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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: Cyberus on November 10, 2004, 03:36:50 PM
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So why all the Anti-American and Anti-Religion rubbish?
It makes me feel quite ashamed to think that some users will come to this site, and then be put off by all the hateful rhetoric flying around in the CH, and then not return.
Am I being unreasonable in thinking this?
Or are the people who post this just trolling and TRYING to upset people and offend people. Whatever happened to respect the views, lifestyles etc of others?
I'm sure if people started throwing homophobic comments around it (quite rightly) wouldn't be tolerated. But people can direct as much hate towards Christians and Americans as they like....Do you people have any love and respect for your fellow humans?
[Disclaimer : I know, criticising US foreign policy is not Anti-American per se, but saying 'All Americans are dumb' etc IS]
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Cyberus wrote:
So why all the Anti-American and Anti-Religion rubbish?
There's a Dutch saying: "hoge bomen vangen veel wind", approximately translated: "big trees catch much wind".
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Cyberus wrote:
[Disclaimer : I know, criticising US foreign policy is not Anti-American per se, but saying 'All Americans are dumb' etc IS]
ah, exactly, but these two (or alike) are joyfully put together...
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@ Eyso
I understand your point.
But do we need to keep saying all these things again and again? When I came back here last week after a few days away, the whole of the CH latest posts section was CH/Politics.
I didn't read these threads because they didn't interest me.
Why didn't they interest me? Not because I have no interest in foreign affairs and so on, but because I knew roughly what people were going to be saying.
I still maintain that all this 'anti' stuff is unnecessary. People could say the same things in much more constructive ways, without so being so inciteful about it.
Please, people, if I'm being unreasonable or deluded, explain to me how. I really am wondering if its just me here thinking these things....
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I understand you, Cyberus,
It continuously happens when there's ONE interesting thread, the thread is being majorily ignored because it's being bombed away with America this and America that threads.
BUT, one should not be affraid of vicious debate.
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maybe, and I'm mostly saying this to Fluffy, Glaucus and Wilse, with all respect, but maybe we should ignore US topics for a (long) while.
For me, I know enough and I see the hostility.
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I agree! No more Religion or Politics in on A.org!!
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Hi,
@Cyberus,
They are all just jealous because a bunch of American's engineered and built the Amiga then just let it go to waste after a couple years. Come to think of it, maybe American's are really dumb, they had the PC, the Apple, and the Amiga to choose as computers, and look at the one they picked.
Oh well,
the smerf
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@ Cyberus
I understand exactly what you mean, old bean. But don't expect any change. The sentiments you speak of are quite popular on this site and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. That is the balance (or imbalance) of points-of-view here.
It may be that some users stop coming to the CH (I am considering it) and just drop by for the occasional technical question.
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@Cyberus
To be honest, I can't remember the last time I posted in CH/Politics or CH/Philosophy and Religion, let alone read anything in there, its all the same. Its either "I hate America/Bush because " or "I wish all religions would disapear because ", well thats what it looked like the last time I visited there, I didn't even dare looking in CH/Politics during the US elections, I shudder to think what that was like. I know I've slung a bit of mud during my rather short time here, but now it just bores me, "live and let live" is the key phrase here.
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@Cyberus
Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American, I have to say I do not mind to terribly much. Yeah it does get a bit thick sometimes, and I could do without the profanity (even implied) which is not supposed to be there anyway. Of course that seems to be coming from both sides. Most of the members on this forum, when I engage them directly, are civil enough no matter which side of the issue they are on. Name calling is as much an American tradition as anywhere else. Much of it is just a defensive reaction that just sort of keeps bouncing back and forth like a pingpong ball. I must confess I have to bite my tongue sometimes but once I get my tongue sewn back together I'll be fine. :-D Seriously though, between fur flying, I find some very well reasoned arguments and interesting perspectives. I am learning to respect many of the members of this forum, no matter where they are from. It is a very educational experience for me and I place a high premium on education. It is also a very unique opportunity as I simply cannot afford to cross the ocean and meet people of other nations, even if they did deign to give me, a total stranger, the time of day. Here I am accepted simply because I have an Amiga and wish to learn. Do not get me wrong, I greatly appreciate your sentiments and admire you for them. But I have heard all my life that American travellers do act like jerks in other countries and I would like to do a little bit to dispel the belief that we are all like this.
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bjjones37 wrote:
@Cyberus
Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American
you sure :-?
you do not sound like one:
Any obstacle can be an opportunity, try a different perspective.
