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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Conspirator on November 22, 2004, 09:07:07 PM
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Found this in my snooping. 10 to 1 odds that BBRV will say that it's not only David Gerber's fault that he didn't get paid, but David Gerber's fault for killing MorphOS. Note the date in the URL of 11/23.
http://www.genesi.lu/press.php?date=20041123
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Frankfurt, Germany -- Genesi announced today that it would no longer directly support third party or external MorphOS development. "We will continue to develop MorphOS internally for embedded markets and specific projects using the 1.4 release," stated Gerald Carda, CTO of Genesi.
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(Interestingly, "the word" around IRC-land is that BBRV is using David as an excuse to dump MorphOS and has already entered talks with HYPErion to put AmigaOS on the Pegasos).
MorphOS Rulz!
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Deja Vu? Didn't this thread already get deleted? Or could it be that I've AGAIN entered that time wormhole, by mistake?
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Conspirator,
This thread has already been removed but I will allow it because it was, and IMHO still is a valid post. The original thread was deleted accidentally by a moderator who clicked on the wrong icon. If this thread gets out of hand, I will lock it, but as of now, the post remains.
As I said, had I not personally witnessed the URL in question (pre-damage control), I would not have allowed the post in the first place, so I would ask that you not perpetually ignore the guidelines of posting here.
As it stands however, I agree with the other person in the former thread that this is a typical tactic by BBRV to threaten certain people to "toe the line or get screwed" (which sounds very familiar to me). I also agree with the idea that he's using the situation to drop MorphOS and have David Gerber as "the fall guy" for it all.
I do hope that despite this rumor, KMOS/Hyperion weren't stupid enough to go into any sort of deal with Bill Buck after everything that's happened, because I don't want to see anyone screwed in this situation, least of all the MorphOS team. Whether or not you like MorphOS is irrelevant. The team itself (the innocents in all of this) produced a tight little OS and for that they should at least have your respect, if not your approval.
Wayne
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And we're back..
The team itself (the innocents in all of this) produced a tight little OS and for that they should at least have your respect, if not your approval.
Like I said in the previous thread..... (just before it went bey bey)
No argument here... Not to mention the first 1000 to 2000 Pegasos buyers who bought it for MOS. It seems a bit unfair that they spent the money for something that seems to have lasted a few years while Genesi wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for them. That's a IMHO, take it as you want.
If MOS goes, it's allround bad news for the entire Amiga platform, whatever color you believe in.
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Yup, Cat is out of the bag. They've changed the page.
Though it sounds kind of similar to a post BBRV made on Morphzone about a week ago.
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=3071&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0
"... We just finished a good discussion with Stefan and we think we can clear this issue too so this will not be a problem for MorphOS and its future. Then we can worry about Ambient or other alternatives. If not (but I think we can), MorphOS will head to the embedded markets and we will continue to develop the platform with Linux."
I take it things didn't go well in their talks. Then again BB did say the Morphos wasn't their priority.
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@Wayne:
The team itself (the innocents in all of this) produced a tight little OS and for that they should at least have your respect, if not your approval.
And that they have.
As one of the few to use both 'red' and 'blue' systems, I appreciate the work of both teams. (I'm typing this on OS4 beta and browsing amigaworld.net on MOS1.4 at the same time - I can just see the cheer leaders on both sides having cardiac arrest at the thought. :lol: )
I hope the development of MOS is continued as it is an excellent OS.
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seer wrote:
And we're back..
The team itself (the innocents in all of this) produced a tight little OS and for that they should at least have your respect, if not your approval.
Like I said in the previous thread..... (just before it went bey bey)
No argument here... Not to mention the first 1000 to 2000 Pegasos buyers who bought it for MOS. It seems a bit unfair that they spent the money for something that seems to have lasted a few years while Genesi wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for them. That's a IMHO, take it as you want.
If MOS goes, it's allround bad news for the entire Amiga platform, whatever color you believe in.
All is not lost, should MOS be "dumped", then owners of the Pegasos boards are welcome to use AROS, and bring AROS up to spec on the PPC :-)
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Interesting times indeed!
Time for MOS on Mac or MOL?
MOS on iBooks that would rock!
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@Bloodline
Hmm... MROS ? Morph Research OS ? :-D
A (closer) joint effort might be interesting tho.. Giving both OSes a boost in several areas..
