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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaFreak on December 06, 2004, 12:29:38 AM
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Christmas is so close now!
I'm looking for suggestions on what I should ask my family for.
A1200 setup?, A4000? A PC that can (really) run the OS 3.1 WinUAE setup I have. What do you all suggest I ask for? :-?
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If you haven't got a PC already, then get that and run WINUAE. You'll benefit from all the other PC-related things that are difficult to do on a classic Amiga.
I couldn't do any of the raytracing, X-ray scanning, photo printing and encryption that I do now, on the Amiga. It is either because the appropriate software doesn't exist, or the speed of the Amiga is too slow.
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The Lord of the Rings trilogy boxed set?
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@AmigaFreak
I would recommend a nice and white A1200 with an Apollo1260 in side !
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A fast PC so you can run WinUAE! That would get you the best of both worlds.
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Whilst I concur with what the other posters have said (with regards to getting a PC), I really don't know what the hype is with WinUAE. I'd take a real Amiga over WinUAE anyday, but it all depends on your needs.
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Depends what you want to use it for.
If you want to play the latest games, browse the internet, edit movies, burn DVD's etc and also run UAE for old Amiga software then get a PC.
If all you want to do is play Amiga games and use some old apps then get a A1200 with an internal HD and an 030 card - an A4000 is overkill :-)
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If one has a 1GHz AMD PC with all the usual bells and whistles that boots into Amiga Forever, he just might have the equivalent of an A1. :-)
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If one has a 1GHz AMD PC with all the usual bells and whistles that boots into Amiga Forever, he just might have the equivalent of an A1.:-)
Well, it's certainly more powerfull in this way, but...you don't have the real thing! :-)
I just bought another A1200 with HD for simply playing my favorite games.
I also have a pc nowadays (for DVD burning stuff), but will not run UAE on it.
For our friend here, I also would suggest to buy a real Amiga. :-)
Bye,
Spidey
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Unless you really like the classic hardware, I think a new PC/WinUAE is a much more useful gift. Plus, "real" 50/60HZ screens are very hard on the eyes.
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Well, if you really like the Amiga and AmigaOS4 is a thing you would like to use then a PPC machine wouldn't be that bad. Wether an old CyberstormPPC card or a new PPC machine is more difficult to answer. I suppose the added speed is cool with a Cyberstorm PPC in an A4000 even for those classic apps, all in the same machine with possibility of running AOS4 , but it's kind of expensive and newer PPC machines are much faster, so you decide. It's still probably less expensive than a new PPC machine. And you'll probably be able to sell it for the same price you bought it if you decide to upgrade. Beware that the CyberstormPPC could die I guess, because they're getting older and they seem to be sensitive cards or something. I think a more sensible option would be to have a Classic machine like the A1200 with an 030 or 040 for that Classic felling and a new PPC machine ( now or wait a bit) for AOS4.
[EDIT] Ok there's MOS and Pegasus too to be completely imparcial, eventhough to say the truth things don't seem to be going well there.
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PC isn't more poweful because you won't have OS4, and if OS4 takes off (like you all want it to) then you will be kicking yourself when youre skint and cant buy a machine that runs it
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KennyR wrote:
The Lord of the Rings trilogy boxed set?
Apparently "Van Helsing" on DVD is the ultimate Xmas gift. Apparently.... Apparently...
*real world ripples away to reveal dream sequence*
Twas merely weeks before Xmas:
Mum: "Did you get that super PC system for the boy?"
Dad: "Even better than that!"
Mum: "One of those A1 or Pegaos thingies?"
Dad: "I was just about to get one when I saw this!"
Mum: "Van Helsing on DVD? Oh my! The ultimate Christmas Gift! I had no idea you were planning this!"
Dad: "Yep. We can get the DVD player for his birthday..."
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hay..ask for an A1200 whit ppc/060 combo and Mediator PCI board...that is great setUp..and its ready for OS4...
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Ask for an Amiga 1 uA1XC ITX setup. Car hook-up kit and "A Monaro !". . . :-D
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@ The_Editor
They're fast I agree - but they look a little crap though don't you think?
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adz wrote:
Whilst I concur with what the other posters have said (with regards to getting a PC), I really don't know what the hype is with WinUAE. I'd take a real Amiga over WinUAE anyday, but it all depends on your needs.
it's not that WinUAE is "better" than a real amiga, it's that if you put it on a laptop, you now have a PORTABLE Amiga. And THAT is very good!
personally, if I had the money now, i'd get a micro.
