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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: CatHerder on November 12, 2004, 02:15:52 AM
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Get an XBox.
I'm not kidding - networked to a real computer (yes a PC) you can have video streaming, video on demand, etc., along with MAME and it's 7500 (only counting the good ones) games, and then the XBox Amiga emulator simply rocks (it's very stable).
Even the CD32 titles not only work, they load off original CD32 CDs.
The graphics are astounding on the XBox actually - and the reason is simple. Amiga games were designed to be played on "fuzzy" screens. 1084 monitors were basically little TV screens, and not the tiny dotpitch found on current monitors. It's incredible how much better all Amiga games in UAE look on a TV compared to on a 19" monitor.
If you are planning on building the "ultimate gaming machine" just go drop $190 on an XBox, grab MAME and it's ROMS, grab the XBox Amiga emulator and a pile of ADFs, plug it in to your TV and you have around 65,000 games at your fingertips and it didn't cost you anything more than the original XBox purchase. (You can't build a PC that's as fast as the XBox for the price either.)
A very enjoyable discovery in my neck of the woods.
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Posted by Bill Gates? ;-)
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Say whatever you want about Microsoft...
I'm telling you the XBox rocks for emulating just about anything. The key is to install the alternate Dashboard (once you do you can't connect to the XBox Live network or your machine gets banned for life), BUT... once you do the software "patch" and have your new dashboard you all of a sudden have a game machine that does everything -- especially when you replace the hard drive with a larger Maxtor 120 or 160. MAME, Amiga, ATARI, NES, SNES, Intellivion, NeoGeo, Jaguar, etc etc all on one little box. :)
I will put together a couple comrehensive FAQ's for Amiga emulation gamers to edcate them about the beauty of the XBox sometime in the future (our months of trial and error and experimentation results in a 2 hour setup time for everyone else). I'm sure some people will really appreciate it -- and the XBox controllers almost seem like they were MADE to play Amiga games! :)
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Greeting,
'Amiga in an XBox'. Sounds nice :-) but I prefer a MicroA1 using MAME for OS4 and play almost all Xboxes title. I just don't sound so realistic though. :-(
As Luke Skywalker would say, "I'll never join the DARK side" :lol:
Nice Idea. :-)
Regards,
Gizz
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The legality of such an "ultimate" Amiga is questionable, not to mention the 7500 MAME roms. I'd suggest people still buy an Amiga rather than pirating what's left. (Legaly released stuff aside). :ranting:
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adolescent wrote:
The legality of such an "ultimate" Amiga is questionable,
Yeah right... how it it illegal to run PD software on any compuer, including an XBox? It's 100% legal.
not to mention the 7500 MAME roms. I'd suggest people still buy an Amiga rather than pirating what's left. (Legaly released stuff aside). :ranting:
Where did you see any reference to pirating Amiga stuff? There's over 2500 commercial software titles freely available out there (legally). As for the MAME stuff, about 35% of it is also legally released (so that is about 7500 ROMS out of 25,000+).
I really dont know where you've pulled your numbers out of, but they certainly smell stinky to me. I recommend some research!
There are over 40,000 legally available game titles out there in the emulation scene. I am not going to spend $400 putting together a "good" Amiga to play a few games on another computer when I can spend $190 on a GREAT game unit and shove it uner my TV where it belongs. So will millions of other people.
Just because a cheap game console is 20x as powerful as an A4000 is no reason to knock it.
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Doesn't this require you to mod your XBox?
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@Catherder
I was responding to your numbers (so if they smell fishy, it's quoted from you). MAME doesn't emulate 7500 games, nor are there 7500 legally released romsets for it. Just because you can find them on the net doesn't make them legal. As for the Amiga and other emulators, to use them legally you'd need to own the original computer/console/game anyway. So the advantage shrinks tremendously.
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One thing missing in this thread is the fact that most emulators for the x-box are not legally available for people to download, including WinUAEx, DosBox, MameX etc etc, as these are compiled with microsofts XDK so it is therefore illegal to distribute any binary of the said emulators, and i doubt most people have a legal XDK to compile them, having said that i agree that the x-box is a great machine if modded to use as a multi purpose emulator.
Edit: and before anyone says, yes i know you can download the said emulators from xbins, but xbins is there to help the authors of the said emulators distribute them without reprocustions (?spelling?)
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adolescent wrote:
@Catherder
I was responding to your numbers (so if they smell fishy, it's quoted from you). MAME doesn't emulate 7500 games, nor are there 7500 legally released romsets for it.
