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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: x56h34 on August 11, 2004, 05:14:03 AM
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Time to clear out some space. Click on the link below for more details.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5115311373
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Hi,
Do you find that you get as much selling like this as you would splitting it?
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I'm mainly looking for collectors or first timers with setups like this one. It is an all-in-one package, and to someone who is considering getting into or back to Amiga, this very well may seem like the perfect choice. The system is capable enough for most of the games out there, and can provide an acceptable speed, when working within the OS.
I don't think that Viper 1230LC accelerator would go for much, if it were sold separately. It is more of an asset if bundled together, in this case, I think. However, something better than it, and I would have definitely sold it separately (e.g. a blizzard card).
And of course, splitting anything from the A1200 Magic setup would be foolish, as I would lose on the NEW! COMPLETE! W@W! effect. :-)
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Everyone bow down before me, for I am your king. :-)
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You do not know what you are talking about! :-D
;-);-)
So the answer to my earlier question is.....yes!
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Damn you could get like 3 at Vesalia for the price this ended at, since this is a PAL unit... eBay CrAzInes I say!!
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Selling used things as new is really lame.
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That price is just wrong. You must teach me oh master of merchandising.
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@DJBase:
Whatever buddy. Use google translation if you can't understand the description of the auction. Select translate from English to German, and you're all set.
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Maybe it was new before you opened it and installed stuff.
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Well, that's a good point, however even Amiga dealers do it. Let's take Vesalia for example. They sell new A1200 with 40, 60, and 80GB hard drives in them. They had to open NOS units to install those hard drives, no doubt about it. It's a necessary thing. I wish I had A1200 units with Escom factory installed hard drives in them, but I don't. I have a bigger chance of making a better sale if I sell an A1200 with a hard drive in it, than one without it.
I mentioned in the item description that the unit was opened once, for the HD to be installed. It's not like I said "NEW! UNOPENED!" and the backside clearly shows a broken warranty seal.
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I won this auction and then someone told me to check out this thread. It looks to me like there are some people that think this was too high to pay (especially for a PAL unit), and x56h34 looks to be gloating about the amount it sold for. I must admit I took the time to look at vesalia.de which someone also told me about and I could have got the same type of unit (NTSC) + accelerator card for about $120 US less.
My question to the 'community' is do you think this is too expensive for what I am getting? I am not sure about shipping costs from Denmark to the USA so I would have to take that into account.
I look forward to the posts about this before I actually pay for the unit. Feel free to PM me if you do not feel comfortable replying in this thread.
x56h34 - please don't interpret this as a dick move, but I want to be sure that I am not getting ripped off and since I am just getting back into the Amiga scene I want to check with some people in the know. I'm also aware that if I decide not to buy the unit you have the option of leaving negative feedback on my eBay account, but hopefully you would understand my decision (if that is the case).
w00p
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Hm, I'd say think before you bid and make sure the amount you're about to bid is also the amount you're prepared to pay for it. It's very bad buyer-practice to retract your bid after the auction ended, people who do that to me end up in my ignore list, will receive negative FB and will be filed as a NPB with EBay (if I'm not mistaken you're allowed 2 retracts and at the 3rd your account get's frozen or something IIRC).
Anyway, if you ask me the amount you bid is a bit steep, then again it is supposedly in pristine condition and that is also worth quite a bit. And one thing also to take into consideration is the low dollar (at least I presume the Danish crone is more Euro-centric than dollar-centric) so that would knock a bit off the actual price.
My 2€c :-).
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Heh, well it will cost you about the same if you order from Europe, as you will be charged for shipping in the 60 to 100eur range and customs tax will most likely be applied + no accelerator. I am profiting here a little due to the fact that I bought bulk sometime ago from Europe and am slowly getting rid of the items.
My comments were simply bragging about the good sale and nothing more. :-) I didn't refer to you as a sucker or anything, by all means.
I've already packed everything, spent time advertising the item, went to the postal office for rates. I think it would be a bit unfair if you dropped out, but do what you feel is best for you. You would be ruining for me a few other perfectly good bids which were in the same range (pretty close) as yours. I am usually very flexible about resolving eBay problems, however to be honest with you, I don't see one here. I am in the business of selling and I am certainly not going to e-mail my bidders before auction end, telling them that I don't think their bids are rational, and that they should quickly pull out or else suffer the overpriced charge. It doesn't work that way.
Anyway, it's up to you, as I've said.
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My question to the 'community' is do you think this is too expensive for what I am getting? I am not sure about shipping costs from Denmark to the USA so I would have to take that into account.
You would get a better and cheaper A1200 System at lower shipping costs if you buy it from Vesalia.
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Let's take Vesalia for example. They sell new A1200 with 40, 60, and 80GB hard drives in them. They had to open NOS units to install those hard drives, no doubt about it.
I am not sure if the drives are installed into the Amiga from Vesalia.
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Getting ripped off by ebay sellers that don't send products that are paid for is one thing, and I have experienced this more times than once recently.
Backing out of purchase is quite another.
Ask yourself this question:
How much is this Amiga worth to you? Not what is it worth to everyone else. If you can't figure that out, then you should think why you bid in the first place.
This A1200 is a little steep for me, but then I did not bid on it. I certainly don't think this is a rip off. Sounds like a kick ass machine, and I'm jealous I didn't have the money to outbid you. :roll:
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w00p, you're better of buying a new A1200 from Vesalia.