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bloodline wrote:
All is not lost, should MOS be "dumped", then owners of the Pegasos boards are welcome to use AROS, and bring AROS up to spec on the PPC :-)
Not likely I'm afraid, bloodline: we MOS users wouldn't find AROS very useful without integrated legacy 68k emulation. We're already spoilt being able to run 68k, PUP, WOS, and even now simple OS4 apps, many can't see the point in downgrading functionality. If the worst happens, most likely they'll either sell their Pegasos or move to Linux. Not many will go the OS4 route, for sure.
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There's a Pegasos port of AROS?
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Not yet. There hasn't been any good reason to spend time porting it, I suppose.
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IIRC, it's stricktly limited to booting the aros kernel is as far as Michal has gotten with the AROS port. He has since given up on the port and is offering the cpu/mobo to whomever wants to attempt a port.
Dammy
TeamAROS
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AROS is pretty cool btw. I need to get another HD though that way I can install it.. My system is pretty much maxed out.. LOL
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@Wilse,
Didn't mean to leave anyone out. I agree that both teams have done a great job with their respective jobs. It's just too bad they don't get along.
Wayne
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KennyR wrote:
bloodline wrote:
All is not lost, should MOS be "dumped", then owners of the Pegasos boards are welcome to use AROS, and bring AROS up to spec on the PPC :-)
Not likely I'm afraid, bloodline: we MOS users wouldn't find AROS very useful without integrated legacy 68k emulation. We're already spoilt being able to run 68k, PUP, WOS, and even now simple OS4 apps, many can't see the point in downgrading functionality. If the worst happens, most likely they'll either sell their Pegasos or move to Linux. Not many will go the OS4 route, for sure.
Well if they sell their pegs thats more OS 4 users. It strikes me as a case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. Same goes for developers who refuse to port to either platform - at the end of the day they are only loosing sales. Not hurting anyone but themselves. Some may buy 2nd hand pegs for linux, but I doubt it as I cant see second hand pegs going cheaper than cheaper and new X86 boxes.
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Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well if they sell their pegs thats more OS 4 users. It strikes me as a case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. Same goes for developers who refuse to port to either platform - at the end of the day they are only loosing sales. Not hurting anyone but themselves.
For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option. Better to let the community to die than reward the people who split it.
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Im sure thats what many people on the other side of the fence think of BBRV too :-/
What would happen if the MOS developers got together with the AROS team? Is that a possibility?
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Conspirator wrote:
Found this in my snooping. 10 to 1 odds that BBRV will say that it's not only David Gerber's fault that he didn't get paid, but David Gerber's fault for killing MorphOS. Note the date in the URL of 11/23.
http://www.genesi.lu/press.php?date=20041123
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Frankfurt, Germany -- Genesi announced today that it would no longer directly support third party or external MorphOS development. "We will continue to develop MorphOS internally for embedded markets and specific projects using the 1.4 release," stated Gerald Carda, CTO of Genesi.
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(Interestingly, "the word" around IRC-land is that BBRV is using David as an excuse to dump MorphOS and has already entered talks with HYPErion to put AmigaOS on the Pegasos).
MorphOS Rulz!
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Found this link on ann.lu
http://bigfoot.morphos.net/test/pressrelease_20041123.html (http://bigfoot.morphos.net/test/pressrelease_20041123.html)
I find it amusing, others might not.
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For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option. Better to let the community to die than reward the people who split it.
I disagree. I am "pro-MOS", (NOT Pro-Pegasos..2 different things). If MOS devel said "we're done..no more MOS" (meaning, NOTHING, NADA), then I would 100% support Hyperion. Its only a matter of time till OS4 catches up to MOS (assuming MOS development stops completely). And their desktop (I dont know what they call it), looks pretty damn good!
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Wilse wrote:
What would happen if the MOS developers got together with the AROS team? Is that a possibility?
It's a possibility that some (ex-)MorphOS core developers might contribute to AROS, but we can all forget adding lots of MOS code to it. Genesi, contrary to my statements some days back, own too much of it.
But what would be the point anyway? AROS is interesting from an intellectual point of view, but it's ability to run on cheap, powerful hardware means nothing to most if you don't actually have anything to run on it.
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TheMagicM wrote:
I disagree. I am "pro-MOS", (NOT Pro-Pegasos..2 different things). If MOS devel said "we're done..no more MOS" (meaning, NOTHING, NADA), then I would 100% support Hyperion.
Maybe one day I should send you an archive of Ben Hermans and Steffen Häuser quotes from ANN. I wonder if you'd support them after reading some of it.
