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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Al_B on September 30, 2004, 11:15:50 PM
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KMOS domain expired? ( http://www.kmos.com )
Never a good business practice...
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :insane:
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Uh oh spaghettios!
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0_o
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Looks real professional.. First they didn't make any decent website during half a year and now they let it expire entirely.
Makes me wonder what happened to all those projects Kmos was supposed to have ?
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Its amazingly humilating...
magnetic
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Especially as most domain resellers give you plenty of warning that it's going to expire!
One ISP I get lots of space from (one & one in the UK) assume you're renewing unless you specifically cancel your account.
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:lol: :-) you've gotta laugh
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Did I miss something? I didn't even know they had a web site. :-P
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Yes, but the site had one line of text and an email link.
If I recall the text said something about the website being updated in the near future....
Maybe all that bandwidth usage put them in the red.. :lol:
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magnetic wrote:
Its amazingly humilating...
Yes, and I remember how a certain site moderated your comments stating some reasonable doubt on KMOS. Not so much like FUD and not FACTS now, is it?
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Totally off topic, every time I see the acronym FUD I just can't help flashbacks to early puberty; for some totally random reason, "fud" was slang for a pubic hair (singular) back at my old school...
Alas, "Spreading FUD" conjures all sorts of unsavoury images :lol:
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Thank you Kenny
Isnt it ironic? That certain website is AW.net, and I've PM'd the webmaster about that very issue..
magnetic
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Anyone else noticed the 2nd sponsored link on the page?
For those that can`t be arsed to look, it`s titled "Obsolete semiconductors" :lol:
Maybe KMOS are gonna remake the A600 ?
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Man....why can't the companies doing 'next gen' Amiga stuff just all die with a little bit of dignity and selfrespect and let the platform be what it is today....
I'm amazed by people who think there's actually still money to be made with some silly red/white logo...
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-BobW- wrote:
Did I miss something? I didn't even know they had a web site. :-P
they don't. this has to be someone else.
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They used to have a website, or at least a page that said "This is the future home of KMOS, Inc. Contact us for more information." Its still there, if you search for KMOS on google. If memory serves they also had a logo, but don't quote on me on that. Anecdotal reports said that messages sent to the email address on the site were bounced by the Amiga.com mail server, but that could be hearsay too.
Anyway, here is that cached google page:
"http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:kAVAxYxIoXwJ:www.kmos.com/+kmos&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
And by the way, I don't think anyone from KMOS or Amiga ever expressly stated KMOS.com was their official website. But then, when do they ever state anything at all. Take it with a pinch of salt, anyway.
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What a great start... seems like they follow the same footsteps of every previous Amiga owner.. sigh
I also thought that there was supposed to be an update on amiga.com sometime in september??
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Isn't it about time we found out who now owns the Amiga patents,
copyrights and logo?
I think someone should start selling Amiga goods using all the
brand names to see who pipes up and threatens court action.
:-D
Maybe we need a thread on who exactly owns what now, most people are
confused by who owns the Pegasos/Morphos brand, Amiga brand, Commodore
brand and logo and AmigaOS brands.
Gateway kept some stuff too didn't they!?
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All the patents and trademarks are under the names "Commodore", "Commodore UK" or "Amiga Technologies"
When a company is sold along with its IP, the names on the patents, trademarks etc are rarely changed to reflect the new owner.
So we must assume that all the Amiga IP has been sold to each progressive owner, however individual bits could have been sold off along the way.
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After reading this thread, both here and on other sites, my overwhelming question is.... so flippin what???
Playing devil's advocate, KMOS is a privately held company who isn't trying to sell anything or solicit investors so they don't need a flippin Web site. To be frank, I'm honestly surprised at this point that even Amiga.com is still operational. When OS 4 comes out, that'll be supported by Hyperion on their site (or another domain operated by them) so that leaves KMOS.com no reason whatsoever to exist.... Sounds like a {bleep}ing radio station's URL anyway...
Putting aside my unexplainable irritability as of late (which I am now starting to believe is probably diabetes-related) this is yet another perfect illustration of what's wrong with this community.
Leave it to this community though to blow yet another completely pointless trivial detail to ape {bleep} proportions. What's next? I'll lay odds that before it's over with, someone starts dragging Ray Akey's name through the mud and slandering him (if not here, then ANN) when he has exactly jack {bleep} to do with it.
Say it with me people..... *sigh*
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Nah... Can't be Akey ... At least he can make Websites.. Kmos never had decent site during last 6 motnhs so it's highly unlikely he's been involved.
