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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Entertainment => Topic started by: Linchpin on December 09, 2004, 01:33:04 PM
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Say goodbye to the former pantera rocker Dimebag Darrell, currently of Damage Plan.
Shot dead whilst on stage at a gig in Ohio.
A sad day for metal fans worldwide :-(
CNN Link (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html)
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LinchpiN wrote:
Say goodbye to the former pantera rocker Dimebag Darrell, currently of Damage Plan.
Shot dead whilst on stage at a gig in Ohio.
A sad day for metal fans worldwide :-(
CNN Link (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html)
Disgusting!
Can someone please remind me why Americans insist on "The Right to Bear Arms? TM (c) (c) All Rights Reserved"?
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@ mdma
Let's wait and see whether the assailant was legally entitled to possess a weapon before condemning the US 'right to bear arms.'
Even if he had the gun legally, I don't think the 'right to bear arms' also implies 'the right to shoot people at a gig'.
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Holy {bleep}ing {bleep}!
That's just... :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:
(Can't think of any words that won't get censored)
I was never that big a fan of Pantera, I liked most of their stuff, but I never went out of my way to listen to them. I still haven't heard anything by Damage Plan either. But bloody hell...
Glad the policeman was there and killded the bugger, but that's way too good for him.
I bet you the media blames the music for this too :pissed: :pissed:
Goddamn it!
Goodbye Dimebag :-(
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X-ray wrote:
@ mdma
Let's wait and see whether the assailant was legally entitled to possess a weapon before condemning the US 'right to bear arms.'
Even if he had the gun legally, I don't think the 'right to bear arms' also implies 'the right to shoot people at a gig'.
Legally held or not it makes no difference.
If the public were not allowed to use guns, then there would be less guns on the streets, and therefore less shootings.
I ask you, which is more dangerous, Heroin or a loaded gun in the hands of a nutcase?
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"...If the public were not allowed to use guns, then there would be less guns on the streets, and therefore less shootings..."
Well, you have made an assumption there, mdma:
That the gun used in the shooting was legally held by an individual, either the shooter himself, or an individual from which the shooter 'acquired' the gun.
"...I ask you, which is more dangerous, Heroin or a loaded gun in the hands of a nutcase?..."
That's not a relevant statement at all. I could say what's more dangerous, a scalpel in the hands of a doctor who is off his rocker, or a doped up pilot at the controls of a Cessna?
These comparisons aren't useful.
What will be useful is to find out a bit more about this case:
1) Whose gun was it?
2) How did the assailant get the gun?
3) Was any attempt made by the organisers of the gig to make sure that weapons were not brought onto the premises?
In SA I frequently have to put up with the inconvenience of being scanned with a Garrett wand upon entering certain premises, including bars and casinos. I have to hand over my gun and it gets locked in a safe. This even happened at a scrap yard when I went looking for a dash component for my old Ford.
Even when entering banks, I still get scanned even though I can't possibly get any money from the staff, or hurt them behind the glass. The guard still scans me and demands ID and gun license before he lets me in.
Maybe what you want is better control over people going to these gigs with regards to weapons. There isn't any reason for someone to have weapons at a gig.
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Come on guys!
I didnt open this thread to debate on guns being right / wrong. Just as a way to kinda say farewell to one of (imho) the best rockers in the metal world. Yes it sucks he was killed, even moreso by some loonie with a gun, but please dont turn this thread into some political argument like a lot of other threads on forums around here.
Guns have there place, and there time, just like 99.9% of things in this world. You may agree, you may not, thats not the point here. The point is someone here has been killed, and left behind a family, friends and a very large base of supporters / fans worldwide. Arguing about gun's isnt going to put that right.
Kev
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LinchpiN wrote:
Just as a way to kinda say farewell to one of (imho) the best rockers in the metal world. Yes it sucks he was killed, even moreso by some loonie with a gun
It sucks that he was killed infront of his fans too.
December 8th 1980 John Lennon died infront of his fans by a madman weilding a gun. The more things change...
I don't care who doesn't like me comparing Dimebag to Lennon - they were both very important figures to the people who cared.
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Exactly. And you gotta admit, Pantera had a really big following in the Metal Scene, and were very widley respected. (Damage Plan Also).
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I was totally shocked by this news. I heard in passing on the news "Attack at Rock concert, shots fired involving band Damage Plan" on the news this morning but did not see the actual report. I just heard it on the radio and couldn't believe my ears. Completely unexpected, speechless. I have never idolised any celebrity or muscian, but few like Dimebag really seemed just so down to earth. I also seem to be one of the few who actually liked Damage Plan.
Damn this sucks, please don't make this a pro / anti gun thread.
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Hey red - Nothing wrong with a Bit o' DP :-P
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X-ray wrote:
"...If the public were not allowed to use guns, then there would be less guns on the streets, and therefore less shootings..."
Well, you have made an assumption there, mdma:
That the gun used in the shooting was legally held by an individual, either the shooter himself, or an individual from which the shooter 'acquired' the gun.
"...I ask you, which is more dangerous, Heroin or a loaded gun in the hands of a nutcase?..."
That's not a relevant statement at all. I could say what's more dangerous, a scalpel in the hands of a doctor who is off his rocker, or a doped up pilot at the controls of a Cessna?
These comparisons aren't useful.
What will be useful is to find out a bit more about this case:
1) Whose gun was it?
2) How did the assailant get the gun?
3) Was any attempt made by the organisers of the gig to make sure that weapons were not brought onto the premises?
