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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: amigamad on August 19, 2004, 11:21:28 PM
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Its sad but if someone ask,s about the current amiga market and you mention the pegasos they remove the post and put the reason as off topic quite sad if you ask me, theres more choices than the amigaone ,even if they dont like to admit it. :-?
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That's rather sad. Following that line of logic, UAE and OS4 would be off topic as well, as they both use emulation to run classic software.
Trev
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Who cares, neither amiga one or pegasos are available at the moment.. classic amiga rulez 8-)
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What can you expect from a corporate fansite? Free speech?
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Not to mention that they label the posters as trolls simply for doing so.
:pissed:
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rayt wrote:
Who cares, neither amiga one or pegasos are available at the moment.. classic amiga rulez 8-)
Um... I have a Peg on my desk.
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I have 3 pegs immediately to the right of where I am sitting. They are not in use right now, but they are excellent at what they do.
(clipping socks and things to the clothes horse ;-) )
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Err yes, and there's quite a few A1s out there being used as main machines right now!
AW is a bit of a pain, but on the other hand a couple of Peg advocates that have posted there in the past have been a bit over the top ... and thats coming from someone who likes 'em :-)
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Not to mention that they label the posters as trolls simply for doing so.
I'm sure some people who make POS posts on there ARE trolls. Just like on here, when someone asks a simple AOS question, someone just has to chime in with "get a Peg instead!".
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Um... I have a Peg on my desk.
Yeah, and I have an A4000 on my desk.. but that doesnt change the fact that A4000s are not avaiable anymore to new customers..
And if you morphos guys dont like amigaworld why do you visit it? no one is forcing you to visit the site.. its getting boring now, every few months when nothing is going on some morphos dude has the idea to bash amigaworld just for the fun of it..
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weirdami wrote:
I'm sure some people who make POS posts on there ARE trolls. Just like on here, when someone asks a simple AOS question, someone just has to chime in with "get a Peg instead!".
Yeah, what an evil troll. For the interests of the Amiga people with such wrong thoughts should have their right to self-expression taken away. It's the only way to purify and make sure we are all True Amigans.
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What is funny about that site, is that they've often claimed that they have no bias. And that they have no policy of removing posts about AmigaOS alternatives.
No official policy, perhaps. But you just read some of the moderator comments and you'll see that it is a quite anti-MOS site.
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I have never seen anyone getting their posts deleted for just mentioning pegasos... I know it is biased a bit towards amiga, cause they even admit that themself.. Amigaworld is a amiga community site, which has nothing to do with pegasos which is an entirely different computer. Amigaworld should be compared to a site like morphzone, and not compared to such sites as amiga.org, which is a site aimed more for both platforms.
But still, i have never seen any post getting deleted for just mentioning pegasos, unless there has been some serious trolling going on.
You must just face the facts... Pegasos/morphos has nothing to do with amiga, other than it is compitable with some amiga software. A pegasos is a pegasos, while amiga an amiga..
I dont think morphzone would be happy if amiga users came spamming their forum with messages like this: "Pegasos sucks, get a amigaone.."
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Amigaworld is a amiga community site, which has nothing to do with pegasos which is an entirely different computer.
Can you name 3 REAL differences?
But still, i have never seen any post getting deleted for just mentioning pegasos,
I don't read it all that often, and even I know it has happened.
You must just face the facts..
You must! I'm too busy dealing with your opinions right now.
Pegasos/morphos has nothing to do with amiga, other than it is compitable with some amiga software.
Except for the fact that it has basically the same design, and is very compatable with both PPC and 68k software. And MorphOS was to become OS4! Ha!!
I dont think morphzone would be happy if amiga users came spamming their forum with messages like this: "Pegasos sucks, get a amigaone.."
I agree. But we're not talking about people doing that. We are discussing people who only mention Pegasos in any positive way (or even only near positive )
That's right sir, AW is a big Amiga Inc. worship site.
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Tomas wrote:
You must just face the facts... Pegasos/morphos has nothing to do with amiga, other than it is compitable with some amiga software. A pegasos is a pegasos, while amiga an amiga..
An Amiga is an Amiga but an AmigaOne is a TeronCX, a board which is very similar to the Pegasos and shares the same number of similarities to the original Amiga - absolutely none.
So saying that Pegasos isn't an Amiga while TeronCX is just because Amiga Inc (who don't exist any more) say so, is rather ridiculous.
But I'd just have had this little comment moderated if I was on AWN. Can't disrupt the harmony of the collective with cold facts, can we?
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I love the smell of napalm in the mornin' :-D
(its gonna be one of those threads I guess)
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:flame:
No, you're the troll Karlos! :P
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6294&forum=2&16 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6294&forum=2&16)
The pegasos is mentioned many times in the thread with out any trolling but for the one post that you made.
BTW the main focus of Amigaworld.net is next gen amiga branded hardware and OS.