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You don't always need the codebase, just the knowledge and the time and effort to reproduce the stuff you cant directly use (not talking reverse engineering or anything dodgy, just creating compatible API's).
My actual thought was rewriting the "bits you cant use cause genesi owns them" around AROS and using that to create some sort of OpenMOS....?
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KennyR wrote:
For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option.
Beg to differ. Both 'sides' have been guilty of various damaging acts. My main concern is that I have a computing platform I like. Both MOS and OS4 provide that. Not using something you would enjoy using, simply because you don't think the people who made it are nice enough, seems silly to me in this instance.
I will continue to use MOS, as I like it very much. I predict I will be using OS4 more and more for the same reason.
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Karlos wrote:
You don't always need the codebase, just the knowledge and the time and effort to reproduce the stuff you cant directly use (not talking reverse engineering or anything dodgy, just creating compatible API's).
My actual thought was rewriting the "bits you cant use cause genesi owns them" around AROS and using that to create some sort of OpenMOS....?
And the MOS team are very good at creating compatable API's
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Wilse wrote:
Not using something you would enjoy using, simply because you don't think the people who made it are nice enough, seems silly to me in this instance.
Unfortunately wilse, you're in the minority. If OS4 died tomorrow, I doubt MOS's ranks would be swelled by ex-OS4 users. If MOS dies, there will be no mass exodus to help the OS4 side. The divide between them is just too deep and bitter. It'll never be healed.
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@Kenny:
That's a shame and frankly pathetic. If we use moral grounds as a reason to boycott everyday items, we would hardly be able to use anything.
If that really is the case, they should grow up.
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I see where you're coming from kenny, but I think there are quite a few people who are more concerned with having a useable OS that they are comfortable with and enjoy, than getting caught up in the 'politics' of the situation.
Of course, you're probably in a better position to gauge the emotions of the people on the MOS side, for example. But at the same time, I think a lot of this 'blue' and 'red' business is overblown.
And without meaning to point these remarks at anyone in particular, I think there are many of us who find the whole 'red' and 'blue' thing as futile and misguided as you view patriotism, for example.
Regards
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Wilse wrote:
@Kenny:
That's a shame and frankly pathetic. If we use moral grounds as a reason to boycott everyday items, we would hardly be able to use anything.
If that really is the case, they should grow up.
@ Wilse
hear hear
Imagine explaining this situation to a 'layman', they'd proably find the whole situation preposterous.
All this fuss over a couple of bloody computers!
It's like two old friends who won't speak to each other anymore, because of some silly incident that happened.
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The divide between them is just too deep and bitter. It'll never be healed.
Again, I disagree. Time heals all. And why would OS4 die anyway? Seems like out of all of this..they're still afloat and coding despite what all went on w/BBRV vs. AI.
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KennyR wrote:
It'll never be healed.
never say never :-)
Repeat after me: The glass is half full...
...of your favourite beverage :-)
If the users are prepared to perpetuate the antipathy of the people behind the platform(s), they fully deserve the same fate. However, if they are prepared to put aside their differences, there is no reason things can't be worked on for the better.
The community was divided originally by a few people with very large egos, but there is no reasons that in the absence of their influence that the users should continue along the same vein.
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Cyberus wrote:
I see where you're coming from kenny, but I think there are quite a few people who are more concerned with having a useable OS that they are comfortable with and enjoy, than getting caught up in the 'politics' of the situation.
And what would they run it on? Even buying the actual hardware means you're getting caught up in the politics! Few MOS users could afford a muA1 for OS4 anyway, far less put up with the fact that this is basically a refurbished Linux board with a dodgy northbridge and perhaps more bugs lurking in its tracks. And then there's the licence fees to KMOS, which go with the purchase. What do you actually know about KMOS? What does anyone know? Why haven't they given us our damn vouchers yet? And you NEED that A1. OS4 just won't run on anything else.
Let's not also forget the fact that many of the longer-term MOS users (including most of its senior developers) strongly dislike Hyperion for things its representatives have said. This also includes my usergroup, #AmigaZeux. That's not going to change. Money talks, but Hyperion don't have money.
Go the other way? And buy a Pegasos, and you now instead have to consider Genesi. I already know what many in the OS4 camp think of Genesi and why I doubt many would come running if OS4 came to to Pegasos. Especially with this brand religion thing going on.
Third choise, AROS: as I already said, free from expensive proprietary hardware and squabbling, untrustworthy pseudocompanies, but also free of legacy support. That already makes it useless for most people.
