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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Stedy on September 15, 2004, 10:12:47 PM
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The subject says it all, can I use a CD32 Kickstart in an A500 or A600?
There is only 1 off 16 bit ROM and the pinouts appear to be identical.
Anyone tried it?
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I`ve seen it done on an A1200.Not in the flesh, but on a website, they did built a rom switcher for it.
Like the hairy pillock I am, I didn`t bookmark it :pissed:
Then again, you say it`s one 16bit rom ?? Could have sworn CD32s had 2 roms just as the other 32bit miggies did, at least the schematics I got here show it that way.
As for using it on an A500 or 600, If it really is 16 bit rom, maybe..
Dunno whether CBM built that rom on the assumption that it would at least have an 020 to run on.
Maybe the best way is to fire up UAE set to 68000 cpu and 1Mb chip with ECS and test an image of that rom ?
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Doobrey wrote:
Could have sworn CD32s had 2 roms just as the other 32bit miggies did, at least the schematics I got here show it that way.
DOH!
Just looked at a piccy on amiga-hardware.com...
It is a single 1Mb rom image. I take it that was CBM and their famous cost cutting again..
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@Stedy
I have been dying to do the same...or somethng similar, mostly because I want to be able to access the CD32 AudioCD bootup Menu when I play a CD from Workbench and be able to exit at will.maybe someone can create a WHDLoad thingy to install the ROM to be used with a special CD32 audio CDplayer and CD+G player and even VCD if you have the FMV card...............but of course this would have to be usable on any AGA AMiga at least.
There is sometyhing similar that lets you use the CDTV ROM, or at least the software in it...........but the CDPlayer is non functional, but it letss you use the CDTV screen saver and other stuff. I did it on my A600 once........it was neat
Also just imagine having a CD32 ROM in an A4000 or A1200 with a CDROM and being able to autoboot an Audio CD directly, and having it go to the Audio CD menu in the CD32! The software inside the CD32 ROM should have been included in all 3.1 ROMS as standard, so that when you eventually did upgrade to a CDROM drive.it would autoboot CD32 games and audio CD's................if someone ever creates a 3.5 ROM or 3.9 ROM......please take note of this.maybe make it a 5Mb ROM? or at least 2mb to fit the stuff (I hate Kickflash crap!)
This is part of the reason why I consider the CD32 the best Amiga ever made as far as its Amiganess....................trouble free booting of anykind.
ahhhh, I can dream can't I? :-) although there is no need to dream..........someone out there can do it and needs to...and put the software on Aminet! someone please!!!!!
:-)
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leirbag28 wrote:
The software inside the CD32 ROM should have been included in all 3.1 ROMS as standard, so that when you eventually did upgrade to a CDROM drive.it would autoboot CD32 games and audio CD's
Erm.. the CD-ROM driver in the CD32 won`t work for IDE or SCSI drives.
if someone ever creates a 3.5 ROM or 3.9 ROM......please take note of this.maybe make it a 5Mb ROM? or at least 2mb to fit the stuff (I hate Kickflash crap!)
2MB is the limit for a replacement rom (ie. not kicked to memory.
Actually, it`s more like 2.5MB, but it`s in 4 different chunks ,3x512Kb + 1x1024Kb, but some Cyberstorm (maybe Blizzard PPC too??) take over one of the 512k areas for themselves.
Why CBM couldn`t lay out these memory areas into one big linear space is a mystery to me..
Anyway, just to brag.. my A1200 flashrom gizmo has been working fine now for the last week. It`s only 1Mb, but it single boots straight into 3.9 with no resets.:-D
Still need to get a proper PCB made, it`s currently a mass of stripboard,SMT board about 150 wires and a sprinkling of glue logic..
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Getting back on topic.. (and replying to myself)
Doobrey wrote:
Maybe the best way is to fire up UAE set to 68000 cpu and 1Mb chip with ECS and test an image of that rom ?
Just tried it on UAE, and it constantly reboots when it`s set to a bog standard 68000. I can only get it to a WB screen by setting it to 020. The latest version of WinUAE even popped up a message saying the rom needs an 020 and wouldn`t even attempt to run.
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@Doobrey
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leirbag28 wrote:
The software inside the CD32 ROM should have been included in all 3.1 ROMS as standard, so that when you eventually did upgrade to a CDROM drive.it would autoboot CD32 games and audio CD's
Erm.. the CD-ROM driver in the CD32 won`t work for IDE or SCSI drives.
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Oh com on! you know what I mean..............they can make specific versions for the A600, A500 and A2000, and one for the A1200 and for the A4000, that directs the CD access to the IDE port or SCSI port..............
Amiga Definitely makes it possible!
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The CD32's logo screen is cool too!
Does it have a menu for manipulating game saves?
Was there an actual Commodore CD32 keyboard or have people just been
using CDTV/spraint painted A4000 keyboards...
:-D
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@Hyperspeed
Yes there was Official CD32 keyboards that were grey eactly like the CD32...basically an A4000 keyboard but just grey..........all the keys are grey except for the SHIFT, RETURN F1,F2....etc were black
I happen to be the only person in the world that I know of that owns this keyboard :-)
There is a picture in the gallery if you look.its quite small unfortunately and I put some stickers on it and some Korean text letters on the keys (im going to remove them.
anyway just look at the pictures I have submitted and you will see it. You can view it by going to my PMail screen and just scroll down and show yu the pics I have submitted. If you want a larger clearer version, I can send it to you.
this keyboard even has the CD32 logo on it! Although I dont believe that Commodore created this keyboard, but some other company made it for them.
