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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Jose on February 04, 2003, 11:45:21 PM
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From what I remember Gateway has the patents and Amiga has a special license.
So M$croshaft could be using AmigaOS stuff on windows etc.. :-D
Well I hope not but do you know any other licensees that use the technology? Maybe it's not public?
Or maybe it was a way for M$ etc. to use the patents without showing evidence AInc was bough for the patents, and to let the platform sink.
Just some thoughts. But if Gateway have the patents they must be using them for something!
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what i want to know is who owns the CDTV trademarks...
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Yes there was that chinese company who made something called wondertv and A6000 or something.
cant quite remmeber have to look in my old amiga mags
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Yes there was that chinese company who made something called wondertv and A6000 or something.
Check here. (http://amiga.emugaming.com/wondertv.html)
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From the site:
"Later versions of the WonderTV - the A8000 and A9000 - were designed around an x86 CPU and used the Windows CE operating system."
;-) The idea of an A8000 and A9000 designed around x86 architecture would appeal to many Amiga.org-ers, but the Windows CE has got to go....
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Didnt i read somewhere that one of the amiga copyrights is the bootable cd?
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teotwin tossed in:
Didnt i read somewhere that one of the amiga copyrights is the bootable cd?
:-? Dunno. I know that my Apple Powerbook will boot form CD, and Amiga's CD32 obviously can, but I've no idea who had it first, or who invented the idea...
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AFAIK, they own the patents for the two button mouse...
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whabang wrote:
AFAIK, they own the patents for the two button mouse...
I think the mouse patent is actually "Open menu with right mouse button". That's what I read in a CU Amiga mag or some other amiga mag. In Amigactive they said that Amiga/commodore had the patent for Bootable CD's. Don't know how far that goes..
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If they do own the patent for bootable CDs I wouldn't be surprised. The CDTV was released in 1991 and this was even before the days of the "powerful multimedia systems" (IE a PC with a SoundBlaster and a CD-ROM).
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Wait a minute there, didn't SegaMegadriveCD have a self-booting cd before cd32 ever came out? and what about ps1? they self boot too....
i thought this discussion might be about cellphone games coming out using amiga-de...
BTW i just Sparked up a packed-phat bowl of ganje..
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BTW i just Sparked up a packed-phat bowl of ganje..
Without doubt! The SegaMegaDriveCD came out after the CDTV, so did the PS1. Hell the CD32 came out before the PS1 and was the first 32 bit console. You've oversmoked again! :p
Also, I read the patents when Gateway bought them, and if I'm not mistaken they said that Commodore had a patent on proportional scrollbars. I also read recently an article stating that all of the later clone gfx cards were using Amiga technology (patents) by using co-processors onboard to take the graphics load off the cpu. Hmmm...what a novel idea! :) Soundcards using co-processors to take the audio load off the cpu? Hmm...
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420Dude doubted:
Wait a minute there, didn't SegaMegadriveCD have a self-booting cd before cd32 ever came out? and what about ps1? they self boot too....
;-) Nope. They just had self-booting befoure you heard about the CD32, not before it came out. Lots of people make that mistake.
:-D It always amuses me when young people discover stuff that I enjoyed as a youngster and are then so surprised to discover that I've already heard of it. "Wow, he's really with it, for an old guy."
:roll: If only they knew...
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BTW, wasn't Sega MegaDrive/Genesis the first 32-bit console?
I mean, the 68000, which the MegaDrive is based on, is 32-bit right??? :-?
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Im out of my league on this one, but from memory, the 68000 was internally 32bit bit, but external of the cpu the machines (A500 etc) were all 16bit. my guestimate is that the interface to the 68000 cpu was 16bit?
btw, bootable cd's are everywhere now, i guess nearly every platform has them. But getting royalties for it would never be enforcable in court, be harder than trying to get royalties on gif's ;-) but this has been discussed on a.org before...
Does anyone know where, or how to get a list of the patents that are amiga's. I reckon it would be a most interesting read.
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whabang wrote:
BTW, wasn't Sega MegaDrive/Genesis the first 32-bit console?
