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Title: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: KennyR on December 02, 2004, 03:03:03 AM
I saw an interesting documentary tonight about a boy scout who built his own nuclear reactor in his shed. This isn't a joke.

Here's a link to the story (http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s595641.htm).

Using home products, americium from around 300 smoke detectors, thorium in gas lantern mantles, and radium in paint found in old clocks, he managed to construct a nuclear reactor in the back of his shed. He only got worried and was caught by the police after the radiation from his makeshift reactor became so strong he could detect it all the way across the street. The EPA had to come and dismantle his shed and bury it in a nuclear waste dump in Nevada.

Yes...the Boy Scouts do have an Atomic Energy badge.
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: that_punk_guy on December 02, 2004, 05:37:16 AM
Hardcore.
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2004, 11:48:19 AM
Drop dead MacGyver! :lol:
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Cymric on December 02, 2004, 12:09:40 PM
Holy crap. This kid wasn't kidding :-). I wonder how large his yearly dose was; I'm betting it was way above the recommended safety level of 20 mSv/a for a radiological worker...
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on December 02, 2004, 01:28:48 PM
I don't believe it for a second!
Title: Re: The nuclear family
Post by: blobrana on December 02, 2004, 02:47:14 PM
Hum,
Yeah, there is the possibility that he did create a few atoms of plutonium.
Easy enough to do really...

In fact, it`s  so simple that a kid could do it.

Title: Re: The nuclear family
Post by: cecilia on December 02, 2004, 02:53:07 PM
I want to know when he starts growing that second head out of his neck!
 :-o

(Eeewww, Manster!)
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Karlos on December 02, 2004, 03:34:49 PM
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
I don't believe it for a second!


I have read about it before in several places.
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: odin on December 02, 2004, 09:08:59 PM
:roflmao:

Duck!...and cooooooooooooover!

:-D
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: whabang on December 03, 2004, 09:22:21 AM
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Hardcore.

There's no other word for it! :-o
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: asian1 on December 04, 2004, 06:22:43 AM
Hi
It's a true story! I read about the Genius kid from Reader's Digest:

http://www.aaabooksearch.com/Reviews/037550351X

The crazy experiment may shorten his life by few years.
All the sheds and equipments are dismantled and seized by D.O.E. atomic emergency team.

Imagine what happen if some crazy terorist use the same method to create dirty bombs. I read a book / article in a local Science magazine on how to create atomic bomb (disregard of the creator health - only for suicidal terrorist). I wonder why this book / article was published /released to the public.

BTW on the movie "Fourth Protocol", Pierce Brosnan plays a Soviet agent who create a small suicide atomic bomb in UK to start WW III. Is this based on real technology?

http://www.dropbears.com/amazon/asinsearch_6302816157.html
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: blobrana on December 04, 2004, 04:30:15 PM
Yeah,
the bomb facts are  based on simple polonium/beryllium initiators designs… (from here (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4-1.html))


As a side note an  ancient natural fission reactor was created 2,000 million years ago,  near Oklo (Gabon, West Africa)
it’s a weird case, and highlights of how  we sometimes forget how natural atomic reactors are…

Read about it here... (http://www.geocities.com/goarana669/speedlight.html)
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: asian1 on December 09, 2004, 03:47:02 PM
>Natural Reactor - 1 KW

Hi
Is this Natural Reactor dangerous to animals / plants around the Reactor?
Is the radiation cause DNA damage / evolution?

Is it possible to create a small, simple, portable and SAFE Nuclear Reactor for generating energy?
(ie 40 feet container, for emergency/ disaster area).
Thx.

Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Cymric on December 09, 2004, 04:03:43 PM
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asian1 wrote:
Is this Natural Reactor dangerous to animals / plants around the Reactor? Is the radiation cause DNA damage / evolution?

No, it's not dangerous anymore, save for the fact the area will probably have a higher background level of radiation; and the fact that the nasty gas radon poses a threat to anything that breathes there for a longer period of time. Second question: hard to say: the reactor was operational 2 billion years ago, meaning there wasn't any life worth mentioning in the vicinity. If there were, yes, it would have caused DNA damage, just like a modern reactor does today.

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Is it possible to create a small, simple, portable and SAFE Nuclear Reactor for generating energy?

First define what you think is acceptably safe, then we'll continue the discussion :-).
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on December 10, 2004, 12:16:26 PM
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asian1 wrote:
Hi
It's a true story! I read about the Genius kid from Reader's Digest:
....Reader's Digest..... :roll: (no offense)
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Karlos on December 10, 2004, 12:23:55 PM
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Cymric wrote:

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Is it possible to create a small, simple, portable and SAFE Nuclear Reactor for generating energy?

First define what you think is acceptably safe, then we'll continue the discussion :-).


Never trust an engineer until you had the maths checked by someone else ;-)
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: Karlos on December 10, 2004, 12:25:52 PM
@speel

Actually there was a documentary made about this too. Of course one shouldn't believe everything you see on TV, but in this case I'm inclined to.
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: PMC on December 10, 2004, 12:32:03 PM
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Cymric wrote:
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asian1 wrote:

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Is it possible to create a small, simple, portable and SAFE Nuclear Reactor for generating energy?

First define what you think is acceptably safe, then we'll continue the discussion :-).


Not siting the reactor above a fault line, in a flood prone area or making sure the plant is kept in good working order all help.

The fall of communism in Eastern Europe allowed western nuclear inspectors into the Soviet era nuclear plants and they were apalled at what they saw.  Electrical relays were held in place with empty cigarette packs, a nuclear plant was actually constructed on top of a known fault line and employed some scarily low quality construction techniques.  

Of course, this yeilded the Soviet Union plentiful supplies of weapons grade material but the legacy of the old plants remain - as does the reactors inside dozens of rusting hulks permanantly moored in ex soviet naval yards.
Title: Re: The nuclear boy scout
Post by: blobrana on December 10, 2004, 09:25:52 PM
Hum,
is the University of California`s reactor hidden away under the gym building count/still working?


BTW There is the curious case of das boot U-234 (http://www.ihffilm.com/840.html)'s uranium oxide shipment…

It’s worth a look at as a quirk of fate; canada/britian could have been the first to have had the bomb...but the boat was given up to the americans...and kicked started the the manhattan Project (http://people.smu.edu/gsolomon/CHRONOLOGY.HTML).