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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: smithy on September 10, 2004, 10:43:06 PM
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An article appeared in the Daily Mail about a single European state after the Olympics was over last week. The article had a picture of double gold medallist Kelly Holmes and was altered so she was carrying a EU flag instead of the Union Jack flag. I just thought it was the Mail being paranoid, but today I stumbled across a quote by the EU's autocrat-in-chief, Romano Prodi from the "Europa Newsletter" (it seems the EU names itself after the French word for Europe).
After congratulating the "EU athletes" he goes on to say:
In 2008, I hope to see the EU Member State teams in Beijing carry the flag of the European Union alongside their own national flag as a symbol of our unity".
Link (http://europa.eu.int/newsletter/index_en.htm)
(fourth paragraph)
So here we are, another example of Euro-creep. The EU has always recognized that the biggest threat to it was from national identity. It has worked for years in various ways to try to impose its image into peoples' lives and to reduce the feeling of national identity. It has images of itself into aassports, driving licenses, the creepy "European Dimension" that provides EU-approved textbooks and information pamphlets to schools, regional government, as well as the more obvious things such as a flag, national anthem and "Europe Day", oh, their currency too.
But Prodi knows that people get their most patriotic during major sporting events. That's when we see national flags flying all over Europe. The EU must counter this unacceptable sea of patriotism for the member state and try to redirect peoples' attentions so they cheer for the EU instead.
I find this attempt at manipulating peoples' love of sport for political advantage very distasteful, but at the same time, very typical of what we've come to expect from the Beast of Brussels.
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Aaargh EU-fedralists IS insane.
If we had EU-athletes we would get EU-doping for the same reason there was US/Communist-block government approved doping in the 80s!
(and probably is Chinese government approved doping now)
It´s much better the more countries there is, if Sweden gets beaten in soccer I can always cheer on Denmark or Norway and the other way around.
EU should be a trade/travel union only maybe with some environmental work, if those {bleep}heads want to live in the US why the hell don´t they move to the US???!!
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Say the EU did want to remove national identity, what is it, exactly? Hmm?
That's right, nation doesn't exist. It's a name and a coloured piece of cloth, a concept that means absolutely nothing in praxis. Most of mankind's strife comes from the fact that it's carved up along imaginary national lines rather than cultural and ethnic ones.
If the EU want to remove something that doesn't exist, I don't care. I'd rather care about other things more important, like trade being ruled by unelected beurocrats. The UK flag looks ugly anyway.
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Not remove, replace!
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KennyR wrote:
Say the EU did want to remove national identity, what is it, exactly? Hmm?
That's right, nation doesn't exist. It's a name and a coloured piece of cloth, a concept that means absolutely nothing in praxis. Most of mankind's strife comes from the fact that it's carved up along imaginary national lines rather than cultural and ethnic ones.
And EU isn´t new imaginary lines?
If the EU want to remove something that doesn't exist, I don't care. I'd rather care about other things more important, like trade being ruled by unelected beurocrats. The UK flag looks ugly anyway.
I agree about the bureaucracy lets throw away the comission and the eu-parliament too, the minister-council is enough.
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If the EU want to remove something that doesn't exist, I don't care.
As Dan says, they want to replace with their own brand of nationalism. If it's so insignificant then why has the EU spent billions of pounds on promoting EU nationalism.
You often say you hate nationalism, yet you seem to have no have no problem with the EU's introverted supranationalism.
Any kind of inward-looking nationalism isn't good... but this is exactly what the EU is encouraging with its policies.
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I agree about the bureaucracy lets throw away the comission and the eu-parliament too, the minister-council is enough.
Dan, there's a LOT more sinister things going on. Read The Great Deception by Christopher Booker and Richard North. It's an excellent book, if a little frightening, it's been very well researched, and there is so much going on in the EU that the press don't tell you about....
Link to book on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826471056/qid=1094861625/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/202-9592948-8145409)
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That´s a lot off crap, there doesn´t need to be a great conspiracy it´s enough with some eurocrats that see the opportunity to grab more power for themselfs. If this continues over the years you get EU the same way all other empires was created, Rome, Byzantium, Germano-roman empire, the arabian empire, the emperors china, colonial UK and France during 1800s, USA, Soviet, by bureaucracy.
The one mansshows like Alexander the great, Djingis Khan and such always collapsed after the death of the leader.
But the worst part of EU is that it only tries to copy USA!
All that marketliberalism is idiotic, USA is headed the same way Soviet went. What made life so comfortable in the western europe and the neutral european countries was the balance between capitalism and socialism.
KennyR is often declaring his hatred for Thatcher, I´m surprised that he doesn´t see that EU is the same thing all over again.
Now if a new kind of european alliance was formed around such common sense as "The roads, railways and the powerlines should owned by the public, the buses, trains and powerplants by private companies" and
"If Bush want´s oil fine, let him have it, it´s not gonna last forever so it´s cheaper to move our infrastructure away from oil(which we have todo someday anyway) than involve ourself in his war." or
"Health and environmental laws in side the union should be minimum and not maximum regulations" BTW Thank you so much for the salmonella EU, we really appreciate your effort to reintroduce a disease which we almost made extinct.
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KennyR wrote:
Say the EU did want to remove national identity, what is it, exactly? Hmm?
That's right, nation doesn't exist. It's a name and a coloured piece of cloth, a concept that means absolutely nothing in praxis. Most of mankind's strife comes from the fact that it's carved up along imaginary national lines rather than cultural and ethnic ones.
As for removing national identity isn´t public schools and health care a important part of that identity, apart which americans hasn´t got. I know I don´t want any foreigners to critize the swedish healthcare system, thats my right which thanks to the corrupt socialdemocratic government I exercise frequently.
If the EU want to remove something that doesn't exist, I don't care.
Good then you won´t care when I remove something other that doesn´t exist?
History :lol:
Let´s begin with year 0 the day the EU-constitution is accepted by the memberstates. Before this nothing existed.
I'd rather care about other things more important, like trade being ruled by unelected beurocrats. The UK flag looks ugly anyway.
Don´t think the scottish flag will be spared.
EU is nothing but an attempt to drag the citizens in the european countries away from being unionmembers, demand healthcare and schools and being aware of how democracy works in practice, dragginng them away from that towards the modern american dream(MAKE MONEY FAST).
-Stop making trouble and being expensive and go to work for a {bleep} wage at this bigcorp that bought me a new boat!
Thats what the EU says to it´s citizens.
I have actually seen swedish revolutionary communists and socialists saying that when the EU-police and military arrives they will stand united with the nationalsocalists.