Keep telling yourself that...
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thats a pretty good idea (XBox thing). As for using a emulator on a Xbox.. if you really (and i mean really) cared about being legal..you dont have to own a Amiga to emulate it.. just spend $5-$10 on a 1.3 ROM that way you can officially own a 1.3 rom image. I played around with the Dreamcast version of UAE..pretty cool stuff. When it comes to old software, I'm probably almost non-caring about piracy. (just dont post a link here! LOL) I downloaded I think almost every game from back2roots.. yep. @ work, btw. LOL. Then after buying a few used Amiga's they come with non-original software on top of that. oh well.
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Ok, so it might be cool, fast, etc etc, but it's not the real thing...
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CatHerder wrote:
Keep telling yourself that...
From the official MAME website:
The current version supports 5248 ROM sets, 2946 unique games.
From the MAMEoX 0.84.b3 readme:
Current Ver supports 5061 ROM sets, 2851 unique games.
Here, I've shown you the facts. Now show me where to download 7500 free games.
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TheMagicM wrote:
When it comes to old software, I'm probably almost non-caring about piracy.
I wouldn't expect this from a moderator. You should be ashamed. Piracy is piracy no matter how much you think it doesn't hurt.
BTW, BTTR gets permission to release the games that they have. Just like ALE, etc.
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Well, I'm not the piracy patrol. What you do on your time is your business, what I do on mine, is my business. I'll police AO for pirate links etc but I'm not one to tell someone not to do something if its not on AO. We're all adults here, or so I seem to think, and you should know whats right and whats wrong.
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TheMagicM wrote: Well, I'm not the piracy patrol.....
Agreed!
These "that's illegal!" retorts are becoming irritating. I didn't see any links or references to illegal images or cursing, trolling, etc. going on in this thread, nor did I see an offer by the original poster to sell media with copyrighted material on it. The guy was simply pointing out what YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR XBOX in regards to Amiga emulation if you so chose to.
Why all the negativity? We need moderators to police the forums of inappropriate content, not morality. THAT is someone else's job.
Thx
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I wouldn't expect this from a moderator. You should be ashamed. Piracy is piracy no matter how much you think it doesn't hurt.
Who exactly is hurt by me downloading a game that was discontinued 10-20 ago by a company that no longer exists?? The only way to preserve this games then, is by actually pirating as you call it, since there is no new copies being made, no one has them left in stocks and so on...
I think there is a huge difference between pirating new software and old abandonware.
Making money on selling piracy on the other hand, that is wrong no matter how old the software is.
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Tomas wrote:
Making money on selling piracy on the other hand, that is wrong no matter how old the software is.
Exactly. If any money is made, that should go to the developers of the software. The whole idea that someone can make money selling someone else's work, when they aren't getting a penny is what bother's me.
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It really irritates me when people still harp about piracy on the Amiga. Who freakin cares! Commodore went bust in 1994, and the classic Amiga is dead from a commercial standpoint. It is a decade later and people still throwing fits. Unless a game was released recently, don't worry about someone downloading a 15-20 year old program from a company who doesn't care anyway or is not even around! I don't get it. Thank goodness to sites like BTTR, otherwise any games downloaded would be considered "pirating" to some people. Back to the Roots rocks and I hope they keep getting authors approvals to release more games.
I recently got into it with some ahole on usenet because I was requesting a copy of a game that I own, but the disk was bad. I wanted to recopy the game to my original disk. He called me a pirate. If that is pirating then so be it. Get over it.
Sorry for venting! Woot!
:banana:
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I like my XBox, Miday Treasures is great! Also Halo (2 when I get it), Project Gotham 2, and a couple of others. But I just have no impetus to bother with getting it to emulate something else ... dunno why.
As for piracy, very old games might not be a big deal, but most places outside of BTTR also hock much more recent stuff that people are trying to sell commercially.
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@Holly
Get Halo 2. I just got it yesterday and it's great. I might have to sign up for Xbox Live now to try the multiplayer. (There are games on XBLink, etc. but I've heard the Live scene is better).
@All
I wasn't commenting on just Amiga piracy, but the piracy of arcade game roms, ie. MAME roms. There are few good games worth playing that aren't under copyright (ie. anything Capcom, Sega, Midway, Nintendo, etc.).
This isn't a question of morality, it's a question of legality. And, while I do agree that a moderator should not be busy "policing" this stuff. I feel they shouldn't openly support it.
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it's on my christmas list :D
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You're putting words in my mouth. I said "what you do on your time is your business", "just dont post the URL on AO". I can quote my actual post if it will help. MAME, I could care less about it, Nintendo, Sega etc.
