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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Entertainment => Topic started by: legion on July 27, 2004, 07:52:37 PM
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So I'm sitting, here bored at work and decided to rummage through the Aorg general forums...
Amigan metalheads!! And oldschool ones at that.
Red, I had no idea :lol:
I like all kinds of music, but I'll always have a special place in my heart for speed metal. That said, I thought I'd throw out the name of the best CD I've bought in the last few years:
Exodus - "Tempo of the Damned."
Anybody else have this CD yet? :-?
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legion wrote:
Amigan metalheads!! And oldschool ones at that.
I'm listening to Slayer right now :-D
Ok, it's Divine Intervention, but I'm warming up before letting rip with Raining Blood :-D
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Where have you been? ;-) I think metalheads outnumber other music fans on here, they're certainly the most vocal. :-D
I have been known to lend my ear to the odd bit of metal. And in the spirit of name-dropping:
http://www.sendmoreparamedics.com
Totally zombie-obsessed lyrics, they're pretty funny. Check out the song 'Driven To Destruction'.
As for that Exodus record, I doubt Red will have it, because it's "anti-American" ;-)
I've yet to be introduced to Exodus.
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Wasn't Exodus the outfit that Kirk Hammett was with before he joined Metallica?
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snicker..
Red, I had no idea
You aren't the first to say that, I get that now and then in here :lol:
That's funny, people have this preconceived notiton about Republicans. I'm a strong Republican therefore I must be some shirt-n-tie guy pencil-neck stiff who drives a BMW, makes 500K+ per year and listens to classical? :roflmao:
Exodus - "Tempo of the Damned."
I was never a big Exodus fan myself and honestly I havn't heard the new albumn. I'm not going out of my way to hear it though, a close friend who is/was a big Exodus fan bought it and was bitterly disapointed at the liberal propoganda in it.
Hmm.. a new Album I'd recomend? Damage Plan - definately. No doubt this is old school metal.
I am looking forward to Ozzfest this Sept in FL, it'll be my first. This year is a no-brainer with almost the entire ticket being fantastic! Priest with Halford? SLAYER? Sabbath? Slipknot? All at the same show?!? Are you kidding me? I can't wait, so much so I am almost obsessing on it :-o :-o
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Cyberus wrote:
Wasn't Exodus the outfit that Kirk Hammett was with before he joined Metallica?
Yes for 1 album AFAIK, Bonded by Blood.
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Yeah, the Exodus CD does have some 'propaganda' I suppose. Good thing I don't listen to music for the lyrics :lol: Anyhow Red, if you can get past some of the lyrics, it really is a great thrash CD, in the old style.
I heard the Damageplan CD, I wasn't really that impressed. If were talking of new projects from old Pantera members, I'd say Superjoint Ritual is a better listen. Also the first Down CD was very good.
I have to agree with you guys on the nu-metal thing.
Check this (http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=25188) out.
I say we give him $20 and tell him to keep fighting the good fight :-D
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:lol:
Nice work!
[although I do think the lady in Evanescence has a great voice]
These people don't have a clue what metal is!
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Cyberus wrote:
[although I do think the lady in Evanescence has a great voice]
That's the only good thing about Evanesence and the Seether track she was on.
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Tempo of the damned is certainly the best thrash record ive heard in a long time.
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I heard the Damageplan CD, I wasn't really that impressed.
Really? Did you listen to the whole thing? I liked it alot, and thought the CD got better as it went along. The singer is a big change from Phil, but dimebag can still whail.
I'd say Superjoint Ritual is a better listen.
I pretty much like what I've heard of SuperJointRitual, except that one 'Destruction of a Person'. Oh god is that bad, pathetic even.
Also the first Down CD was very good.
Yes it is!
You want some good off the beaten track metal? You may or may not have heard of these. Nail Bomb is good for a change, sort of Heavy Industrial Metal. Of course there is Brujeria, the Mexican Gods of metal!
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Nailbomb absolutely rock!
I used to have a bag with their logo painted on it. But I stopped using it around 1998, as a couple of nailbombs went off in London, and I thought it'd be in poor taste.
It's Max Cavalera and Alex Newport from Fudge Tunnel, with some parts played by Igor Cavalera and Andreas Kisser.