:idea:
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You bid and won the auction. You have to buy it now. Backing out would be wrong since a bit it a contract as stated on ebay. I do think you paid way to much as well. Shipping from Europe would not be that much. I got an A1200 a few years back and it was only $30 to ship it air post. It took a week to get to me. In the future when you upgrade make sure to look before you leap.
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Re: eBay: Amiga 1200 NOS (3.1 Roms, 68030 @ 33Mhz + FPU + 8MB Ram)
Everyone bow down before me, for I am your king.
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If he does back out you deserve it for posting crap like that here. He came to the site and read it. How the heck do you think that makes him feel after being told he paid to much for the item. You yourself just admited he oaid more and cheered yourself on for it! :pissed:
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If he does back out you deserve it for posting crap like that here. He came to the site and read it. How the heck do you think that makes him feel after being told he paid to much for the item. You yourself just admited he oaid more and cheered yourself on for it!
The auction started at $9.99 and no reserve. I didn't push anyone into bidding over $300USD+. I don't have spyware installed on his computer that bids to my advantage, without his knowledge. The fact that he is an uninformed bidder is not my problem or concern.
My comments were bitter, I 100% agree, however I did it to sort of tease Cyberus, as he asked for advice on whether I find it I earn more or less when selling stuff like this together or separate (first reply to this thread).
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I don't even understand why this is an issue. There is a feature on ebay that allows you to search completed auctions. You can then see how much things have sold for within the past month or so. w00p might have seen this: Ebay Auction I won. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4598&item=5109795585)
If w00p didn't do it, tough.
Also, I just looked a w00p's feedback. W00p purchased an amiga 1200 last month for $122. So my questions to you w00p are: Did you know what that one was worth before you bid? How many do you hafta buy before you establish what they are worth in your mind?
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Desverger - I guess you didn't fully read my post, or the other post I made about selling that Amiga since I won another. All I was after was some feedback from people in the Amiga community as to this auction and its price. And the only reason I even made the post in the first place was that someone told me to look at it! Whether I decide to pay for the item or not is entirely up to me, but before I make that decision, I wanted to ask around. If you're not going to provide me with some feedback on the actual questions I asked, maybe you could post somewhere else?
x56h34 - I will probably end up paying for the Amiga, for some reason, I still like the fact as to what I am getting and money wise, I'm fine with parting with $375 for it. I was just caught off guard with your comment RE: the price it sold for.
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So you've bought and sold a 1200. I don't understand why you don't have any idea of what they are worth by now.
Also, I will tell you why I responded to this thread. I am a member of the Amiga community and of the Ebay community. As a seller there is nothing worse than a non-paying bidder. I don't care what anyone thinks about what you contractually said you'd pay for it. The bottom line is that you said you'd pay that for it. Period. Now pay the man!
That is the last post I will make in this thread. I am butting out.
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W00p you need to pay for the auction. You could have looked arround but didnt, and bit on it without force.
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Once again, for those of you who can not read, or do not understand. Regardless of whether you think I should pay for this item or not has absolutely no bearing on my decision at all! I was merely looking for opinions on whether people thought the total on the item was high. I went back and read over my previous posts and couldn't find anywhere that I stated I was not going to pay for the item; I did say I was thinking about not paying for the item, depending on the feedback. For those that were competent enough to read my posts and reply with their points of view, I appreciate it. For others, well what can I say ... thanks for trying?
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Watch out for bad advices such as the ones comming from DjBase. He is only in it so that he could mine this auction (look at the pattern of his replies). He's not your friend, but a resident troll.
Just look at this comment made by him:
You would get a better and cheaper A1200 System at lower shipping costs if you buy it from Vesalia
How would you get lower shipping rates from Germany, if shipped to the states? Vesalia will charge 60EUR to 80EUR at least, for shipping an A1200 Magic pack to the US. I've ordered quite a bit from them so I speak from experience.
And then DjBase plays dumb and says that he doesn't know if Vesalia install those 40, 60, and 80GB hard drives themselves in the magic packs...suuure, I bet Commodore or Escom installed them throughout 1992 and 1995. Oh yes, they had them way before everyone else. :lol:
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Ok I just can't force myself to no respond to this so I will apologize to those who are tired of my ranting.
First, I did give you my opinion about the caliber of deal you got. I also included my full opinion of the deal as I saw it complete with my opinion of your allusions. I am sorry if you don't like it, but it is what it is.
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w00p wrote:
I did say I was thinking about not paying for the item, depending on the feedback.
Generally if you are "thinking about" X then there is a possibility that you will do X. I was merely trying to disuade you from X which in this case equals breaking a contract made in good faith.
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I am looking at getting a MIB A1200 NTSC and was quoted 36 Euro shipping to the USA by Vesalia. The A1200 I want is a NTSC unit and around 90 Euro with no upgrades as I have a 2G and 4G laptop HD sitting here ready to be used. 126 Euro is worth it shipped to me. Not sure where the 80 Euro came from unless I was quoted wrong.
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And the shipping method used would be...may I take a guess? Surface?
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hmmm, $375 for a second-hand A1200... that really makes me think Ebay is full of people
1)with too much cash in their hands
2)who don't have a clue of the value of things
I paid 120 euros 2-3 years ago for a brand new A1200 "magic pack", albeit with no HDD and accelerator. But then that Viper 030 isn't worth much...
And here in the UK I could regularly pick-up A1200 on car boot sales for around 10-20 euros.
Anyway I guess I'll give Ebay a go when I want to part with the A4000T+Cyberstom 060 I have in a closet... With such Ebayers around that should earn me enough for a decent PC or holiday in the sun :D
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Except for the fact that I'm not looking for an A4000 :-)