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@bjjones
Your posts, at least those I have seen, are considered, well argued, non inflammatory. This alone sets you aside from the "most dispised creature in the universe", whom may share your views on some or all points but are also totally polarised against any view that differs from their single view of the universe, can never challenge them with real argument and swallow everything fox news throws at them as gospel ;-)
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I don't have a problem with Americans
But I do love to argue about religion :-D
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I'm sure if people started throwing homophobic comments around it (quite rightly) wouldn't be tolerated.
Actually, not too long ago, this was a regular feature of a couple of specific posters(and probably will be again), and AFAIK was completely ignored by the powers that be who reside on here. Certainly the threads were not removed, or locked.
Due to this, the rest of us have done our best to turn anti-gay rhetoric into vaguely meaningful conversation to some degree or another.
It's got to be tough to keep things relatively fair and civil, without hearing people screaming about a moderator censoring them...however, I do feel that homosexual slurs and attacks should be added to the list of things considered inappropriate on the moderation guidelines...currently, it only forbids "Any post or comment advocating anti-semitic or racist views."
Allow me to point you to this lovely thread...
Link (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9863)
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@ Wain
Whilst there are a few ignorant comments made on that thread, the general consensus is anti-homophobic.
That isn't to say that I disagree with your point, of course.
But the original poster is roundly mocked for stating what he does.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bjjones37 wrote:
@Cyberus
Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American
you sure :-?
you do not sound like one:
he was being ironic.
btw, Wain: what with all the emotion around the "election", i never got a chance to point out that you are once again (in my view) the winner of the sexist AV on amiga org!
congratulations! :banana:
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cecilia wrote:
btw, Wain: what with all the emotion around the "election", i never got a chance to point out that you are once again (in my view) the winner of the sexist AV on amiga org!
hehe, sorry dear, but shouldn't that be 'sexiest'
:lol:
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@cecilia
Sexist? How's that :-?
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adz wrote:
/// its all the same. Its either "I hate America/Bush because " or "I wish all religions would disapear because ", well thats what it looked like the last time I visited there, I didn't even dare looking in CH/Politics during the US elections, I shudder to think what that was like.
Which is what I would like to avoid here. It really is getting boring to see "I hate Americans!! You republicans are too dumb to even graduate from high-school! haha!"
That, and calling people "unintelligent", or giving them other {bleep}ty insults just because you can't come up with a decent (read: intelligent) argument yourself. (Do you know who I think of now?)
But I guess there is a certain group who can't stop attacking the same group of supporters of a particular political party, or putting {bleep} on all religious people. Can you make them stop? You can't.
Sorry, but that seems to be the truth. At least, now it does.
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@iama
That's slightly hypocritical sentiment coming from "Mr I hate Fags!", isn't it?
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iamaboringperson wrote:
But I DO 'hate fags'! I just don't hate most supporters of major political parties, and most religions. And I certainly don't hang {bleep} on them here. I see no need to! Not an inelligent guy like me.
Selective memory, eh? Read Wains' post to see a shining example of youself ranting about how much you hate homosexuals.
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Oh wait, I forgot - you surely can't waste your valuable heterosexual time to read a post made by a "fag"*
Silly me :roll:
*By the way, since when have cigarettes been able to express opinions?
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So, it's OK to rant on about how much you hate "fags" - who have done absolutely sod all to you or anybody else, whereas someone ranting about how much they hate GWB, who has sanctioned the murder of thousands of people is out of order?
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:pissed: This has just about become a flaming contest between you and I. And to be quite frank, Karlos, I don't want that.
All I get from THE SAME FEW (which now includes YOU it seems), is this:
"Oh! Please don't be homophobic, blah blah blah! Don't express your
religious/political views ...blah blah blah! No, leave that up to us -
the experts on politics and religion!"
I'd like to see this a nice friendly place, but unfortunately there is too much damn flaming going on. It all comes from the same ... fewer than 10.
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This has just about become a flaming contest between you and I
Hardly, I have no desire to emulate your behaviour for any longer than was necessary to point it out to yourself.
I was simply exposing the discontinuity in your argument - you were criticizing others for being vocal about their objection to something, when you yourself can be, have been, and often are just as vocal.
If you have an issue with X, there are ways to present your argument without resorting to insults and ranting.
For example, if I express my disgust with the attitude of Bush and his cronies, it is not without explanation.
And to be quite frank, Karlos, I don't want that.
Me neither.
Having established your position, can you reason to us why you hate homosexuals?