They also released a live album - "Proud to commit commercial suicide"
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I have the live Nailbomb record, there are a couple of studio tracks on the end too. It's pleasingly intense, some of the songs sort of remind me of the Ratos De Porao cover Sepultura did in terms of the approach.
I love the irony of releasing (the biggest cash-in of all cash-ins) a live album and giving it that name though. Plus it's hardly commercial suicide to kill off a side project when you're in the greatest metal band on the planet at the time. Heh. ;-)
Still, it pees all over Soulfly, that's for sure. It's nice to hear stuff from Max before he changed his entire political schtick and decided he'd make bad Christian music. In my mid-teens he was my hero. Such a disappointment. :-(
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hmm, I shall seek out this "Nailbomb" you speak of.
Also, another impressive band that is fairly new: Mudvayne. There newest record is pretty sterile, but LD 50 is blunt, agressive metal the way it should be. Their song "Internal Primates Forever" for the most part restored my faith in today's youth.
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re: Mudvayne
I like them too, though I actually like their newest album better than LD50.
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Well, I've heard of Metallica, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone else in this thread :lol:
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I'm sortof a metal fan.
I much prefer Baroque however.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
It's nice to hear stuff from Max before he changed his entire political schtick and decided he'd make bad Christian music. In my mid-teens he was my hero. Such a disappointment. :-(
Max? Christian music? Are you sure you're thinking of the right person there? :-P
Actually, I haven't heard any Soulfly since their first album and I only gave that a brief listen. It was such a drastic change from Sepultura. Is it really religious now or were you having a joke?
I remembered reading in an interview shortly after he'd split from Seps that he "wouldn't quit music until he'd found the heaviest riff in the world"... Then came the first Soulfly album, what a waste!
It's just a pity that Seps haven't been able to get out of Max's shadow though, they're stuff is better than Soulfly, but still not a patch on Max + Seps.
The best thing Max has done since leaving Seps was Red War with Probot. But probably my favourite song of Seps is the cover of Orgasmatron - fantastic stuff :-D
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Max? Christian music? Are you sure you're thinking of the right person there?
Hmm.. I don't think he went overly christian besides dedicating an album to God. I didn't even think about it.
Actually, I haven't heard any Soulfly since their first album and I only gave that a brief listen. It was such a drastic change from Sepultura. Is it really religious now or were you having a joke?
I guess i should step in as the resident SoulFly fan here and defend them. SoulFly is NO Sepultura, but it isn't all bad. As a matter of fact I like most if it. Songs like Bleed are extremely heavy and Sepultura-ish (Well take out the stupid 10 seconds of Fred Durst rapping that is..ooh god what was Max thinking). I have all 3 of their albums and overall it is very heavy. It's not completely heavy though, there are some melodies thrown in and musically it goes all over the spectrum. However Max's voice is still Max, and the overall them is still heavy metal, very heavy. I can only think of one song that is so bad I have to turn it off. "In Memory of" is terrible, some other member of the band rapping through the whole song.. uuuh.. Overall it's pretty good stuff.
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redrumloa wrote:
Max? Christian music? Are you sure you're thinking of the right person there?
Hmm.. I don't think he went overly christian besides dedicating an album to God. I didn't even think about it.
"Pressure building on my soul, I ask God to take control."
"Give God thanks and praise!"
"Just let my soul fly free and let me be the one God wants me to be."
- 'Flyhigh'
"God knows, and you will too."
- 'Boom'
"And God will guide me."
- 'Back To The Primitive'.
Also, the cover image of their first record with Max as Christ the Redeemer, and the religious images all over their records.
But it's not that that bothers me. I like other bands who reference Christianity (notably Mineral.) It's not even so much that musically he's content to regurgitate Seps riffs and write incredibly inane lyrics.
Sepultura always brought a conscientious challenge to the injustices of this world and as Max says at some point on the Chaos DVD (I think it's on the second video) never fogot where they had come from. (The interviewer had said that when people escape the poverty of the third world, they tend to become blind to it and pretend it's not there.)