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Wayne wrote:
KMOS is a privately held company who isn't trying to sell anything or solicit investors so they don't need a flippin Web site...
Right, a company that does... nothing?
Sounds like the perfect people to be keepers of the Holy Grail. Perhaps they should just pass it all to Hyperion.
Least they DO stuff...
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I'm with wayne, here. who really cares about this so-called "web site"?
I prefer silence to lies.
and garry hare said kmos wouldn't have a web site. At least I heard him say so at AmiWest.
I say leave these people alone. they haven't made any promises, and have done nothing wrong. they have the good taste to shut the F up.
unlike some others.
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Garry Hare said they werent planning on developing the website any further in the near future, so it is not so weird that there havent been much of a site there yet..
But i really think it is weird that the let the domain name drop, atleast if they gonna keep the name.
I think some of you people are acting very childish, when you seem to laugh and take pleasure whenever you see some tiny sign that suggest that Amiga inc or kmos being in trouble.
I for one hope that they are not in trouble, and that they get things sorted out soon.
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Al_B wrote:
Right, a company that does... nothing?
Sounds like the perfect people to be keepers of the Holy Grail. Perhaps they should just pass it all to Hyperion.
Least they DO stuff...
I just don't know how to respond to your comments. I really, really don't. Tell you what, why don't you go out tomorrow, buy a VW Beetle Turbo Convertible, then donate it to the National Transportation Safety Board for crash testing? They would have much more use for it, nevermind the fact that you bought and paid for it.
AmigaOS belongs to KMOS. KMOS paid for it, in one way or another (it's none of our damned business how or why, so PLEASE don't start beating that dead horse again). If KMOS never, ever does a single thing with AmigaOS, it won't change a single solitary thing.
We -- the community -- still wouldn't own it, and we would still not have any rights to say what they should and shouldn't do with it(beyond apparently all the neverending opinions of everyone around here anyway).
If you really want to have a say in the future of AmigaOS, pony up 5 mil or so and make them an offer.
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cecilia wrote:
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I say leave these people alone. they haven't made any promises, and have done nothing wrong. they have the good taste to shut the F up.
unlike some others.
well, they kind of implied those pesky t-shirts would be shipped more than a month ago . . .
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People are reacting because when KMOS (in the person of Garry Hare) arrived on the scene we got the impression that the company was at least competent, if not completely clued in to the details. Many people, it seems, are hoping that's true, that this isn't just another outfit that, keeping to Amiga tradition, will do nothing with the Amiga IP except screw up.
I don't know how many other people feel this way, but since KMOS and Garry Hare's arrival, after hearing *his* side of various controversies and *his* explanations of events and his future plans, I've watched to see how close the reality reflects the words. I haven't seen anything yet that doesn't reinforce my initial skepticism.
The fact that the T-shirts still haven't been shipped (true, not a big deal in itself, but a test case for his credibility and his company's competance and intentions), no announcements or Web site updates made (even ones said to be coming, IIRC), and now the expiration of the domain registration seem to paint an increasingly sad picture.
I can't imagine a company intentionally letting its domain name get away. The cost is minimal and paying it keeps the domain out of others' hands even if the company has no immediate use for it. And I assume even without a Web presence, KMOS would be using e-mail and would want the domain name for that. Can a company operate these days, especially in tech-related markets, without e-mail? 'Explanations' by supporters that I've read seem quite naive or desperate. If KMOS intends to be a going concern, is there any good business reason to let the name go?
It's still possible that the registration can be salvaged by the company, depending on the registrar's policy.
-- gary_c
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Y'know, "Return Of The Jedi," at least the Tatooine scenes, were filmed about 20 miles from my house. I was an extra in it, but was always out-of-frame in the finished product (haven't seen the newly re-cut DVD yet.) In order to keep the tourists at bay, it was announced that Richard Marquand was filming a low budget sci-fi knockoff called "Dark Harvest" Everyone on set was wearing "Dark Harvest" tee-shirts, caps, jackets. It was a deliberate deception, maintained to keep people from noticing what was really going on. (Of course, the constand presence of R2-D2 and C3PO gave it away right off.)
Hey, what does KMOS stand for, anyway? And how much do you think they might have to do to "stay under the radar?"
Just a question.
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Where does it say KMOS had kmos.com in the first place? The WhoIs record just says the domain is locked. Besides, why try to get kmos.com when they already control Amiga.com?
I do find it odd that they didn't at least reserve the domain. I mean, it's not like it costs a fortune. I have my own domain and I'm basicly non-profit.
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Wayne: Seriously.. You did belive KMOS/Hare?
