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Greetings,
My friend Emailed me this true story, thought I'd like to share it here. Maybe you've heard about this drug, I'm telling you. It disturbs me! :pissed: Read on-->
SHOCKING TRUE STORY: (INDIA)
A woman at a Gas nightclub (Mumbai) on Saturday night was taken by 5
men, who according to hospital and police reports, gang raped her before
dumping her at Bandstand Mumbai. Unable to remember the events of the
evening, tests later confirmed the repeat rohypnol in her blood.
Rohypnol, date rape drug is an essentially a small sterilization pill.
The drug is now being used by rapists at parties to rape AND sterilize
their victims. All they have to do is drop it into the girl's drink.
The girl can't remember a thing the next morning, of all that had taken
place the night before. Rohypnol, which dissolves in drinks just as
easily, is such that the victim doesn't conceive from the rape and the
rapist needn't Worry about having a paternity test identifying him months
later.
The Drug's affects ARE NOT TEMPORARY - they are PERMANENT. Any female
that takes it WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CONCEIVE. The weasels can get this
drug from anyone who is in the vet school or any university. It's that
easy, and Rohypnol is about to break out big on campuses everywhere.
Believe it or not, there are even sites on the Internet telling people how
to use it.
There was already been a report in Singapore of girls drink been Spike
by Rohypnol.
Please make the effort to forward this to everyone you know.
For guys - Pls inform all your female friends and relatives, remember
you also have daughters and sisters.
Regards,
Gizz
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Rohypnol does not sterilize anyone, though it sure can render someone unconcious if taken in too large doses.
(Progesterex doesn't exist, should anyone wonder)
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@ Gizz
Rohypnol is used in hospitals as a sedative and does not cause sterilization.
There is an urban legend of the drug Progesterex being mixed with Rohypnol for the purposes of date rape and sterilization, but this is just a legend. There is no such sterilization drug being used on unsuspecting women.
As for Rohypnol (or "Roofies") being slipped into drinks, this has happened, and in some places women have been advised to:
1) Not accept a drink from a stranger, unless she has seen it being decanted at the bar.
2) Not leave a drink unattended.
3) Make use of the chemical strips provided by some establishments. These change colour if dipped into a drink that is spiked with "Roofies"
Edit: damn!! Whabang beat me again
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MWUAHAHAHA!
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Hum,
I've heard of stories of guys waking up and finding out that their kidney had been removed, while they had been sedated...
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Always watch your drinks...
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Apparently that's an urban myth, but I am not sure...
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Well, a kidney could be worth about £20,000 if you had the tissue type and medical history of the 'donor' in advance. I know that organ theft has been done in India, but I'm not sure that it was done on the 'gentlemanly' basis of performing a semi-sterile procedure under sedation.
Now wasn't there a Robin Cook novel about somebody who was on the waiting list for a new heart or liver? If I remember correctly, the guy found out who was on the organ donor list, got their tissue types off the hospital computers and then 'helped' people of the same tissue type to have accidents that would ultimately make them suitable for organ harvesting...
I suppose it's not a big stretch for something like that to happen in reality :-o
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blobrana wrote:
Hum,
I've heard of stories of guys waking up and finding out that their kidney had been removed, while they had been sedated...
That's happened to me!!! Sort of... I woke one morning to find £30 missing from my wallet, and I had a terrible headache... actually that used to happen quite regularly, every Friday... :-?
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@ Bloodline:
:roflmao:
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bloodline wrote:
blobrana wrote:
Hum,
I've heard of stories of guys waking up and finding out that their kidney had been removed, while they had been sedated...
That's happened to me!!! Sort of... I woke one morning to find £30 missing from my wallet, and I had a terrible headache... actually that used to happen quite regularly, every Friday... :-?
Is that the inspiration for your avatar? :-)
(PS - Yes, I know where your avatar comes from, being a Monkey Island fan myself :-D)
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@ bloodline and mikey
Guybrush on his stag night....?
;-)
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Roofies are real, rapist have been using them for ages. They do not cause sterilisation though. AFAIK it's the same drug as a 'Mickey'.