Now, I think that's happened. His lyrics are personal and self-centered, and when he tries to work outside of those parameters he bluffs it by paying "homage" to (ie. pissing on the memory of) Sepultura. He's not playing it straight anymore, he's not for real. He's become lazy and egotistical.
"Only I guide my Inner Self."
"Let me be the one God wants me to be."
Which lyric appeals most to you?
I guess i should step in as the resident SoulFly fan here and defend them. SoulFly is NO Sepultura, but it isn't all bad. As a matter of fact I like most if it. Songs like Bleed are extremely heavy and Sepultura-ish (Well take out the stupid 10 seconds of Fred Durst rapping that is..ooh god what was Max thinking). I have all 3 of their albums and overall it is very heavy. It's not completely heavy though, there are some melodies thrown in and musically it goes all over the spectrum. However Max's voice is still Max, and the overall them is still heavy metal, very heavy. I can only think of one song that is so bad I have to turn it off. "In Memory of" is terrible, some other member of the band rapping through the whole song.. uuuh.. Overall it's pretty good stuff.
Jim, I hope you don't take it as a personal affront when I ask this. ;-)
It seems to me a lot of the time you measure the quality of a record by how "heavy" it is, of course as a metal fan that's important, but is that really more important than the quality of the songs and the integrity of the artist?
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Vincent wrote:
It's just a pity that Seps haven't been able to get out of Max's shadow though, they're stuff is better than Soulfly, but still not a patch on Max + Seps.
Did we ever discuss 'Roorback' when it came out? I was so excited for that, and I've listened to it about 5 times since I bought it. Um, that was May 2003. :-(
I can't get into it at all. 'Nation' is amazing though, definitely better than anything Max has mustered post-Seps.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Did we ever discuss 'Roorback' when it came out? I was so excited for that, and I've listened to it about 5 times since I bought it. Um, that was May 2003. :-(
I don't think we did, I can't remember it, but that doesn't mean a thing.
I know someone who has some Soulfly albums, once he's moved house (in a week or two, from 5 mins away to just 2 secs round the corner from me) and unpacked I'll borrow them and have a listen.
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Wow, where to start? You pick certain lines out disecting songs.
"God knows, and you will too."
- 'Boom'
Hardly a religous reference.
"And God will guide me."
- 'Back To The Primitive'.
That's one line from it. another is "F*** all your B***S***.". Hardly a sunday hym for church.
Also, the cover image of their first record with Max as Christ the Redeemer,
Huh? I think that's a bit of a stretch.
It seems to me a lot of the time you measure the quality of a record by how "heavy" it is
I'm a real metalhead, I like heavy. It's not the only factor, but I usually like my metal angry and f***inkg heavy.
is that really more important than the quality of the songs
The quality of the songs is what is pleasing to one's ears. As with any music you either get it or you don't get it. I've already stated I thought old Sepultura was better than Soulfly. I don't know why your so hung up on Soulfly though. Did Max kick your dog in the balls or something? :lol:
and the integrity of the artist?
First off what makes you think there is something wrong with Max's integrity? You may not like his current music, but that's a fry cry from integrity.
Secondly, I normally don't give 2 sh**s about the artists themselves. There are a few exceptions like Burzum and Metallica. They are below contempt and will not see a penny of my money. But besides that I don't care about them or their celebrity status. They make a product I like, I buy it. They make a product I don't like, I don't buy it. I live in South FL and it isn't unusual to bump into a celebrity be it movie, sports or music. I don't even give a second glance normally. They are just people like anyone else. They put their pants on one leg at a time just like anyone else.
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Okay, you totally misunderstood my intentions, I wasn't trying to flame. You don't have to be on the offensive all the time, you know. :-)
Heh... anyway, by way of explanation:
redrumloa wrote:
That's one line from it. another is "F*** all your B***S***.". Hardly a sunday hym for church.
Okay, sure.
But that doesn't nullify the religious content.
Also, the cover image of their first record with Max as Christ the Redeemer,
Huh? I think that's a bit of a stretch.
Ummm nope, it's not even an assumption. It was intended to mirror the statue in Rio. He also name-checks it in the song 'Brasil'. ("O Cristo Redentor").