I would have thought that you had enough experience to stay away certain kind of companies...
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Where does it say KMOS had kmos.com in the first place?
I wondered about that too, but Google turned up Garry Hare's interview at Amigaworld.net, where he said they were receiving mail at Information@kmos.com. So this either confirms they had/have the domain, or he was, uh, confused in his interview.
-- gary_c
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he was, uh, confused in his interview
:lol:
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and IIRC, "low profile" was the keyword during Garry Hare's interview . . .or not?
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Tomas wrote:
I think some of you people are acting very childish, when you seem to laugh and take pleasure whenever you see some tiny sign that suggest that Amiga inc or kmos being in trouble.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -- George Bernard Shaw
It would have been equally hilarious if it was some other pegasosppc.com or some other big player in the market that lost their domain.
If it was one of the one-man amiga dealers or hardware companies, I´m sure the comments would have been of a different nature.
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@KennyR
Oh! My sides hurt, tell me are you and Realize Available as a double act? You know, I set em up, you knock 'em down?
If so, how would you both like to appear at BB2?
I am sure we could come to some arrangements, we could do with some light entertainment.
Please get back to me
Thanks
Mikey C
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Bring me Laughter, all the while,
In this world where we live, there should be more happiness,
So much joy you can give, to each brand new bright tomorrow,
Make me happy, through the years,
Never bring me, any tears,
Let your arms be as warm as the sun from up above,
Bring me fun, bring me sunshine, bring me love.
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I haven't been here in a while, but I just had to post because this thread is side-splitting!!
Seriously, some of you have gone so far you've become caricature. You should seriously consider taking it on the road, you'd get full houses.
KennyR wrote:
If memory serves they also had a logo, but don't quote on me on that.
Well I will anyway. The logo you mention was in fact an avatar made by me for AW not long after the announcement, which had the sole purpose of annoying those who take things far too seriously and make the Amiga "community" a less enjoyable experience.
This is the same logo that seemingly annoyed you when you posted on AW as the enlightener, calling me a retard, remember? It seems to have worked. :-D
Thread in question (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=4066&forum=14&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
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Framiga wrote:
and IIRC, "low profile" was the keyword during Garry Hare's interview . . .or not?
If they profile gets any lower than this .. people will soon forget them entirely . :idea: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Dan wrote:
Tomas wrote:
I think some of you people are acting very childish, when you seem to laugh and take pleasure whenever you see some tiny sign that suggest that Amiga inc or kmos being in trouble.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -- George Bernard Shaw
i see less cynicism and more emotion here.
It would have been equally hilarious if it was some other pegasosppc.com or some other big player in the market that lost their domain.
since KMOS had no interest in having a web presence, there isn't a big deal. I guess some companies can actually do business without spreading alot of garbage online.
If it was one of the one-man amiga dealers or hardware companies, I´m sure the comments would have been of a different nature.
dealers affect us (amiga users) personally. so, YES, THAT is a big deal. note the news item on the loss of aminet in the US. As far as I'm concerned, what happens to Aminet is a billion times more important to the real world than KMOS not having a dumb web site.
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why even bother whats going on? I just sit back not caring what happens w/Amiga (or any other part of it) or the Pegasos. Just sit back and wait to see who comes up with new hardware/sofware etc. That way if nothing comes out of it you wont be disappointed because you never expected anything anyway. Just the way I see it.. (I'm sticking w/my Amiga classics anyway until someone has actually proven something and has some DECENT, REAL software).
P.S. dont let this thread get out of hand as we all know it'll just turn into a flame fest. Be good.
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uncharted wrote:
Well I will anyway. The logo you mention was in fact an avatar made by me for AW not long after the announcement, which had the sole purpose of annoying those who take things far too seriously and make the Amiga "community" a less enjoyable experience.
This is the same logo that seemingly annoyed you when you posted on AW as the enlightener, calling me a retard, remember? It seems to have worked.
Let's see, you go to the trouble of making a logo of a company you know nothing about, nothing about how it got Amiga, and only found out that Amiga had been sold to them almost a year later over a vague statement. Yet you still idolise them like its next year's lightsabre craze. What do you want, a Nobel Prize? Why don't you go back to censorship world and take Mikey_C with you before he's writing to every moderator here trying to get this thread deleted, seeing how he's such a powerful advocate for free speech, and all.
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LOL!
I wouldn't do that, everyone here knows you are a troll. I am just fed up with your mistaken assumptions that's all.
Please let me know if you are free to do a carbaret at BB2
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Mikey_C wrote:
I wouldn't do that, everyone here knows you are a troll.