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@everyone
I dont care if Microsoft makes and X-Box that travels through Time!
I still wont give in to the Dark Side
Why? because if Amiga does ever return.I want to invest my money in what I know to be right! and thats the Amiga concept..............and the Amiga Operating system.
I simply do not believe that a company like Microsoft should be dominating the PC world or the Game console world for that Matter...........at least not when something like AmigaOS exists.
Amiga does it better!
I do examine X-Boxes and keep my eyes on what the world is doing...........doesnt mean I desire it or have to dove into it.
The X-Box is awesome indeed...better gfx than the PS2.................its the first thing Microsoft has done right.............but my Money will not go to them any time soon as I want a Micro A1. If you want a game consle.get the PS2 as it oustells the XBox with 70 Million PS2 units to only 10 Million X-Boxes.plus PS2 can run PSONE games...........and the New PS3 will run all 3!!
Hopefully some day there will be an Amiga Super Console that will crush all others for the next 10 years!
For now.as far as games are concerned......I am having serious fun with My hooked up CD32/SX32 pro with 40 gig HD with about 200 games or more on the HD......and more coming!
Not t mention running Audio CD's, Karaoke CD's, CD32 CD games.and CDTV games.
Will be burning DVD's and CD-Rs soon, if I find a good laptop DVD drive.
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You can get Linux kits for PS2s also, those are legal, and I imagine any Linux port of said emulators is quite legal, but yeah, Xbox has somewhat better gfx, mind you if you're playing a game from '89 does that really even matter?
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Linux kits for the PS2 are NLA. Emulators exist, but are not as advanced as the ones for Xbox. (largely due to the fact that the Xbox is PC based.)
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TheMagicM wrote:
thats a pretty good idea (XBox thing). As for using a emulator on a Xbox.. if you really (and i mean really) cared about being legal..you dont have to own a Amiga to emulate it.. just spend $5-$10 on a 1.3 ROM that way you can officially own a 1.3 rom image. I played around with the Dreamcast version of UAE..pretty cool stuff. When it comes to old software, I'm probably almost non-caring about piracy. (just dont post a link here! LOL) I downloaded I think almost every game from back2roots.. yep. @ work, btw. LOL. Then after buying a few used Amiga's they come with non-original software on top of that. oh well.
Yeah I sure thought so too. I will still put together my comprehensive emulating an Amiga (and CD32) on the XBox faq because I'm sure there are plenty of people here and in the Amiga community who would be happy to have it.
And if you want legal, I mean "Amiga legal", check out this amiga swag. Now I ask ya, can I emulate an Amiga now, or do I need to buy some more ROMS? (This doesn't include the 14 sets of 3.0, eleven 2.04, four 2.05, twenty 1.3, six 1.2 ROMS in my workbench drawer either) and it doesn't show the A1000 or the 9 A4000's clearly in the background. (note: the 4000's are all gone, except for 4 that are green screen and have yet to be shipped off to get repaired either by Amiga.fr or somebody in North America if anyone knows of anyone that still does this). I also have 7 Amiga 1200 motherboards that I have to get around to testing, and I have 5 Amiga 1200's with various issues that I need to one day fix or sell as-is...
(http://www.amigadeals.com/ebay/amiga/store-room/1.jpg) (http://www.amigadeals.com/ebay/amiga/store-room/2.jpg)
(http://www.amigadeals.com/ebay/amiga/store-room/3.jpg)
I think there's 14 Amigas in these photos, and there's another 20+ in the boxes. I wont even attempt to list the 2,000+ boxed/unopened Amiga retail game packages I have. Hell, when I owned Amigas as my main computers (yes, I owned 11 different Amigas between 85 and 94, I've personally owned every single Amiga model except for the A1500 and A4000T -- and I currently own the only A2200 in existence) I also purchased over 4,000 peices of software -- I guarantee NOBODY in this forum can say the same.
Can I emulate the Amiga now sir? Can I? Pretty please?
I'm not even going to get into discussing the MAME sets that are available (8 full DVD-R zips currently). I'm more than happy to say "yes, it's under 5000 roms - I don't know what I'm talking about" and be done with it. I also won't worry about the 37,000+ Amiga files out there (because yes, some of them are not freely available - but piles and piles certainly are).
