policeman that i am disabled and can't even catch my 4 year stepson. His reply was, " Er we like er sort of know of Jobling. But we have to act upon his aqusation's. However if you come to the police station tomorrow at say 8 o clock i'll arrest you then instead of now."
What choice did i have. I went to the police station got arrested, got bailed and after a month it finally got a NFA (No Further Action) apparntly.
This scum Jobling was sentanced to 1 year in April. Drugs related.
It just goes to show you can be a law abiding person but if you come up agianst a smack head. Then yer screwed
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@Andy
Dude, you are making me homesick :lol:
As in sick of home. Hmm, what shennanigans will happen when I come back to see the folks, I wonder?
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@ Karlos
Hey Karlos just stay out of Church Street and you will be ok mate.
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Andy wrote:
@ Karlos
Hey Karlos just stay out of Church Street and you will be ok mate.
Used to be a canny place back in the day; apart from the "square kitchen cafe" place. Worst greasy spoon... ever.
Now it's just full of places for binge drinkers to get lashed and start trouble :-(
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@karlos
Well thank the lord the Square kitchen cafe is no more.
It part of a night club :lol:
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Well i've still not heard anything from the police as to weather or not they are going to prosicute the idiot who smashed a bottle over my head on the 10th of December. They still haven't been to see my friend who knew him from school who was a witness and got a smack himself defending me. As I'm taking a months holiday I will be able to find the time to go down the local cop shop and find out WTF is happening.
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Andy wrote:
Well i've still not heard anything from the police as to weather or not they are going to prosicute the idiot who smashed a bottle over my head on the 10th of December. They still haven't been to see my friend who knew him from school who was a witness and got a smack himself defending me. As I'm taking a months holiday I will be able to find the time to go down the local cop shop and find out WTF is happening.
You ain't a criminal yourself so you are useless to the police as you can't give them info. Smackheads are the darlings of the force as they will do anything for a fix, so the police give them money to by a bag of brown and get info about bigger dealers.
You my friend have nothing for the police, so they will do absolutley fekk all to help you.
It's quite disgusting really.
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@mdma yer spot on.
A smack head on three occasions came up to my place of work and threatend to snap my legs, each time i reported it to the police and nothing happend. He even turned up at my girlfrinds house(now ex girlfriend)in a stolen car full of drugs and alcohol causing trouble. Again the police didn't do FA.
The last time he came to the market stall where I work and threatend to snap my legs and he through a fag butt at my face.
This time I said, "come on then try it." He ran off straight to the police station and claimed that I had threatend to kill him. It was me that got arrested. Fortunatly the CPS NFA'ed it.
But the policeman that came to arrest me (hands on very red face) had the gall to say, "Er we er like er know what he is like er so we will er not arrest you now but if you can come down the police station tomorrow we will arrest you then."
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mdma wrote:
You my friend have nothing for the police, so they will do absolutley fekk all to help you.
It's quite disgusting really.
Disgusting indeed.