Once back in my drinking days, I got a spiked drink. I'm a rather large guy of mostly Irish heritage, I had an extreme tolerance to alcohol. One day drinking at a bar, a girl offers me a mixed drink that she says she doesn't want. She said someone bought it for her and she didn't want it. Not being one to turn down a free drink, down it went. The next several hours are blank. Like IMMEDIATELY after, blank. I NEVER - EVER got black outs drinking. This is the one and only time. All I know is a few hours later I find myself driving around aimlessly ~30 miles away. When whatever it was' effects wore off, it wore off quick. By no means was I drunk, it was something else. Scary stuff. Some guy probably wanted to rape her, and she didn't trust the drink so she passed it on to me. :pissed:
The moral of this story? Don't accept a drink from ANYONE you don't know. Thank God I didn't run anyone over with my car, I would be in prison because someone else spiked the drink. Better yet, drink coffee instead:-D
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blobrana wrote:
Hum,
I've heard of stories of guys waking up and finding out that their kidney had been removed, while they had been sedated...
That is an urban legend. Organ harvesters generally kill you outright.
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Of course. Why would they settle for one kidney when they could have two, a liver, a heart, eye lenses, skin, intestine, lots of blood... Someone unprincipled enough to knock someone out and steal their organs isn't going to be nice enough to be moderate and sew them back up later. :)
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Without in any way wanting to trivialise the threat to women, people seem to forget - men are also at risk. When I was at university in London, there was a spate of cases of men being raped. It isn't just a female phenomenon.
Its the same with assault - women worry about walking home alone late at night, but men are 5 times (IIRC) more likely to be attacked.
My experience of late night post pub brawls is that even some of the nastiest, ugliest brutes wouldn't think of hitting a woman, yet they'd happily keep kicking you when you're lying on the ground helpless.
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Totally, totally OT, but I just thought it was funny:
Back in my uni days, and about 3 years ago, there was a mix up with the grants agency so that many students got their grants late. So the student union put together free 'emergency packages' to help those with no grant get past the worst times. The first funny part is that this was shown on TV, with heavily made-up, jewellery wearing, but 'obviously starving' students picking up the packages in their Versache T-shirts and jeans. Oh, the poverty.
Second funny part was the contents of the emergency package. A friend got one by pretending his grant hadn't come in (yes, I did have friends, but be assured they were as dark and twisted as I am). So we got to see the contents of the package.
From memory, it contained:
- Two packets of condoms
- Two packet of Rizla (cigarette papers)
- A handful of club fliers
- One packet of supernoodles
No prizes in guessing what the emphasis was here then. :)
Rohypnol has probably been around my uni, but I would be surprised if they knew about it. Getting obscenely drunk, getting shagged, and not remembering a thing about it was practically a way of life for most, long before rohypnol.
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I don't understand the motives behind distributing such a misinformed e-mail. Especially since it seems to suggest rohypnol is a rare, potential threat when it's been in heavy use since the late nineties, IIRC.
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The way to spot a dodgy e-mail "pass this along to your friends." Chain mail and e-mail pass more disinformation than Fox.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I don't understand the motives behind distributing such a misinformed e-mail. Especially since it seems to suggest rohypnol is a rare, potential threat when it's been in heavy use since the late nineties, IIRC.
This one has been around since '99 IIRC.
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Some guy probably wanted to rape her, and she didn't trust the drink so she passed it on to me.
:pissed:
And - have *YOU* been raped instead?
How was it?
(I've always been curious how it feels (if possble at all)when a man gets raped (by a woman)...)
:-D :-?
Better yet, drink coffee instead:-D
Well - everytime I visit the Netherlands I visit one of their famous coffee shops (but not to drink coffee, hehe :-D )
Too much coffeine is dangerous to my heart and prevents me from sleeping during the night...
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And - have *YOU* been raped instead?
Um.. no.. :nervous:
I've heard that such things have happened, so I won't make light of it. But no, luckily no such thing occured.
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That wasn't very funny... :-(
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Dandy wrote:
And - have *YOU* been raped instead?
How was it?
(I've always been curious how it feels (if possble at all)when a man gets raped (by a woman)...)
Male rape is worryingly on the increase and tends to not be taken seriously in society, so the resulting psychological damage can be appalling. It's no laughing matter at all.
Females raping males isn't unheard of. There was a publicised case a few years back of this happening. Non-consentual sex is still non-consentual sex, and can be an act of both extreme physical and emotional violence.
Having known a few close female friends who've had some awful experiences it's something I don't find amusing in the slightest.
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Dandy wrote:
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Some guy probably wanted to rape her, and she didn't trust the drink so she passed it on to me.
:pissed:
And - have *YOU* been raped instead?
How was it?
(I've always been curious how it feels (if possble at all)when a man gets raped (by a woman)...)