Having this usable OS is already more complicated than your, Wilse's, and TheMagicM's take on it. It seems you're always going to have to side with someone who might screw you.
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You know, I don't overly disagree with any of those points you have made. And as I said, I'm not particularly clued up on any of the next gen Amiga solutions. However, you have based those points on 'what may be perceived as facts' - see I'm being careful ;-).
But I don't think you would disagree with me, when I say that there are large amounts of users who base their opinion on 'emotion' rather than 'fact'. Do you see what I'm getting at?
I think you probably do, but I'll clarify.
You say an A1 is based on a T**** board with a dodgy northbridge, and to be honest, it doesn't matter how true that is - you are basing your choice of OS on the fact that you don't think the A1 is suitable. That is fine, that is your choice.
However, I still maintain that there is far too much emotion involved, and not enough practicality. There are people who refuse to use one system 'because it isn't a true Amiga' - what a load of BS! You see, they are basing their choice on emotion, and not on fact, or shall we say 'perceived fact'.
jeez, I went to make a cup of tea and was thinking to myself that I may have unintentionally come across as being blue-biased in this post, and that I ought to address that...I wasn't expecting a flamewar to erupt.
Anyway, to be even handed, which was my intention all along, its BS when people won't use OS4 because they don't like the developers or whatever. If they don't like the OS, or how its been implemented, then fine. But to disregard it as an option because of what someone said on a message board is childish, as Wilse pointed out.
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Go interrogate Bobson, Cyberus. Go ask him if he would consider MorphOS and Pegasos if the OS4 route became impossible. Then we'll see who's bitter. You'll probably find that he's as set in his ways as I am, as are most OS4 and MOS users. See what I mean?
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Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Would you buy a Pegasos if OS4 was ported to it?
If so, why? If not, why?
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dont let this one get out of hand guys. I'll edit your posts now. Keep to the topic at hand.
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Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)
Why? Because we would be fools to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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I can't help thinking the bitterness on both sides is pretty sad really :-(
I make no secret of the fact that I'm happy with OS4, but I don't own an A1* nor a Pegasos. As far as I can tell, MorphOS is a reasonably seasoned product and it would be a shame to see it dissapear. For all the antagonism, I think both OS's benefitted from each others existance in that each side is determined not to be out done by the other. MorphOS has achieved a remarkable level of backwards compatibility that OS4 is yet to match, but I don't doubt that it will do at some point.
The problem is that the bitterness has led to a situation in where a lot of users can't even begin to appreciate that the "rival" system has anything to offer them and are too prejudiced to even entertain the notion.
At the end of the day, it looks like it is Genesi doing the dirty on MorphOS development here; there's litte point in dredging up the red camp/blue camp thing - you have more immediate problems to address.
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*Although I have had loan of an A1 XE for a while. The DMA issue (as far as hard disk goes, that is) that is always brought was not in evidence there. This seems to be a bit of legacy FUD :-D
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@ Karlos
Indeed - A case of the thorn and the log methinks.
I repeat - I think KennyR is a bitter fool. Mod me again by all mean, I promise I wont go running crying "censorship, censorship" ;-)
And yes Kenny that was aimed at you.
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far less put up with the fact that this is basically a refurbished Linux board
Considering the latest announcements from genesi its not the A1 but the pegasos that looks like a "linux board" ;-)
And you NEED that A1. OS4 just won't run on anything else.
OS4 will run on Classic PPC Amigas and there are a lot of people who will use it on their A1200/4000s. And I think 99% of them would also have tried out Morphos on their Classics if it had come for free like bbrv once announced.
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Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)
I should think so too. It seems to be the only way you'll get altivec, ethernet and DMA.
:)
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Damn it, you beat me to it.
So, What about this webpage? Think there will be anything announced now on the 23rd? What do you think are the Mos Dev Teams options?
If the core Dev Team is with Genesi, could there possibly be a fork in Morphos development? Or will Morphos have to go on without some componets?
How many Morphos developers are there and how many are in contractual dispute with Genesi?
You'd think that Genesi as a company would have Employee Complain & Grievance Policy and that their Independant Contract's contracts would have a Grievance Clause. Something that would invoke some kind of mediation with a third party or with mutual leagal representation.
Any way, carry on. No hitting below the belt. We want to see good clean debate.