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iamaboringperson wrote:
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No, you're the troll Karlos! :P
Bleh :destroy: :lol:
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And what do you guys think would be different if AW.net didn't delete pegasos postings (which I dont believe is true)? Do you think every aw.net user would go crazy and say "yeah w000t w000t pegasos morphos r0XX0rw w00t w00t" and go directly to the gensini site to buy a board which isn't even available at the moment? I think the problem is that some morphos users think that everyone who isn't interestet in pegasos/morphos hates it or is anti genesi or a red troll etc.. But the truth is there's a lot of people out there that simply don't care about pegasos or morphos.. and not because they are red trolls but because they just don't give a **** about some small company named genisi and its products..
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Yeah AmigaWorld.net is more like morphzone. It's just too old to be called OS3/4 Zone ;). Meh, who really cares.
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simply don't care about pegasos or morphos.. and not because they are red trolls but because they just don't give a **** about some small company named genisi and its products..
In other words, the 'reasons' are more emotional than anything else. Yes?
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By the way, your choice sux, mine rox.
Happens everywhere, all the time, don't it.
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KennyR wrote:
thomas wrote:
You must just face the facts... Pegasos/morphos has nothing to do with amiga, other than it is compitable with some amiga software. A pegasos is a pegasos, while amiga an amiga..
An Amiga is an Amiga but an AmigaOne is a TeronCX, a board which is very similar to the Pegasos and shares the same number of similarities to the original Amiga - absolutely none.
The difference between Pegasos and Amigaone is that amigaone is licensed by Amiga inc, which owns the Amiga brand.. Since they own the brand, they can slap on the Amiga name on a x86 if they wanted too...
I agree that boards are quite similar, but whoever owns the brand name, is the one who decide which one is the real amiga..
So saying that Pegasos isn't an Amiga while TeronCX is just because Amiga Inc (who don't exist any more) say so, is rather ridiculous
Have missed something lately?? Has Amiga Inc gone out of business or something?
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rayt wrote:
But the truth is there's a lot of people out there that simply don't care about pegasos or morphos.. and not because they are red trolls but because they just don't give a **** about some small company named genisi and its products..
Strangely enough I don't care a **** about even smaller companies/ex-companies called Amiga Inc, Eyetech, or Hyperion. It doesn't mean I want to go to a site where any positive mention of them is removed using some lame excuse such as 'off topic' or 'trolling or flame baiting'. I think I'm better off not living in an anti-reality bubble created by obviously biased moderation, where I know so little about other options I can't even spell them properly.
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The difference between Pegasos and Amigaone is that amigaone is licensed by Amiga inc, which owns the Amiga brand.. Since they own the brand, they can slap on the Amiga name on a x86 if they wanted too...
I agree that boards are quite similar, but whoever owns the brand name, is the one who decide which one is the real amiga..
So an x86 box would be a 'real Amiga' if a particular company put it's logo on it, and said 'there, it's an Amiga'.
That still doesn't explain why the Pegasos is not related.
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Tomas wrote:
Have missed something lately?? Has Amiga Inc gone out of business or something?
Heh, were they ever in business?
These days they don't exist because, apparently, they've been 'bought over' by KMOS Inc, who now own the IPs, which are, by the way, still legally contested.
I don't see why I should realign by whole Amiga experience to what I see as poorer hardware and software just because a company who lie and cheat and con 'might' own the name.
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In other words, the 'reasons' are more emotional than anything else. Yes?
No, the reason is: Why should I spend money to buy a microatx board named "pegasos" which runs an operating system called "morphos" whose greatest feature is that it can run a few programs that my A4000 also runs? It simply is not attractive to me.. what about the promised morphos qbox which should have made it far superior and unique and not just another amigaos clone? And even genesi are now trying to survive by focussing on linux/bsd..
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So an x86 box would be a 'real Amiga' if a particular company put it's logo on it, and said 'there, it's an Amiga'.
Yes! If the owner of the amiga brand does that, then yes it is a real amiga, wether we like it or not..
I personally think that the classic hardware design"custom chipset" is what made amiga special though..
neither pegasos or amigaone seems very appealing to me now.. AmigaOS is great and all, but without the custom chipset it is just not very appealing in my eyes.
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I'm not getting sucked into this thread, but..
which runs an operating system called "morphos" whose greatest feature is that it can run a few programs that my A4000 also runs?
I don't know about "a few", my Pegasos runs everything I have ever tried to run on it right out of the box. No need to recompile, it's binary compatible. Pretty impressive, really.
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Ok, ok.. i shouldn't have said everything, I did try to run some really odd old software even though I had a feeling it might try to bang the hardware, and it did. Everything that i expected to work did:-)
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Before getting my Pegasos I asked here and on AW.net about them. Here i got a lot of support and was told its a great machine, there i got marked as a troll and bashed for stating I wanted one.
Oh and you CAN get a Pegasos II right now. Several places have them in stock again.
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This thread is an attempt at trolling for the sake of argument. Don't come here in an attempt to smear the reputation of another site that's supporting the Amiga, just like we are. This is not the place for debate of their policies. You have a problem with another site, take it up with them. It's that simple.
Wayne Hunt