The closest I've ever come to that is "Reluctant" sex. (Using the term "reluctant" loosely!)
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The closest I've ever come to that is "Reluctant" sex. (Using the term "reluctant" loosely!)
As in:
"Oh no dear, not tonight.... Oh alright then."
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T_Bone wrote:
The closest I've ever come to that is "Reluctant" sex. (Using the term "reluctant" loosely!)
Women in monogamous relationships are always reluctant. That's just how they are. :)
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KennyR wrote:
Women in monogamous relationships are always reluctant. That's just how they are. :)
They are?
If they're in monogamous relationships with someone else then their reluctance is wholly understandable....
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that_punk_guy wrote:
That wasn't very funny...
:-(
Well - the first part was meant to be kind of joke:
Dandy wrote:
And - have *YOU* been raped instead?
The second part
Dandy wrote:
How was it?
(I've always been curious how it feels (if possble at all)when a man gets raped (by a woman)...)
:-D :-?
was more meant as a serious question, as I really have difficulties to believe that a male can have an erection if he *REALLY* does not want to have one.
From my own experiences I can say that a woman can do what she likes - I don't get an erection if I *really* don't want to get one!
Or the other way round:
If I get an erection, then - at least deep inside me - I want it!
So it appears to me that it should be impossible to rape a male (at least from my own experiences)!
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You don't have to have sexual intercourse to abuse someone sexually. Also, various drugs can be used to lower the inhibitions of the person in question. That's still rape.
I know I've had an erection when I didn't really want one! Also other "statutory rape" charges might apply if the male is young or the female is in a position of trust, etc.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I know I've had an erection when I didn't really want one!
Jeez... Always at the most innoportune moments!
Also other "statutory rape" charges might apply if the male is young or the female is in a position of trust, etc.
Actual penetrative sex doesn't need to take place to qualify as a sexual assault. There was a case in an office where a junior male member of staff successfully brought charges against senior female staff members who's abuse was more emotional than physical.
I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?". I've refused to buy the paper ever since. If the piece had been written by a male journalist about a female sexual assault victim he'd have been publically flogged.
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PMC wrote:
I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?".
Yikes! :-o
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that_punk_guy wrote:
PMC wrote:
I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?".
Yikes! :-o
Yikes indeed... In her view it's okay to sexually harrass and abuse male members of staff because "it's payback time" an no-one criticises.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
You don't have to have sexual intercourse to abuse someone sexually.
I agree - but weren't we talking about "rape"?
The only definition for "rape" I know up to today is if a male penetrates a female with his penis *AGAINST HER WILL*.
That means:
No penetration - no rape!
Furthermore:
No erection - no penetration - no rape!
Sexual abusage is a different thing and does indeed not require sexual intercourse.
that_punk_guy wrote:
Also, various drugs can be used to lower the inhibitions of the person in question. That's still rape.
I think that's a matter of definition - and the definition differs from country to country.
According to my understanding those drugs just make it easier for a person to say "yes" (as long as this person is not unconscious).
And if one says "yes", then he/she wants it and so it can't be rape.
that_punk_guy wrote:
I know I've had an erection when I didn't really want one!
Are you sure that you "really didn't want one"?
I think it just hit you unprepared.
If you *REALLY* would have *RESISTED* to get an erection (e.g. by thinking of/concentrating on something really sad)
you certainly would not have gotten one!
8-)
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I can see Punkie's point though : any sexual coupling against one of the participant's wishes is technically rape, and of course age plays a role where the law may determine that the rape is statutory. And there are drugs that can be injected directly into the penis to force a man to have an erection, so I don't believe the man has 100% control in these situations.
But I'll agree with Dandy on one thing: while it is still wrong for a woman to sit astride a man without his consent, I don't think that act is as heinous as a man penetrating a woman without her consent. I think the penetration and physical damage that may be done is a far worse violation of the woman's rights than if a man found his sausage being put in a wallet he didn't want it to be put in. I suppose if you wanted to compare apples with apples, a man would only suffer the equivalent mental and physical trauma of rape at the hands of a woman, if she used some kind of implement to penetrate him.
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Dandy wrote:
Are you sure that you "really didn't want one"?
I think it just hit you unprepared.
If you *REALLY* would have *RESISTED* to get an erection (e.g. by thinking of/concentrating on something really sad)
you certainly would not have gotten one!