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In my opinion, i think that Cyberus has gone the totally wrong way about this. By creating this thread, he is doing what "the rest of us" has done (aka the "hate" threads). I don't see my political threads as being nothing more than debates, i also see nothing wrong with JonoPikes religion threads as being nothing more than debates. They may have been worded a little affensively (i admit) but the guidlines were there for a good debate (as proved by replies). Basically, everyone is entitled to an opinion, if the other person can't take it then don't view it. Don't critise these threads and say it's wrong to have these critism threads, when all what their thread is based on is critising other threads. It is being 2 faced, which, i believe, is what Cyberus is doing in this case.
Regards,
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Yep, that's me, Mr two-faced. I'll be smiling as I knife you in the back...
:roflmao:
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I always knew you held a vendetta against me
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Yep, that's right.
I've got Doomy and his team of l33t h4xx0rs trying to hack your computer as we speak ;-)
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@this thread: :-?
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Sorry, its gone wildly OT hasn't it?
First an exchange between Karlos and iama, and then CU_AMiGA launches a personal attack on me! (that's a joke, CU)
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Bringing it back on topic...
CU_AMiGA wrote:
In my opinion, i think that Cyberus has gone the totally wrong way about this. By creating this thread, he is doing what "the rest of us" has done (aka the "hate" threads). I don't see my political threads as being nothing more than debates, i also see nothing wrong with JonoPikes religion threads as being nothing more than debates. They may have been worded a little affensively (i admit) but the guidlines were there for a good debate (as proved by replies). Basically, everyone is entitled to an opinion, if the other person can't take it then don't view it. Don't critise these threads and say it's wrong to have these critism threads, when all what their thread is based on is critising other threads.
Well, it's one thing to say 'This is why I am not religious...' or 'I don't understand why people are religious'. Or 'I can't believe they've elected Bush again!'
But its another thing to insult other people's politics or beliefs. You youself admit that they are worded offensively. I just think that offending people is not a good way of having a debate.
However, I do believe that some of those threads do become good debates, as you yourself say. In fact, it was more the titles of the threads, that appear in the CH that I was referring to. All I am saying, is that, if for example you visited a forum, and there were loads of threads that said stuff like, 'Brits are the scum of the earth', 'People from Exeter are {bleep}s', 'Amiga users are dumb', etc...
Would you not be a little bit put off visiting there again?
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Cyberus wrote:
Sorry, its gone wildly OT hasn't it?
First an exchange between Karlos and iama, and then CU_AMiGA launches a personal attack on me! (that's a joke, CU)
I'd just like to apologise for the (hopefully) uncharacteristic behaviour there. I'm not normally incensed to get into that kind of personal confrontation with another user.
Bad day at the office ;-)
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Cyberus wrote:
cecilia wrote:
btw, Wain: what with all the emotion around the "election", i never got a chance to point out that you are once again (in my view) the winner of the sexist AV on amiga org!
hehe, sorry dear, but shouldn't that be 'sexiest'
:lol:
true. i win as the 'mostly likely to make typos'
:lol:
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bjjones37 wrote:
@Cyberus
Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American
you sure :-?
you do not sound like one:
Any obstacle can be an opportunity, try a different perspective.
Cecilia was right about me being ironic in calling my self "despised". Members on this forum have been courteous to me personally. It is the issue Cyberus brought up that I chose to address. For I am exactly what I said I am. I do not apologize for that. But I do understand how the sentiments can arise so I choose not to take offense. (Well, mostly :-) ). I am a Christian, not because I am a member of a denomination. In fact I am not, though I do attend a church full of people which I love and respect. I call myself that because I accepted the person of Jesus Christ and I love God. I am a conservative because I believe in paying my own way in life as much as possible. If you knew my family's history, you would understand why. My very ability to have and support a family in spite of my past (and present condition) is proof enough to me that God is taking care of me. I also believe in the sanctity of human life, even those not yet born. At one point we were all not yet born, yet which us us would volunteer to be aborted? Millions yearly are not given that choice in my country. I am a Republican because I have read both the Democratic Party Platform and the Republican Party Platform and found out which one I was. Republicans are less likely to despise me for being a Christian. I am an American by birth and citizenship. This means I partake in races and cultures and governments from all over the world. I try to respect that heritage. Our government originated in Greece. Our language from Italy, Britain, France, and Germany. Our technology largely from Britain and Germany. Our basic religious concept and ethical structure from Israel. Our favorite restaurants from China :-D . Our number system from the Arabs. Much of our music from Africa. So many nations have taken a part in shaping the US into what it is that I could not begin to know them all, but I am grateful to them.