In anycase, back to my original post... (sorry for going off on a rant tangent there)
The XBox rocks for emulating game machines and Amigas (and CD32s too!), and if anyone thinks they're hurting Microsoft in any way shape or form by not owning one and using it to emulate 10 different game machines (plus play XBox games) they're delusional. MS sells them for under $200 and has a COST OF PRODUCTION of over $400 per unit. It's a lost litre - they are taking market share from Sony. Look how poorly they did against Netscape using the same strategy.
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CatHerder wrote:
Can I emulate the Amiga now sir? Can I? Pretty please?
I never said you couldn't. I simply commented on the legality of what you were suggesting. I'd still recommend a real Amiga over an emulator.
Nice pics of your stockpile.
And thanks for admitting you were wrong about the MAME roms.
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@CatHerder
Damn I must say you have me beat! ;) I own all Amiga models except for CDTV, and the A4000T. I have four A4000 also and sent one off the amiga.fr for repairs. But it seems their site is down?
Anyway do you have a A3000T manual for sale? I am after one.
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TjLaZer wrote:
@CatHerder
Damn I must say you have me beat! ;) I own all Amiga models except for CDTV, and the A4000T. I have four A4000 also and sent one off the amiga.fr for repairs. But it seems their site is down?
Anyway do you have a A3000T manual for sale? I am after one.
Hey I might be able to fix your CDTV issue. Let me check... ;)
And yes, I do have an A3000T manual - they're in pretty good shape.
(http://www.amigadeals.com/ebay/amiga/manuals/3000t.jpg)
I was going to list it on eBay tomorrow, but what you think it's worth? I have no clue. If you give me your state and zip I can tell you what it would cost to ship the above (or just the first 2 manuals if you prefer) to you.
I also have a working A3000T-040 here, but it has no powersupply - I tested it with the other 3000T-040 I sold on eBay, then bought a 3000T power supply from Centsible which arrived dead - returned it and they never would answer my emails, send me a new PS, give me a store credit, tell me to bugger off, or anything... I ended up being out $80 for the PS, and $25 * 2 for the shipping both ways.
To add insult to injury, 2 months later they listed another 3000T PS on their site and sold it! Grr...
Centsible has lost out on about $2000 worth of purchases from me in the past year and a half because of that - and I tell everyone who asks me that they should buy from anywhere besides them.
Whoops there I go off on a rant again. :)
Lemme know if the above manuals are of interest to you. I also have the WB2.1 manuals that come with it, but I think it would just be a waste of money to ship them as well.
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It would seem that Amigas are worse than Pokemon - you gotta get 'em all! (and I thought having 5 was bad!).
Anyway, is there a mouse & keyboard for XBox yet? (I don't bother to keep up with that stuff these days). My UAE setup is more of an emulated full amiga, rather than just running an Amiga emulator ;-)
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Yeah, an XBox is just a pc with a custom video chipset inside a nifty case. There's everything you can imagine for it. :-)
And I don't collect Amigas - I just happened to clean out the back stock room from a former retailer in Canada. When I actually owned and used Amigas, I used to have 2 or 3 and always got the newest models soon as they came out (had the 3rd A3000 in Canada according to Duncan Fraiser, VP of Commodore Canada at that time. My buddy had the very first 4000/040 that {bleep}... :-D
Of course, that meant I had a flakey 3000 that got replaced two times... but it was nifty at the time! lol
I can't use Amigas now because they just don't do what I need them to do (Photoshop, Flash, mySQL, etc). But my heart is still in it.
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Catherder: LOL!!!! That is a awesome collection!!! I love the 3000T.
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@CatHerder
PM sent!
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It would seem that Amigas are worse than Pokemon - you gotta get 'em all! (and I thought having 5 was bad!).
Yes tell me about it! I have been into Amiga since 1987. I could never afford anything but the lowly Amigas like the A1000 and A500. I actually sold my A1000 to buy a A500 because I could not afford to get Fast Ram for my A1000! The A500 had the cheaper A501 type ram but for the A1000 you had to buy the zorro side car RAM which was a arm and a leg. Anyway I recently decided it would be cool to start collecting all the Amiga models since I had a few anyhow! :) For me the ultimate would be to get a hold of the original Commodore A4000T!! Not the AT one.
I also collect Atari computers too. (8-bit to ST)
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Just thought I'd post an update.
Work is progressing on the emulating the Amiga and AmigaCD32 on your XBox FAQ. It should be available sometime soon(ish). (Perfect solution for rev 1.1 to rev 1.5 XBox owners)
We don't know enough about the rev 1.6 XBox units to safely state if this works 100% with them as well or not -- but we'll know in a week as we're in the middle of working with one right now.