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tou·ché but it all works fine on my UA1c (but my box doesnt have altivec - altivec is enabled in OS4 though)
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@Kenny
If it were the case that all MOS development ceased, OS4 matured to the level of compatibility (perhaps including a MOS kernel wrapper type thingy for compatibility even with MOS native stuff) *and* a liscenced OS4 port became available for the pegasos (OK, these are big ifs, but for sake of argument), would you consider getting it?
I guess what I mean is, in the absence of an amiga-like alternative (no offence to the AROS folks there), what would not supporting it achieve for the existing community?
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Im working on something with some people which should help further cross development, some of the people are blue. All your assumptions can be broken down. There is a difference between users and companies - it would do you no harm at all if you'd learn to tell the difference.
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Easy now, fellers. It's a feckin computer system, not your respective missus' your'e getting upset over.
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Im not upset at all - I actually find the whole situation quite funny :-)
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Karlos wrote:
If it were the case that all MOS development ceased, OS4 matured to the level of compatibility (perhaps including a MOS kernel wrapper type thingy for compatibility even with MOS native stuff) *and* a liscenced OS4 port became available for the pegasos (OK, these are big ifs, but for sake of argument), would you consider getting it?
If MOS development were to cease, no, I would not consider OS4. I waited too long for it already, and I've come dislike it's direction, implementation, and especially its fanbase. More importantly, I'm not interested in supporting KMOS/AmigaInc/whoever, because they've given me absolutely no reason to and plenty of reasons not to.
MOS is my last attempt at recapturing some element of 80s and early 90s computing fun. If it fails, I'll just give up computing for good and take another hobby, maybe keep a machine for IRC and browsing, but nothing else. But that's me finished, no more hardware, no more software. I'm sick to the end.
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Karlos wrote:
Easy now, fellers. It's a feckin computer system, not your respective missus' your'e getting upset over.
Yes!
Which is exactly what I believe Wilse, TheMagicM and I were getting at earlier in this thread; I alluded to the fact that people were getting too emotional about it all...
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Stay on topic!
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Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)
Why? Because we would be fools to look a gift horse in the mouth.
If OS4 did run on the Pegasos, and users did start to pick up pegs in large numbers, it would also mean the end of Eyetech. The OS4 crowd is their only market; they have had no success selling boards to run Linux due to the hardware problems, the high price, and the availability of better / lower-priced alternatives.
If Eyetech did go out of business, is this something that current OS4 users would feel comfortable with?
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Stay on Topic! Don't get Personal.
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ou'll probably find that he's as set in his ways as I am, as are most OS4 and MOS users. See what I mean?
I think there is a definite group on both sides that will not touch the other option come hell or high water. However I don't think this is "most users" on either side.
I for one can't see MorphOS being killed. At worst it could fork into two but I consider that highly unlikely (it may even be legally impssible). Even if MorphOS and Genesi were to part ways I expect MorphOS would continue but if that were the case I can't see how it would go on as anything other than a hobbiest project.
Some seem to think Genesi want to get rid of MorphOS but this is completely untrue (admittedly this could have changed in the last week). Genesi wanted to do big things with MorphOS and believe it has great promise, otherwise they wouldn't have put in so much money into paying for marketing and development - none of which they have recouped to date.
However I can't really see the two parting company, but what we may see is certain parts being removed and needing to be replaced.
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KennyR & Bobsonsirjonny:
If you two cant keep it from getting personal, dont bother posting again.
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@KennyR
Of course that's up to you, although I cant help thinking you have some strange issues there. I think the linux fanbase are a bunch of weirdos (thats the better end too), but it doesn't stop me tinkering with linux.
I don't give a monkeys for Genesi or Amiga Inc, but I don't prejudice MOS or OS4 based on who set them in motion or their existing supporters.
In general, we need more fellers like Wilse I reckon :-)
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Lando wrote:
Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)
Why? Because we would be fools to look a gift horse in the mouth.
If OS4 did run on the Pegasos, and users did start to pick up pegs in large numbers, it would also mean the end of Eyetech. The OS4 crowd is their only market; they have had no success selling boards to run Linux due to the hardware problems, the high price, and the availability of better / lower-priced alternatives.
If Eyetech did go out of business, is this something that current OS4 users would feel comfortable with?
I doubt Eyetech would go out of business, Alan Redhouse is a very clever man, and no doubt has interests in many other areas. Plus there is a distinct difference in terms of size, power and suitability of use between the ua1i and the Pegasos 2. One suits the industrial, one the desktop.