I mean, the 68000, which the MegaDrive is based on, is 32-bit right??? :-?
From what I can remeber;
32 bit Addressing mode,
24 bit DMA.
The 68020 was the first 68x00 CPU to really support 32 bit.
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BTW i just Sparked up a packed-phat bowl of gan
zzzzzzz
Well I just picked my nose and flicked a bogey into the waste bin.
If I wasn't following the "no personal attacks" rule at the moment
Id ................................... [ censored ]
Suffice to say your tedious "ooh I do drugs" references are wearing thin.
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I wonder why nobody knows this page, where every Amiga patent is listed. Now i'll put an end to this. ;-)
Follow this link to the European patent office (http://ep.espacenet.com/). Search for the company "Amiga" and you'll find some patents.
I've read them all some time ago. They are very interisting. And it's interisting to see how some companies have worked around the patents, for example the "hiding menus": Simply don't hide them.
Have fun reading them.
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By the way, I've found a new patent from January 14, 2003 signed by Amiga Development LLC.
It means, they're working!!!
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siciliano wrote:
By the way, I've found a new patent from January 14, 2003 signed by Amiga Development LLC.
It means, they're working!!!
Which one is it dude? Give the patent number if you can :-) .
Cheers :pint: :pint:
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It was filed in 1998, and granted in 2003.
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Hey look at this :-)
It must be the "right mouse button" patent discussed earlier?
CURSOR CONTROLLED USER INTERFACE SYSTEM
Publication date: 1988-09-20
Inventor(s): MICAL ROBERT J (US)
Applicant(s): COMMODORE AMIGA INC (US)
Abstract
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Menu item selection is performed in a personal computer system through the use of a mouse device which has means to allow the user to call up onto the display a header block which performs the function of the menu bar and to erase the header block from the screen when menu operations are not required. Multiple menu items can be selected during the same menu session by using a pair of mouse buttons to generate a sequence of selection commands which are utilized by unique system software to accumulate plural item selections without terminating the menu operation.
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By the way, I've found a new patent from January 14, 2003 signed by Amiga Development LLC.
Is that actually Amiga Inc though or sum1 else?
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DaveP wrote:
It was filed in 1998, and granted in 2003.
Ahh GateAmiga patent, meaning Gateway patent now. I didn't think Bill Mc or Fleecy themselves were programers or design engineers ;-)
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@teotwin
Im out of my league on this one, but from memory, the 68000 was internally 32bit bit, but external of the cpu the machines (A500 etc) were all 16bit. my guestimate is that the interface to the 68000 cpu was 16bit?
Yeah, that's why the Atari ST was called "ST", for Sixteen/Thirty-two. Later Atari machines which used full 32-bit CPUs were called TT.
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I never realised Gateway (aka Amiga Dev LLC) had filed quite so many patents. They all seem to relate to a STB/PVR type device, seemingly decoding digital TV services, merging EPGs properly, adding internet streamable TV services to a channel list with broadcast channels, searching for channel tuning information by entering a channel id, even automatically deciding what your favourite channels are (isn't this similar to what TiVo and the Windows 2000 start menu does?)
Quite curious. Didn't Gateway release some sort of Internet STB not long after AI bought the Amiga name from them?
Chris
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Patent Number: US6507951
Publication date: 2003-01-14
Inventor(s): WUGOFSKI THEODORE D (US)
Applicant(s): AMIGA DEV LLC (US)
Requested Patent: US6507951
Application Number: US19980002580 19980105
Priority Number(s): US19980002580 19980105
IPC Classification: H04N5/445; G06F3/00; G06F13/00
EC Classification: H04N5/445M
Equivalents: AU1951399, WO9935823
Here (http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/bnsviewer?CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD&PN=US6507951&ID=US+++6507951B1+I+)
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DaveP wrote:
It was filed in 1998, and granted in 2003.
You're right!
Sorry, I got mixed up with filed and granted. Thx for the correction.
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don't feel bad...
I did the same thing..
heh.