Whereas, you are a conscienscous person who has no political agenda and tolerates different views? :) Tell me, Mikey, are you part of one of the few active Amiga usergroups who still actually do something for the community? If you are, feel free to lecture me. If not, go back to censoring.
I could imagine doing cabaret for you Mikey - only to have the microphone switched off and you making frantic hand signals to security if I do something you don't like.
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:lol:
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KennyR wrote:
Let's see, you go to the trouble of making a logo of a company you know nothing about, nothing about how it got Amiga, and only found out that Amiga had been sold to them almost a year later over a vague statement.
It seems you lack the ability to read information passed on to you. No wonder you couldn't get a job.
If you bothered to read the link I gave you you'll see that the avatar took almost no time and was soley made to annoy those with an inability to put things into perspective (like yourself)
In fact it probably took less time than it took you to register twice to troll on AmigaWorld.
Yet you still idolise them like its next year's lightsabre craze.
Idolise? Where was that again? Oh yeah, your reading comprehension problem, forgot about that momentarily.
What do you want, a Nobel Prize?
Nah I'd rather get free money for sitting on my arse, refusing to work because it's too hard.
Why don't you go back to censorship world and take Mikey_C with you before he's writing to every moderator here trying to get this thread deleted, seeing how he's such a powerful advocate for free speech, and all.
Censorship world? Oooh, watch-out, maturity level overloading! You should really get out more and try expanding your vocubulary a little.
Why do you think I have any influence over Mikey_C? I've met the guy once, the same number of times as I've spoken to Bill Buck.
I will go if it really disturbs you so much, I'll just have to dodge the toys flying out of your pram to get to the door....
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@Wayne
I love ya, but I gotta go against you on this one. Please don't take it personally, just IMHO.
(I've kept quiet on personal opinions for ~1 year or so, but with the expiration date on my involvement in this market approaching, I'll slip back into a user's roll;-))
this is yet another perfect illustration of what's wrong with this community.
Why are we all here? Yes there is a degree of morbid fascination, but deep down most are here with a degree of hope for the future of the platform in general. Blind advocacy is wrong, and ignoring mismanagement doesn't help anything. Likewise criticism in and of itself isn't harming anything. As long as it doesn't degrade into personal attacks, I really don't see fault in criticism.
Leave it to this community though to blow yet another completely pointless trivial detail to ape {bleep} proportions.
Trivial? I really have to disagree here. By Garry Hare's own words judge KMOS by their actions. What actions are there to go by? An interview on AW.net and a speech at AmiWest, words not actions. The only actions the public see so far are letting their domain expire. Also AFAIR Mr. Hare also stated at Amiwest in July t-shirts would be shipping and they haven’t. Going by his own request people are judging their actions, which is not very impressive. Would it be better to simply ignore them? Maybe but considering everyone here has the common background as Amiga users, it's hard to ignore the actions of the parent company.
Let me clarify something so it's not misinterpreted. I have nothing against AmigaOS 4 itself, Hyperion is obviously giving a lot of themselves to work on this project. However fish rot from the head down, and this one stinks.
If you ran a company, would you do business with a technology company that has no website, no email address, no phone number and no track record? I certainly won't, thus one of the nails in the coffin of me leaving the market.
BTW Wayne, PLEASE go see a doctor. Undiagnosed diabetes can wreak havoc and permenant damage on your body. :-(
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Just sit back and wait to see who comes up with new hardware/sofware etc. That way if nothing comes out of it you wont be disappointed because you never expected anything anyway.
Good point! (hmmmm relax :-D :-D :-D )
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uncharted wrote:
It seems you lack the ability to read information passed on to you. No wonder you couldn't get a job.
I couldn't get a job because I have an honours degree in a hard science in a country that has very little placements for such a thing. I've been asked for interviews in England and Wales, but I'm unwilling to relocate. And I'm rejected as overqualified for everything else. But of course, you even stating this in a thread where it has actually no relevance to ANY matter Amiga is beyond even your accustomed hypocricy. If you can't actually find an Amiga matter to argue on, I think you should quit before you show everyone that sheen of impartiality you like to rub on yourself has a habit of rubbing off.
Nah I'd rather get free money for sitting on my arse, refusing to work because it's too hard.
Speak to Fleecy.
Censorship world? Oooh, watch-out, maturity level overloading! You should really get out more and try expanding your vocubulary a little.
A spade is a spade. I don't have to write a haiku for you, do I?