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The image is not in the CD32 section. :-?
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There is a CD32 section here? where?
anyway if you want to see the image, jut act like your going to PMail me, and before you do, just scroll down and se the pics I have submitted...there is only one image........."Original CD32 Keyboard" is what its called
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Oh, I see it now. :-)
It's in the Events section. :lol:
It is probably a 3rd party product, but it looks really nice, nevertheless.
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Is the CD player and all it's grapics (CD+G stuff) on that 3.1 ROM chip for the CD32?
IIRC in the CDTV all that type of stuff was on a different rom and it just had the standard 1.3 rom in it.
I have an old CD32 that died and it has the single 1meg rom (I believe some CD32s had the 2 rom setup like the A1200). It would cool to make a rom switcher that could use that 3.1 ROM in my A1200.
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Thanks for all your help, now I know!
Time for plan B..........
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@leirbag28
What's the box between the keyboard port and the cable?
I've seen one CD32 using a remote control, is that what it is?
What do you know about the SX32's RAM limit, for the Pro model it says
64Mb but I see some people selling 128Mb on theirs occasionaly!?
Is there still no way to use FMV + SX32 at the same time?
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@Hyperspeed
The thing on the side is indeed that remote control reciever/Modem that was used in a Bank in Canada as a Banking system.it comes with a remote that lets you control the CD Player like a CDTV.....Cool! it even works with SCALA to change Pages in a presentation! I have the remote and 2 of these units.
The SX32 Pro is capable of handling up to 128MB of RAM. the bo and intructions allsay 64MB.I guess 128Mb SIMMS didnt exit at the time, so maybe they didnt know..............I have 128MB on my own SX32 and it works great...........I imagine if there was such a thing as 256MB SIMM that it would work as well.
And no The FMV card cannot be used simultaneously with the SX32.......although I am working on findng someone who will build an adaptor.............maybe Jens? :-)
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In reply to earlier question, the boot menu and animation etc is not in the cd32 3.1 rom, but in the extend rom
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Nope, it is in the CD32 rom.
It`s a single 1Mb Rom, the "extended" rom is in the lower 512k, and the normal rom in the top 512k.
The only reason you find it split into 2 parts is so UAE can handle it the way it does for the CDTV roms.
What I didn`t expect is the normal rom has all the guff that the A1200 uses, but is useless on the CD32.. scsi.device and the PCMCIA resources.
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So what does the SX32's hard disk run on if the scsi.device (A1200's
IDE port) is useless?
I've read that the SX32 uses the CD-ROM drive's access light to show
it's doing something as well. Strange!
If there is an unused pcmcia.device lurking on the CD32's ROM then
wouldn't it be within grasp to retrofit a PCMCIA port to the CD32?
That'd allow you to network via ethernet!
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@leirbag28
What did a Canadian bank use the infra-red thing for? Does it have IR
and modem BOTH in that small box on the keyboard port?
Also, has SCSI been considered for CD32 (allowing the use of a burner,
scanner etc.) because the DataFlyer SCSI is in fact an IDE ribbon with
SCSI conversion.
Just like those IDE-SCSI hard disk adaptors floating around.
:-)
I know a lot of Atari Jaguar owners programmed ROMs for it after Atari
went bankrupt but the potential for the CD32 is far greater.
Particularly since people are only now trying stuff out with
Dreamcast/GameCube/X-Box such as Linux etc.
:-D
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Doobrey wrote:
What I didn`t expect is the normal rom has all the guff that the A1200 uses, but is useless on the CD32.. scsi.device and the PCMCIA resources.
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Doobrey, I don't believe that it's useless to put it in............I love when they do that, because it leaves room for expansion, and as Hyperspeed said.I think the same of the SX32, that it uses these scsi devices in the ROM..........I also believe the PCMCIA will be able to be used one day, no matter what anybody says.
@Hyperspeed
Well besides it being ussed for customers to check their account (I think) it does havea modem and an infrared reciever.........and I think it was so that employees can listen to music or change the music that was playing..and it's possible the banking software was able to be controlled with the infrared remote......don't really know all the details.....only telling you what I have heard or read about it.....................but I do have this device and its great to be able to control my CD32/SX32 from far away for changing the music on the CD's or for SCALA when doing presentations in public.............I love it. Not sure how to use the Modem on it though.........I believe it's really slow.
Now about that DataFlyer, hmm I didnt know that it was actually an IDE cable converted to SCSI...so it sounds possible to be able to use it then on a CD32/SX32..that would be great.
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That's crazy!
Online banking on a CD32!
:-D :-D
So do you have any more history on it? How would you access this on a
2mb 14Mhz machine, was it some sort of Telnet?
Hell, I bet the Sega-CD didn't have this back in 1993!
;-)
Where did you get it?
I know Eyetech sell some sort of hack for allowing the A1200 to be
controlled via infra-red but this CD32 one is very interesting.
How does it interact with Scala?
:-o