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bjjones37 wrote:
I also believe in the sanctity of human life, even those not yet born. At one point we were all not yet born, yet which us us would volunteer to be aborted?
But kids are not consentual..
..sorry..
evil twist of mind
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@Cyberus & CU_AMiGA:
I love it when a "fight" between you two erupts, which is most entertaining to read. :-)
It seems that Cyberus sort of bullies CU_AMiGA, every once in a while, however for reasons unknown. I kind of remember that something about CU_AMiGA pissed off Cyberus repeatedly, but I can't quite put my finger on what.
And the :flame: goes on... :lol:
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Its just a bit of fun....I hope :roll:
If I do act like a bit of an arse sometimes, just ignore me :-)
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@Cyberus:
This is the first time that CU actually wanted to get you first, e.g.:
In my opinion, i think that Cyberus has gone the totally wrong way about this. By creating this thread, he is doing what "the rest of us" has done (aka the "hate" threads).
:lol: Usually, he would defend from your attacks, however it seems that he decided to attack first, this time. ;-)
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x56h34 wrote:
I kind of remember that something about CU_AMiGA pissed off Cyberus repeatedly, but I can't quite put my finger on what.
And the :flame: goes on... :lol:
Yes. It is because Mr Cyberus is actually JEALOUS of me! He is jealous of me, my Amiga and most shockingly; my postal skills and my popularity on Amiga.org! :-) And i think that Cyberus is nothing but a black eye on the boards. Ha! take that Mr Cyberus!
I think when me and Mr Cyberus argue, we use the best posssible posting techniques to counter arguements and for entertaining others.
Plus i won the last "Great AmiBattle - Part 1" :-)
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Cyberus wrote:
Well, it's one thing to say 'This is why I am not religious...' or 'I don't understand why people are religious'. Or 'I can't believe they've elected Bush again!'
But its another thing to insult other people's politics or beliefs. You youself admit that they are worded offensively. I just think that offending people is not a good way of having a debate.
Yes you have a point there, maybe i should have worded it better but i honestly don't think it was THAT effensive. But remember it is about point of view, and if they can't hack it, then they shouldn't watch.
However, I do believe that some of those threads do become good debates, as you yourself say. In fact, it was more the titles of the threads, that appear in the CH that I was referring to.
Yes maybe a little but, but as i said, i really don't think it was THAT effensive.
All I am saying, is that, if for example you visited a forum, and there were loads of threads that said stuff like, 'Brits are the scum of the earth', 'People from Exeter are {bleep}s', 'Amiga users are dumb', etc...
Actually i wouldn't personally care if that did happen, but i would fight the battle of course.
Would you not be a little bit put off visiting there again?
No, i don't care to be honest.
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
No, i don't care to be honest.
Not sure how to take that. :-D
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@Cyberus
Even Wayne seemed to like the post! He said that the last few threads have been good, infact possibly the best threads.
Take This Cyberus! (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12291)
This, unfortunately means that all posts after the 9th of October have been lost. Better in our opinion than all posts.
So Cyberus, WHAT ARE YA GONNA DO, WHEN CU_AMiGA RUNS WILD ON YOU! :pissed:
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Oh yeah, Cyberus is also JEALOUS of my great avatar.
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And another thing (not directly at Byberus this time), i hate all this "Glod Bless America" {bleep}. I hate all the bloody 50-odd stars and stripes {bleep}, the way most buildings have a stupid stars and stripes flag blowing about, the way they have to bge better than others, they think there so bloody great.
I remember seeing a couple of days ago (in New York Post i think), and it was about invasion in Irag and the headline was: "Smokin' Americ Kicks Butt", what kind of a {bleep}ing headline is that? Thousands of people are being killed and all what these morons care about is being matcho? I think that says it all.
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bjjones37 wrote:
@Cyberus
Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American,
:lol:
Seriously, those are just labels. In and of themselves, they do not make you the person you are.
Seriously though, between fur flying, I find some very well reasoned arguments and interesting perspectives. I am learning to respect many of the members of this forum, no matter where they are from. It is a very educational experience for me and I place a high premium on education. It is also a very unique opportunity as I simply cannot afford to cross the ocean and meet people of other nations, even if they did deign to give me, a total stranger, the time of day. Here I am accepted simply because I have an Amiga and wish to learn. Do not get me wrong, I greatly appreciate your sentiments and admire you for them.
How very well put.
I agree 100%.
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Yep, that's right.