8-)
It doesn't quite work like that... Especially if hyphotic drugs are involved. It's not as simple as "I don't want an erection so I'll think of Margaret Thatcher in her pants to put me off" as the interaction between mind and genitals more complicated than that, it's not just a mental response.
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@ Margaret Thatcher in her pants: eeeeewwwwwwwww!!!!
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PMC wrote:
It doesn't quite work like that... Especially if hyphotic drugs are involved. It's not as simple as "I don't want an erection so I'll think of Margaret Thatcher in her pants to put me off" as the interaction between mind and genitals more complicated than that, it's not just a mental response.
Or alternatively, anyone who's ever had a prostrate exam will see exactly how you can get up without wanting to in the slightest. Eow.
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lol @ Kenny's unintentional spelling mistake:
Prostrate
The sentence could be modified like this: "He had a prostate exam while lying postrate"
;)
Anyway back o/t:
Besides being immortalised in Road Trip, there is some medical evidence to support what Kenny alluded to.
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(I've always been curious how it feels (if possble at all)when a man gets raped (by a woman)...)
Of course it is possible for a woman to screw a man without his consent. But as he would have to have an errection, it would be even more difficult to prosecute a woman for rape than a man. It could be argued that his errection was proof of consent, and even if he could prove that he did not consent, she could argue that she thought he was consenting because he had a hard-on.
Have you ever passed out and woken up to find a some strange slapper playing with your penis[edit] (in case you have not noticed men get a boner while sleeping). It can be an unplesant and disturbing experience, even if she is attractive.
Rape can be a difficult charge to prove, with victims often too ashamed to come forward until long after the incident (if at all). The rapist often anticipates the victims response, and discredits them before they get a chance to confide in anybody. Also, Police, in my experience, treat victims of crime even worse than they treat the criminals if the victim is poor, young, ethnic or funny looking.
My society tends to tell men that they are all supposed to be studs, and men who speak out about being sexually assalted by women are rarely taken seriously. A 15yo girl dating an older man is frowned upon by all, but a 15yo boy dating an older woman is considered lucky. It is still a crime, but it is far less likley to go to court, and far less likley to convict a female-paedophile or rapist than a male.
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I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?". I've refused to buy the paper ever since
sheesh! what a stupid, childish, moronic point of view (her's, not your's). this is one of the main reasons i have very few female friends. it's hard to respect people who are this dumb.
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cecilia wrote:
I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?". I've refused to buy the paper ever since
it's hard to respect people who are this dumb.
And even harder when they're pedalling their crap in national newspapers every day. To tie in with Anakirob's post about male rape not being taken seriously in society, I was offended that the female journalist was effectively saying "Ladies, it's alright to abuse men in the workplace, after all they've been doing it to us for centuries".
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anakirob wrote:
Rape can be a difficult charge to prove, with victims often too ashamed to come forward until long after the incident (if at all). The rapist often anticipates the victims response, and discredits them before they get a chance to confide in anybody.
My society tends to tell men that they are all supposed to be studs, and men who speak out about being sexually assalted by women are rarely taken seriously.
Hear, hear. I've had three or four female friends who've had some thoroughly unpleasant experiences and who haven't reported the crime taking place out of shame, guilt (in one case the girl actually said to me "I should have fought him off, but I didn't so it's my fault") or emotional blackmail. Picking up the pieces afterward ain't nice either.
If a man either speaks out against a sexual assault by a woman or another man then society treats them much more harshly than they would a woman.
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If a man either speaks out against a sexual assault by a woman or another man then society treats them much more harshly than they would a woman.
More harshly? They'd be laughed at! :-x
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whabang wrote:
If a man either speaks out against a sexual assault by a woman or another man then society treats them much more harshly than they would a woman.
More harshly? They'd be laughed at! :-x
Exactly.
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My sister got caught out with a date rape drug with the first drink during a fairly normal friday night out, luckily she was with a group of her friends at the time, and the bouncers in the club knew her by site (and as such protected her more then most) so I guess she was lucky, but then again, she was practically in a coma for the better part of two days, and shaky for weeks afterward.
No one was caught, and to this day she can't remember what happened up untill a couple of days after and before.
In plymouth a few years back there were a spate of these occurences, no rapes, but quite a few women (including a good friend of my sisters) were made seriously ill over the course of 6 or so months, she, like they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That was a good few years back, though sadly there have been rapes of women who's drinks have been spiked since then.
All in all Plymouth is a sh!tehole of a city, which should be avoided at all costs. Glad I moved to Sheffield for so many reasons.