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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: HotRod on November 16, 2004, 09:09:11 PM
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Hi!
I'm wondering a few things about the users of this site.
The users here seems to be using Amiga classics only
(A1000-A4000). That's all ok and cool but I wonder why you
don't buy a new A1?
I can understand that it's expensive and that some people
can't afford it but except for that?
It's like a new Amiga bought from Commodore. I got the same
feeling that I got when I bought my A4000D. If that tells
you people something.
No, I'm not hired to sell computer, nor am I against MOS if
someone thinks that. I'm just wondering why you don't take
the step.....???
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I'd love an A1 with OS4 or even Linux, but I really can't afford it :-(
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Its not just expensive, but right now its almost useless compared to similarly priced alternatives.
The operating system is a beta product, and until very recently, didnt even ship with the hardware.
The A1 isnt as complete as the classic amigas. I remember my A500+ boxed - it was a complete box; the software worked out of the box.
As much as I would love to support the community, I don't want to pay £800 to use IBrowse on PPC, with little support for games. One of my original reasons for getting my old amiga was its support for games, and this simply isnt present in the new Amiga1.
Not that any of the above matters, I simply dont have the money anyway.
Samuar
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"...It's like a new Amiga bought from Commodore. I got the same feeling that I got when I bought my A4000D. If that tells you people something..."
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Not for me. I would rather spend more than the price of an A1 or Pegasos on my A4000T. That's because I have a decent PC, and the classic Amiga has sentimental value for me. The spirit of it does not transpose onto the A1 or Pegasos (for me at least).
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I am considering getting an A1, however I am sort of unsure if I really should. I mean, my other Amigas serve me well, however they are only hobby systems. If I purchase an A1, it would be yet another hobby system. I know that it would be faster than my PPC A4000 system by far, but....do I REALLY need it? Probably not. Would it be cool to own it? Sure. :-)
I guess when I think of purchasing an A1 system, I can also hear the voice of my girlfriend, in my head, asking: "Why do you need so many computers?".
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@ Toecutter
"...I can also hear the voice of my girlfriend, in my head, asking: "Why do you need so many computers?..."
Just tell her you're entitled to have as many computers as she has shades of nail polish :-P
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Just tell her you're entitled to have as many computers as she has shades of nail polish
or shoes...
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I'm following that path, my desk is now occupied with A500Tower, A4000Tower and 3.4 GHz laptop as I got a digital camera and broadband requiring some punch. But A1 is still a possibility (crazy me).
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A1 is not an Amiga in my mind. I think the last Amiga computers were sold about 10 years ago.
It's not a bad idea to use the Amiga OS and name, but it's slightly confusing to ask "why don't you buy a new Amiga?"
I seem to remember on another thread, any true "new Amigas" would have to come from Gateway as they own the technology. Is that still ture?
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@x-ray and argo:
Hehe, true.
But seriously though, I shouldn't buy more Amiga hardware as free space in my apartment is becoming very tight. I've got so much hardware sitting around that if I were to list it all for sale, you'd think that a dealer is going out of business. :-)
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I can afford to buy either, but I dont want to invest in something that has little software.
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Because it isn´t a real Amiga to me.
I rather spend my money on more classic hardware.
If I want a amigalike OS on generic hardware there is always AROS and you can´t beat the price of that. :-D
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@X-Ray
X-ray wrote:
"...It's like a new Amiga bought from Commodore. I got the same feeling that I got when I bought my A4000D. If that tells you people something..."
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Not for me. I would rather spend more than the price of an A1 or Pegasos on my A4000T. That's because I have a decent PC, and the classic Amiga has sentimental value for me. The spirit of it does not transpose onto the A1 or Pegasos (for me at least).
You took the words right out of my mouth. My classic Amiga 4000D just feels, looks, smells like the real thing and that takes me back to the "good old days" :-D
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The users here seems to be using Amiga classics only
(A1000-A4000). That's all ok and cool but I wonder why you
don't buy a new A1?
I won't because it is not a classic amiga. My PC is suitable for all modern computing requirements I have and I see no need for an alternative cluttering up my desk.
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Same goes for me...its a price vs. usefulness issue. "Do I really need this and what will I use it for if I get it?" Is what I always try to ask myself before a major purchase. I would love to support an Amiga company, but really can we trust any of them right now? Or even in the past couple of years? (I know there are a few that are honest and try hard, but the main players in control of the "Amiga" don't seem to me to be worthy) I have donated to AROS as I think it is the only real direction for the Amiga to go in. No one person at the helm, and no one target platform to buy for with all of the different ports. I would like to donate more, but I just got laid off unfortunately... (but with a little luck I will be going on to a slick new job soon!) I still have many classic Amigas for firing up old games with my brother and Dad sometimes. They are good for that and I don't need to spend the money on an A1 and then emulate a system that I already have in the garage. (Or in my brothers case, his A600 is on his desk next to his iBook and his PC)
Ultimately, I wish that AROS could draw in a larger audience and thus bring in more devs, get more of a word out about it, and with some solid community backing buy the rights to the Amiga name and any other IP they need / want and not have any of these shady characters involved with the Amiga anymore...ahhh keep dreaming Josh. Oh well. Time to play some Dead Or Alive Ultimate...
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HotRod wrote:
The users here seems to be using Amiga classics only
(A1000-A4000). That's all ok and cool but I wonder why you
don't buy a new A1?
No, I'm not hired to sell computer, nor am I against MOS if
someone thinks that. I'm just wondering why you don't take
the step.....???