In SA I frequently have to put up with the inconvenience of being scanned with a Garrett wand upon entering certain premises, including bars and casinos. I have to hand over my gun and it gets locked in a safe. This even happened at a scrap yard when I went looking for a dash component for my old Ford.
Even when entering banks, I still get scanned even though I can't possibly get any money from the staff, or hurt them behind the glass. The guard still scans me and demands ID and gun license before he lets me in.
Maybe what you want is better control over people going to these gigs with regards to weapons. There isn't any reason for someone to have weapons at a gig.
You made an incorrect assumption.
I was assuming the handgun was stolen to give weight to my argument, that if guns were illegal then there would be less chance of someone having one upon their person. Therefore less chance of someone getting shot.
If a bloke feels the need to carry a gun, then in my opinion they are soft as sh!t and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. If somebody this soft didn't have access to a gun then they wouldn't be able to carry out a gun related crime.
There are less gun crimes in the UK for this very reason.
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In accordance with LinchPin's and Red's wishes, I'll post my reply to this in a new thread.
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X-ray wrote:
In accordance with LinchPin's and Red's wishes, I'll post my reply to this in a new thread.
Thank you. Maybe another day I'll argue it.
Damn, still thinking about this.
Shocked, saddened, appaled. He was just a beer drinking, fun loving down to earth guy.
Let's also not forget this nut killed 4 others besides Dimebag.. Too bad this scumbag can only die once...
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RIP Dimebag. :-(
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Yeah, I remember watching pantera live on the Reinventing the Steel Tour. What an amazing band, the energy was amazing. Hopefully, Vinnie can continue the Darrell Family name with the Metal they once created.
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Apparently, the killer (i cant remember his name) shouted out something along the lines of "You Split Pantera" before he shot Dimebag at point blank range. The dude never stood a chance. :-(
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WTF?!
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Yeah...
You should have tried getting onto pantera.com last night. Impossible.
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Same with DamagePlan.com (http://www.DamagePlan.com) although they now have a photo of Dimebag on the front page.
Metal Hammer (http://www.metalhammer.co.uk) has a front page tribute, their whole front news page is covered with articles, tributes (from Anselmo, Mustaine and loads more) and details of all the victims.
They've even put up a mugshot of the {bleep} who caused it all.
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Final Murder Victim Named (http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8352&type=NWS)
The final victim to be named in the Ohio club massacre which took the lives of Damageplan guitarist Dimebag Darrell, fan Nathan Bray and roadie Erin Halk is Damageplan's tour manager Jeff Thompson (pictured).
I must stress you to read the rest of that page (it's only another 2 paragraphs, but it should be read).
The Face Of A Killer (http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8353&type=NWS)
A photo of Nathan Gale, the man who police allege shot and killed four people and wounded an undetermined number of others at Wednesday's Damageplan show, has been posted online along with details of his background which pertain to "mental health issues."
Read the rest of this one too please (slightly longer than the last one).
It was a (official) nutcase's assassination plan.
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Such a loss...
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:-( :-(
Holly {bleep}!! I only knew about this today...
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Friday night at my local Metal Club was like Pantera night... Fantastic, but also very sad at the same time.
Kev
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Did anyone watch the Dimebag Tribute on Headbangers ball last night? They played, like 6 songs (on MTV2). Only 6! You would think that a band as big as pantera they would have played a lot more...
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{bleep}e!!! I completely forgot about it :-(
Sounds like I didn't miss much anyways :-(
I got Kerrang for the first time in months today to read about Dimebag. They said that the guy shot him in the head 5 times. 5!?
Definitely a man on a mission :pissed:
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The right to bear arms is only slightly less silly than the right to arm bears. But perhaps when they wrote the constitution they meant to have the right to wear t-shirts, the right to bare arms :-D
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:lol:
This isn't the groaner's thread ;-)
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Cheers ViNcE!
Anyone see the Dimebag Darrell Tribute (again) on MTV2 the other night? (Headbanger's Ball?) Twas on again for people like vince over there :-D
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{bleep}ity {bleep}ity {bleep}ity {bleep}ity {bleep}ity {bleep} {bleep} {bleep} and bollocks.
If you know it's going to be on again let me know before please :-D
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On pantera.com (http://www.pantera.com) there's a video link of Phil Anselmo's statement (http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~alfieii/pantera/philspeaks.html) (8mb wmv file).
There's also an article by local roadies (http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~alfieii/pantera/roadie.html) about what happened that night. Read it - there's more to the story than has been told already.
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Vincent wrote:
On pantera.com (http://www.pantera.com) there's a video link of Phil Anselmo's statement (http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~alfieii/pantera/philspeaks.html) (8mb wmv file).
Oh s**t, I was affraid of this. Phil wacked out of his brain and "going away for a very long time". Does that sound like a suicide note to you? Ever since this happened I worried that Phil and/or Vinnie would off themselves. Mostly worried about Phil doing it since he's been on smack, and obviously not terribly mentally stable :-(
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I never saw it that way at all. I couldn't honestly care about Phil now. After all the sh*t that happened when he left Pantera and seeing interviews with him afterwards he was the self-proclaimed saviour of Pantera. He was what made the band apparently (which in a sense was true, but they were looking for a change of direction before Phil joined them anyway). I just cannot see past his inflated ego to care about him anymore. Which is a shame because he was a great frontman when he was in Pantera.
I think (and hope) Vinnie will be okay. He always seemed to be the stronger of the brothers to me.