I've got Doomy and his team of l33t h4xx0rs trying to hack your computer as we speak
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
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he was being ironic.
btw, Wain: what with all the emotion around the "election", i never got a chance to point out that you are once again (in my view) the winner of the sexiest AV on amiga org!
congratulations!
Awww, thanks Cecilia!
I got an email from somebody on another site asking me what the photo that my previous "toungue-ring" AV was from so I just figured I'd upload it everywhere I frequent.
I'M SEXY!!!
:banana::banana:
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The CH section is for FLAME BATERS and HATERs of everything that they don't agree with.
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
Yes. It is because Mr Cyberus is actually JEALOUS of me!
That's right.
He's onto me guys, whatever am I going to do?
Ok, I admit it, I'm SO jealous of you, I want to BE you. In fact, I get wet just thinking about you.
He is jealous of me, my Amiga and most shockingly; my postal skills
Yep, I just can't lick a stamp and put it on an envelope as skillfully as you. My mail sorting isn't up to speed either. I can only sort about 1500 letters an hour. I was the laughing stock of the local Royal Mail sorting office :cry:
and my popularity on Amiga.org! :-)
Yep, it must be all thos insightful threads about how all Americans are dumb, except Hulk Hogan, cos he 'rules' and how we should bring back Roy Walker, that has won you so many friends.
And i think that Cyberus is nothing but a black eye on the boards. Ha! take that Mr Cyberus!
:-? Now you have me lost. How can a person be a black eye?
I think when me and Mr Cyberus argue, we use the best posssible posting techniques to counter arguements and for entertaining others.
Or I launch a stinging attack and then feel a little guilty about being a bit nasty and apologise, or reinforce that its all meant to be in good humour, at which point you type a load of crap in response. :-)
Plus i won the last "Great AmiBattle - Part 1" :-)
Oh no, its not JonoPike and those rap threads again is it?
:-(
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Okay Cyberus. I admit, i went a bit nuts yesterday, so i will draw the line and stop this mini flaming. :-)
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
@Cyberus
Even Wayne seemed to like the post! He said that the last few threads have been good, infact possibly the best threads.
Did he now....riiiight.
Take This Cyberus! (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12291)
This, unfortunately means that all posts after the 9th of October have been lost. Better in our opinion than all posts.
Take this, kid! (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6577)
The latest version of this policy can be found in the AO Information link on the left menu. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please PMail either Wayne or another moderator and we will be more than happy to assist you.
So Cyberus, WHAT ARE YA GONNA DO, WHEN CU_AMiGA RUNS WILD ON YOU! :pissed:
I'll set the Hulkster and all his other lame buddies on you.
Oh yeah, Cyberus is also JEALOUS of my great avatar.
I must admit, you've got me there. Lemme guess, you drew that with DPaint II on your A500?
"The Artwork of CU_Amiga. CU_Amiga had no formal art training. He usually works in the Amiga's lowest resolution mode - 320x200, using only 32 colors (or even less if color cycling was used).
Even today, his work speaks for itself, being some of the most incredible ever produced on any platform. Especially considering most of it was done entirely by "hand"."
I'm impressed, I thought it was a ray-trace ;-)
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
Okay Cyberus. I admit, i went a bit nuts yesterday, so i will draw the line and stop this mini flaming. :-)
Well, I tried to draw a line, but you just couldn't resist could you? Now of course you've retaliated, I have to :-D
(We have taken this thread completely off topic now :-()
Perhaps we should start a dedicated thread to have a flaming contest on? :lol:
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Our government originated in Greece. Our language from Italy, Britain, France, and Germany. Our technology largely from Britain and Germany. Our basic religious concept and ethical structure from Israel. Our favorite restaurants from China . Our number system from the Arabs. Much of our music from Africa.
So many nations have taken a part in shaping the US into what it is that I could not begin to know them all, but I am grateful to them.
It's a shame so many of your fellow countrymen do not feel the same. :-(
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Dead-thread-shag-alert! :-P
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odin wrote:
Dead-thread-shag-alert! :-P
You kinky bugger :lol:
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Karlos wrote:
odin wrote:
Dead-thread-shag-alert! :-P
You kinky bugger :lol:
Well, he *is* Dutch! ;-)
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Hey!
I tried to give you guys a better place to discuss all this stuff. I really did, at whyzzat.com, but very few people actually paid attention. :) Locking this thread because it was resurrected from the dead for no apparent reason.
Wayne
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Bear in mind this thread was bumped from 10 months ago