Guilty of having and using an A1200, A1 and Pegasos.
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@X-Ray:
The spirit of it does not transpose onto the A1 or Pegasos (for me at least).
I was worried about that but as soon as you use either system a little, that 'amiga' feel shines through.
I admit owning and maintaining any type on Amiga these days is expensive, compared to other options.
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Wilse, how could you!? ;-)
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Pure cost issue for me. I'd really like one, but I can't even afford to update my antiquated PC... Folks, I'm STILL at 400MHz! Max Payne is Paynefully slow.
I'd still like to see someone come up with a 100% 68k compatable CPU running at modern speeds... And still rooting for the Amiga ColdFusion accellerator board.
Either one of these on an ATX style board would win my vote for sure!
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x56h34 wrote:
I guess when I think of purchasing an A1 system, I can also hear the voice of my girlfriend, in my head, asking: "Why do you need so many computers?".
I'm thinking of sampling my girlfriend saying that very phrase, then presenting it to her as a cheezy-rave 'choon', made by utilising all four active computers. :lol:
But, like most things, I probably won't get round to it.
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x56h34 wrote:
Wilse, how could you!? ;-)
Good question! :lol:
Actually, I've had my A1200 for eleven years. I'm worryingly attached to it. :-D
My main use of it was and still is for writing and recording music.
When the A1 earlybird offer was announced, I had some spare cash and thought I'd pitch in.
Then when I heard that Pro Station Audio was being bundled with the Pegasos, I wanted one of them too. The peg was much cheaper and I was able to start using it much more quickly. It's only in the last couple of weeks that I've started using the A1 but have a feeling it will end up being my main machine. I've yet to record a note on it though. :-P
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I put my money where my mouth is.
I have four M$ Pc's in my house.. but MY machine is an A1 XE G4.
The philosphy being ... If No-one bothers to buy it... then No-one will bother to code for it !!
( The same applies to Pegasos)
And Os4 Flies. It just needs more apps. But they ARE coming.
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I'd like to buy an Amiga one, for me its not about the cost but the actual availability of OS4. It's fine waiting and waiting for an actual official release but the longer it takes, the longer it will take the community and new interest in the Amiga to buy it and then it may be too late.
If Eyetech had any sense why isn't the board being cloned by other manufacturers so that we can have a choice.
The problem i have now is i want a PPC operating system that is stable and easy to install, if i wanted linux i'd download it.
The question i think you should be asking is when is OS4 going to be released and packaged with a hardware machine that isn't outdated. If the Amiga is to survive then it will need a new operating system sooner rather than later.
I'm waiting but i wont wait for ever!
:-(
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uA1 (http://revanchellc.com/cgi-bin/mivavm?Merchant2/merchant.mvc+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=REV&Category_Code=NG) in a new "open" case. very small footprint. :-P
OS4 is coming along just fine - getting better everyday! try to find someone with a system (especially a betatester) and you'll see for yourself!
I still have my original Amiga2000, use WinUAE, plus I have a pre-April peg and as soon as I can save up for it, I'll be getting the micro.
WOOT!
you can't be too rich, too slim or have enough Amigas!!
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I'd sure like to get an A1 - for now I can't afford one. I still intend to get one though :-)
In the meantime, OS4beta runs nicely on my ageing BPPC :-)
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I already have an AmigaOne. :) My A4000T is still my email machine though.
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> I'm following that path, my desk is now occupied with
>A500Tower, A4000Tower and 3.4 GHz laptop as I got a digital
>camera and broadband requiring some punch. But A1 is still a
>possibility (crazy me).
Pfff.... I have 4 computers operational in my bedroom alone. And two next to my TV. And those are just the ones hooked up and running. I wish I had a girlfriend to ask me about why I have so many of them. ;)
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I cannot see myself buying an Amiga One system, for a number of reasons.
One of the reasons is the cost...getting a MicroA1 would cost me £520, add on a 17" TFT monitor for another £300, a mini-itx case (with a PSU that works reliably with the motherboard...) would cost another £50, DVD -/+RW drive for another £50, and a cordless keyboard and mouse combo...another £50.
So that's £970 exc. delivery etc...call it a round £1000.
Now that on it's own isn't the biggest stumbling block...it is the lack of software that puts the biggest nail in the coffin.
I really cannot justify the spending of that much money on, essentially, for me, a hobby computer.
For that amount of cash, I want to be able to run a decent Office suite, use a modern standards-compliant web browser, edit video from my firewire digital camcorder, edit my photos etc. etc.
At the moment, I cannot see an A1 system providing me with the ability to do that as I would want to. Maybe that situation will change over time, but if I wanted to invest £1000 in a system - I would get a iMac G5 (to replace the iMac G4 I have at the moment...).
I've still got a couple of A1200s (Blizzard 1230 and 1260 equipped) which will more than do what I do on my Amiga nowadays...
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Rob72 wrote:
So that's £970 exc. delivery etc...call it a round £1000.
I really cannot justify the spending of that much money on, essentially, for me, a hobby computer.
Yup, my sentiments exactly.
I was thinking about a Peg2 or a Mac laptop, but since Genesi have confirmed a nagging doubt I had about the future of MorphOS (Plus a beta version of PureBasic for OSX has just been released :-) ), I think I know what I`m buying myself for Xmas.
I`m not junking my Amigas though.. I love hacking about with them (both hardware and coding). Dunno why, but I get more enjoyment out of it compared to coding for Windows