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Karlos wrote:
@KennyR
Of course that's up to you, although I cant help thinking you have some strange issues there. I think the linux fanbase are a bunch of weirdos (thats the better end too), but it doesn't stop me tinkering with linux.
I don't give a monkeys for Genesi or Amiga Inc, but I don't prejudice MOS or OS4 based on who set them in motion or their existing supporters.
In general, we need more fellers like Wilse I reckon :-)
Yeah, I like Wilse :-)
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@bobson
Can't help but feel you're the pot calling the kettle black here. Let's drop the petty name calling for a moment and be civil. We're both passionate about the OS we chose. We both made compromises as to certain things for this OS. Trying to trivialise my opinion just opens you up to the same trivialisation of yours. And you can spout your own vitreol too, I've seen you do it. And admit it: you wouldn't support Genesi in any way until hell froze over. I feel the same away about KMOS, and to a lesser extent Hyperion (although I'd buy their games, and I bought all their previous ones.) Where I have WrongPlanet, you have AmigaWorld - both bitterly controversial sites to those who don't appreciate them. We're not really all that different, you know.
But the fact that we're just not going to disagree should be ample evidence for anyone that the MOS and OS4 sides are just too far away from any kind of understanding. They *are* just computers, but that really doesn't make much difference. Too much water has gone under the bridge. While some users might consider it, most won't.
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Eyetech's business is more than just the Amiga market. Look that their site. Allen Redhouse has stated that they do sell PC hardware and other goods in that market. As they can not survive on the Amiga market alone. So, I doubt we'll see them closing up shop anytime soon.
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Damn, even I can't remember what I wrote now :lol:
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Agree to disagree...
We're all Amiga users no matter what the underlying OS is. Amiga OS 3.9 > to 1.0 on a Classic or UAE, Amiga OS 4.0, Morphos, etc. all run for for the most part the same programs. That's basically all we want is to run what we have or had on a faster better system. These OSs are nothing with out the programs that run on them. Yeah, just about everyone in the community has made a choice of which to use, but when I heard them talk about what they are using, it's basically the same on each setup. Yeah, there are differences but also commonalities.
Only that's not the topic. One of these choices has taken one hell of a blow and it doesn't seem that anyone really knows what is going to result.
I don't really follow Morphos development. So, can anyone tell me what specific part the four people listed on morphos.net worked on? I've heard MUI and Ambient mentioned.
That's a pretty big hit to have your GUI just walk away.
Are there more than just four disgruntled developers?
BBRV has stated a few times in the last week that Ralph is with Genesi. That would seem to leave them with the core of Morphos plus any parts he owns and whatever the devs have that stick with Ralph.
It should be an interesting week for Morphos users.
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KennyR wrote:
@bobson
Can't help but feel you're the pot calling the kettle black here. Let's drop the petty name calling for a moment and be civil. We're both passionate about the OS we chose. We both made compromises as to certain things for this OS. Trying to trivialise my opinion just opens you up to the same trivialisation of yours. And you can spout your own vitreol too, I've seen you do it. And admit it: you wouldn't support Genesi in any way until hell froze over. I feel the same away about KMOS, and to a lesser extent Hyperion (although I'd buy their games, and I bought all their previous ones.) Where I have WrongPlanet, you have AmigaWorld - both bitterly controversial sites to those who don't appreciate them. We're not really all that different, you know.
Flatter youself.. For a start I'm much taller than you ;-)
Loose a few faces and it would be more palatable I grant you.
But the fact that we're just not going to disagree should be ample evidence for anyone that the MOS and OS4 sides are just too far away from any kind of understanding. They *are* just computers, but that really doesn't make much difference. Too much water has gone under the bridge. While some users might consider it, most won't.
You and I not going to just disagree has nothing to do with blue and red - but all to do with you and I.
AmigaWorld cant be compared to Wrongpla.net, I find Amigaworld hilarious :-P (narf narf..)
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Stay on Topic.
You know that statment on that webpage mentioned in the first post. What it could mean to Morphos development and Genesi.
Don't make it personal, Don't take it personally.
KennyR, Bobson
A number of your posts have been moderated and you've been told to knock it off. Next infraction and you'll only be reading AO til after American Thanksgiving (Nov 25th).
Iamaboringperson
There is no need to butt in and keep things stirred up. Same goes for you.
Now back to your regularly scheduled topic.
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This topic is being locked. As I feared, some of you are simply far too sensitive to handle realistic conversation and our moderators are on overload trying to keep you kittens apart.
Wayne