It seems to me a lot of the time you measure the quality of a record by how "heavy" it is
I'm a real metalhead, I like heavy. It's not the only factor, but I usually like my metal angry and f***inkg heavy.
is that really more important than the quality of the songs
The quality of the songs is what is pleasing to one's ears. As with any music you either get it or you don't get it. I've already stated I thought old Sepultura was better than Soulfly. I don't know why your so hung up on Soulfly though. Did Max kick your dog in the balls or something? :lol:
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Ehhh no, I was just trying to explain the Christian thing.
and the integrity of the artist?
First off what makes you think there is something wrong with Max's integrity? You may not like his current music, but that's a fry cry from integrity.
Again you're right, but I already made that distinction in my above post. I'm not sure what else I can say about that without repeating myself. The passion isn't there so he sticks to the template to keep the money rolling in regardless. Which is fine if you want to keep buying the same record.
Secondly, I normally don't give 2 sh**s about the artists themselves. There are a few exceptions like Burzum and Metallica. They are below contempt and will not see a penny of my money. But besides that I don't care about them or their celebrity status. They make a product I like, I buy it. They make a product I don't like, I don't buy it.
Since an artist's work is ultimately an expression of themselves, I tend to place a certain amount of importance on who's creating it. (NB: I don't mean I think they are particularly important themselves, just how they express themselves.)
Generally, you can hear it in the music. You can tell when someone's not there emotionally. If that's not important to you, then that's cool. I just think angry metal sounds angrier and better when the band is actually angry. :-)
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I like my metal to be good :D as with the rest of the music i listen to.
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redrumloa wrote:
They are just people like anyone else. They put their pants on one leg at a time just like anyone else.
I jump into mine in mide air does that make me speshul?
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Okay, you totally misunderstood my intentions, I wasn't trying to flame. You don't have to be on the offensive all the time, you know.
I wasn't trying to be on the offensive. I am opinionated though, especially when it comes to music. You should know mw by now, my posting style can be colorful at times. If I'm going for the throat, you'll know it;-)
The passion isn't there so he sticks to the template to keep the money rolling in regardless. Which is fine if you want to keep buying the same record.
You talking about the entire stretch of SoulFly's recording history or one album? If you are talking about their last album I might agree, it was weak and repetative overall. The first 2 albums were pretty good though. (just my opinion)
Generally, you can hear it in the music. You can tell when someone's not there emotionally. If that's not important to you, then that's cool. I just think angry metal sounds angrier and better when the band is actually angry.
Umm.. Don't take this wrong but are we talking about the same Max? You don't think songs like Bleed and First Commandment and Pain are angry? You know do know what the subject matter he is singing about is right?
Down on my knees
Hands stretched to heaven above
Christ this pain is hard to live with
Don't fill my heart with love
Engulf my heart with vengence
You need to see our pain
Don't fill this heart with love
That's about his son Dana who was murdered, which is the common theme of most of Soul Fly's music. Brazil is a very violent country, besides Dana they dedicate alot of it to other murdered friends.
Oh yeah, and how can you not like this?
No!
No Worship
No Bullsh**
No Muthaf***ing Hootie & The Blowfish
No F*** around
No Trust no one
No Enemies
No Redneck sh**
Hootie & the Blowfish? :roflmao:
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I've yet to be introduced to Exodus.
Exodus, movement of Jah people!
/me sings Bob Marley
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redrumloa wrote:
That's about his son Dana who was murdered, which is the common theme of most of Soul Fly's music. Brazil is a very violent country, besides Dana they dedicate alot of it to other murdered friends.
Sory, but technically Dana is not Max's son. Max has two sons - Zyon and I can't remember the other one). Dana is Gloria's from someone else.
I've managed to borrow Soulfly's 2nd album Primitive, I'll give it a listen this weekend :-)
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Vincent wrote:
Sory, but technically Dana is not Max's son. Max has two sons - Zyon and I can't remember the other one). Dana is Gloria's from someone else.
Well yeah to be technical it was his step son. Regardless Max obviously took it very hard, they must have been very close. IIRC I've seen Max refer to him as his son, which most good step parents do.
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redrumloa wrote:
IIRC I've seen Max refer to him as his son, which most good step parents do.
I must admit I've never seen it that way. I know they were close, but I didn't realise it was a father-son thing.