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Josh, if you would have seen my Pegasos before I sent it off, you would have liked it. But now that they are having problems I wouldnt recommend a Peg or a A1. Wait for a few months to see what goes on. Get a fast PC then you can do alot.. Linux, Windows, WinUAE, -> AROS <-... they have a good downloadable AROS on the net..check it out..or stop by my place if you have time and you can get the copy I burned off the net.
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Oh I dunno ...
(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/01/monarocv804_02.jpg)
Looks pretty damn fine to me...
(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/01/monarocv804_inter.jpg)
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Facing the same situation myself... I may not be able to afford a A1 unless I sold just about every computer thing I own... Right now I have enough to sell that I could get an Amiga 4000/040 or better and then try and get a Cyberstorm PPC for 400-500 later when OS4 comes out. It seems like the most realistic for me, but I'm not sure if a 200-266MHZ PPC will run OS4 ok or not. And Amiga Forever will do as good as the 040 if not better. So I'm really still unsure myself...
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I think there was a Betatester on here who said that his Blizzard PPC 603e 160mhz with BVision ran OS4 quickly, he also said that it emulated at least as fast as the 25mhz 68040 he also had on board, I can't remember who said it though.
I hope a CSPPC 233mhz will run OS4 anyways :-)
Robert
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AmigaFreak wrote:
Christmas is so close now!
I'm looking for suggestions on what I should ask my family for.
A1200 setup?, A4000? A PC that can (really) run the OS 3.1 WinUAE setup I have. What do you all suggest I ask for? :-?
If you're the same kind of amiga freak as me, you'll go for A1+OS4.
I also have a pegasos but in light of recent developments there, I'd hold off to see what happens.
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@cecilia
You make a valid point, but it still doesn't feel right, I just don't like the feel of WinUAE.
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AccyD wrote:
@ The_Editor
They're fast I agree - but they look a little crap though don't you think?
Your treading on very thin ice there, them there is fightin' words to a Holden nut, me personally I like Fords, so i'll take one of these (http://www.fpv.com.au/index.asp?link_id=2.440) for Christmas :-D
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PC isn't more poweful because you won't have OS4, and if OS4 takes off (like you all want it to) then you will be kicking yourself when youre skint and cant buy a machine that runs it.
The cynic in me thinks that by the time OS4 is fully released, then someone will have merged the PPC-JIT code from QEMU or PearPC into UAE and itix could compile his OS4EMU as a 3.9 application to make use of the emulated PPC.
An Athlon64 4000+ with PPC-JIT would p!ss over any current A1 available.
I've just compiled E-UAE to 64bit native code on a 64bit kernel on my Athlon64-3200+ I'll let you know in a while how much faster it is than 32bit compiled.
You never know, I might have go at merging one of the PPC-JIT compilers into the E-UAE source. Depends how hard it is, I'm not the best coder in the world.
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The cynic in me thinks that by the time OS4 is fully released, then someone will have merged the PPC-JIT code from QEMU or PearPC into UAE and itix could compile his OS4EMU as a 3.9 application to make use of the emulated PPC.
An Athlon64 4000+ with PPC-JIT would p!ss over any current A1 available.
See, now doesn't native code look all that much sillier? That's why I liked the idea of DE so much. Since I started working with Perl, PHP, and Java, I really don't want to go back to native code.
Anyway, these days you're either Mac, Amiga, or PC, since everything else works on PC hardware. If you want to use classic Amiga software, either a 1200 or a WinUAE PC will do great. If you want something more substansial, like any of the various PPC accelerated Amiga programs, you'd be better off with a Windows box where Internet Explorer has been immediately replaced with Firefox. Plenty of Linux software is available for Windows that replaces many of Microsoft's braindead tools, and XP is a lot more stable than people give it credit (with IE disabled, that is).
Also keep in mind the limitations of Amiga web browsers. The world is using a lot more CSS, DOM, and [advanced] Javascript now that Mozilla is getting a major following.
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Wasn"t someone trying to port Mozilla to the Amiga? :-?
Maybe they could call the Amiga version Phoenix (after the dead bird that arises again from its' ashes) :banana:
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If I asked my family for 'another' Amiga, they'd have me committed...
Firstly, they'd have no idea where to get an Amiga, other than eBay,(and getting your stuff from there is a sizeable risk these days...)
Second, I have too many already!!!