Edit: oh, and I should mention that I don't actually get money for sitting around doing nothing, since I don't actually claim benefit. My student loans are still enough. Sorry to disappoint you, uncharted.
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Gary Hare during AmiWest 2004:
"I don't talk about product roadmaps or things that haven't happened yet. I won't violate confidentiality agreements with companies that I talk to and I don't expect the same back.
We don't have a KMOS website because we don't need one and we want to keep a low profile even now as we do deals...."
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KennyR Scribbled...
>Whereas, you are a conscienscous person who has no
>political agenda and tolerates different views? :)
My only "political" bias is towards Eyetech and Hyperion, anything else is just not worth the time of day.
>Tell me, Mikey, are you part of one of the few active Amiga
>usergroups who still actually do something for the
>community? If you are, feel free to lecture me. If not, go
>back to censoring.
Erm Let me see, I am the Chairman of Amiga North Thames (http://www.amiganorththames.co.uk) a usergroup based in North London (UK)
Myself and the group have actively helped put on Amiga shows in the past. for example WOASE (along side SEAL)
I will be at Big Bash 2 (http://www.emag.me.uk/) doing a live webcast from the show.
I help to promote Total Amiga Magazine (http://www.totalamiga.org) and write the odd article there as well.
I also run maconamiga. (http://maconamiga.amigaworld.net) as another service to the Amiga community
And yes I am a moderator on AW also.
Now then, Mr Unemployed person from Dundee, apart from abusing people and trolling everywhere, what positive input do you make?
>I could imagine doing cabaret for you Mikey - only to have
>the microphone switched off and you making frantic hand
>signals to security if I do something you don't like.
Actually you have that wrong, Security would have it's hands full keeping Amiga users from wanting to lynch you in public.
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Oh, behave!
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And so it degrades into personal attacks....
sigh
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I will be at Big Bash 2 (http://www.emag.me.uk/) doing a live webcast from the show.
"Trouser Splitting Fun!"
hmm, do I really want to see a bunch of fat guys in ripped pants???
:lol:
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LOL!
Leave bobson out of this, bless him, he's been on a diet and he's working out.
:-)
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Mikey_C wrote:
My only "political" bias is towards Eyetech and Hyperion, anything else is just not worth the time of day.
But its worth the time trying to defend them by removing opinions that are critical of them, isn't it?
Erm Let me see, I am the Chairman of Amiga North Thames a usergroup based in North London (UK)
Myself and the group have actively helped put on Amiga shows in the past. for example WOASE (along side SEAL)
Yes yes, shows, magazines, events: all have done nothing for the past decade except try to keep people's interest, and failed. And your website contributions have been overshadowed by the fact that your biased moderation has damaged the reputation of a nice community site and given it the personality of goatse.cx.
Now then, Mr Unemployed person from Dundee, apart from abusing people and trolling everywhere, what positive input do you make?
I'm not from Dundee (It seems you lack the ability to read information passed on to you, as uncharted would say), I don't troll everwhere (even with your rather creative definition of the word), and I beta test, write documentation, and help write press releases for AmigaZeux software, including AmiNetRadio.
Actually you have that wrong, Security would have it's hands full keeping Amiga users from wanting to lynch you in public.
Yes, it's unpopular actually writing an opinion in public while having the decency to show it straight unapologetically and not through subterfuge or insidious control of what other people say, isn't it. I'm sick of trying to defend myself against hypocrites like you who are even more biased than I am but would use covert methods to further your agenda rather than just say it out loud.
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cecilia wrote:
I will be at Big Bash 2 (http://www.emag.me.uk/) doing a live webcast from the show.
"Trouser Splitting Fun!"
hmm, do I really want to see a bunch of fat guys in ripped pants???
:lol:
Well....
;-)
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Mikey_C wrote:
Now then, Mr Unemployed person from Dundee, apart from abusing people and trolling everywhere, what positive input do you make?
I thought Kenny was from Glasgow?
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Ssh, don't disturb him, he's busy trying to flame me for having inaccurate information.
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Worst..thread..ever. Why not just put it in PM if you'all want to make personal insults.
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Is this the competition for "posting things that are actually worthy candidates for moderation, as opposed to mere opinions that differ from those of whoever happens to own or license a certain trademark"?
I see a bunch of clear winners, but one of them is a moderator who's always complaining about "trolls". Another just proudly admitted to having made an image for the sole purpose of trolling (by the normal definition of the word), and in the next breath proceeds to complain about "trolls". And so on. My head is spinning.
Now, about the topic, I'll just add a "me too" after redrumloa's and gary_c's posts FWIW. No further comment.