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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Failure on July 20, 2004, 01:30:54 AM
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Well, I am the guy who wound up with the A3000UX that was up for grabs here not too long ago. I received it from an aquaintance in the Chicago area only today, and I didn't waste any time getting it back up and running :-)
It is running Amiga Unix 1.1 right now. I did not know the root password, which presented a problem: I do not have my other 3000 yet, so I can't make the AMIX install disks...I tried mounting the filesystem on a Solaris box at work, but didn't have any luck. So I brought the machine home, recompiled the Linux kernel on a spare box with UFS/SysV FS support and various partitions support...no luck there, either. So I just dd'd the whole drive into a file, and ran "strings amix.img | grep root > rootgrep" on it. Then I searched through the file with vi until I found this little gem:
root:vbe9NP8WVbix6:9937::::::
Muahaha. Ran john-the-ripper on it:
failure@shodan:~/john-1.6/run$ ./john passwd
Loaded 1 password (Standard DES [48/64 4K])
guesses: 0 time: 0:00:00:05 (3) c/s: 20667 trying: barrin - meo1
guesses: 0 time: 0:00:00:16 (3) c/s: 18386 trying: pumel - coodog
guesses: 0 time: 0:00:00:47 (3) c/s: 58066 trying: pactie! - ar24958
wasp (root)
guesses: 1 time: 0:00:01:23 (3) c/s: 81622 trying: wikl - wnc7
Yay! So I put the drive back into the system, booted it up, and here is the first login on this system in a long time:
http://failsure.net/~failure/img/dscf0156.jpg
Check out that uptime! ;-) Amiga: stable like a rock! And for kicks, here is a pic of the current setup:
http://failsure.net/~failure/img/dscf0157.jpg
Off to play some more now. Can't wait for the A2065 to show up so I can get this thing on the internet.
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Failure
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Looks like fun. Dead battery? Any data on the drive to show where it was used?
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Oh! my baby! She loves you hehehe!
I'm glad to see you cracked into it!!
-Jamie
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Cool, respect:)(http://web.amigarulez.com/logo.asp)
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Yeah, the battery is actually missing. Jamie conscientiously removed the leaky battery, so when the system is powered on it thinks it's the tail end of 1977. I can't decide right now whether to replace the battery or just hook the system to the UPS and leave it on all the time.
Jamie thinks the system may have come from a power company Commonwealth Edison. Wherever it came from, it was obviously put to work. The hosts file lists things like "Joliet Data Center Vax" and "IBM Mainframe". There are no less than 13 systems identified as Amigas with IP addresses in the host file. The last time the system was used was January 3, 1998, and it was shut down at precisely 2:00 PM, likely until Jamie got it and powered it up.
I started X and put an xterm and stuff up, but lacking a mouse at the moment couldn't do anything else. The display is black and white.
The machine has both cc and gcc compilers, and some Amiga specific binaries I didn't get a chance to play with in /usr/amiga/bin. gcc is 1.37. One of the two users had an AmigaOS startup file in his home directory, the other user only had a core dump.
*edit* the system had a NIC in it when it was at work, the system still looks for it at boot time and complains since it isn't there...
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Failure
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congrats!!!
I want one of those Amiga 3000UX. :cry:
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I think Commodore used to sell 3000UX packages with a 2065 and 2410 graphics board. I see you've already got a 2065 on the way, but if you could get a 2410, you'd probably have a killer AMIX rig. I've never seen one for sale, though. Ever. :-(
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That´s really cool man. I hope you can get your hands on all the things that an A3000UX was delivered with. :-)
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angrybrit wrote:
congrats!!!
I want one of those Amiga 3000UX. :cry:
As do I.
One of the classiest Amiga's ever.
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The A2410, A2065, A2232 and A3070 were all options. I had the option of getting a UX when I bought my A3000. IIRC, the only difference was the Unix installed on the HD and about $100.
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Well, at least the tape drive ( A3070 ) has to be standard, since tha Amix OS was delivered on tape... :)
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FYI my 3000UX was delivered with an A2065 and A3070.
I can't remember for sure but I think both were mandatory in Canada...
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Very very very cool!
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that's cool
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Hi
Great that you found all that back information. I bet among a few of those 13 Amigas, three were of the A2500s I have in the garage still. I cannot find Amix on their HDDs however, they all have KS/WB 2.04.
Joliet is a suburb of Chicago so that part of it makes sense.
As for the A2065 NIC.. hmm :-P sorry I needed one for my A3000T but from what I understand they are not too difficult to obtain. I'm not sure of the graphics card, I didn't see anything like that in any of the Amigas, except one of the A2500s had a Microway Flickerfixer AGA or whatever they are called cards in the video slot. My 3000T already has flickerfixing (Thank you C= !) and a Picasso II.
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@Orjan
The one I looked at had Unix on the HD, and a tape, but no drive. It was a lower end model just like the A3000 (030/25MHz, 1M/4M, 100M HD) I ended up with. Although, it may have been how Creative Computers was selling them.
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Thats very neat ... my god we're all nerds!
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9697 days? Thats like over 30 years, lol
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it would be a cool thing to compile the dnetc client for amix :-D - just to see how the stats server handles this.
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My wish was always to have an Amiga 3000UX/t with Unix on it
I honoustly don't remember if there was a towered model with UNIX now though? I think there was.
Bizarre tower, I know, but still, something I wanted to have. To me it was the Holy Grail of computing at the time (hey, I was only like, 18 at the time)
Me, more or less left the Amiga now, although keeping an eye on OS4 and the A1 board, but it's a longshot. Too late, too expensive, too small market. But hey, I could be wrong (Please!)
Anyway, WAY to go on the running AMIX!!
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Matt_H wrote:
I think Commodore used to sell 3000UX packages with a 2065 and 2410 graphics board. I see you've already got a 2065 on the way, but if you could get a 2410, you'd probably have a killer AMIX rig. I've never seen one for sale, though. Ever. :-(
Yes. I don't expect of find one of those, although I am looking for one. Probably what I will do is just redirect the Amiga's display to another X server on the network, so that I am not stuck with 1-bit(!) color. But I can't do that until I get the ethernet card :-/
I'm getting more software on the machine despite the lack of networking using Kermit (I wonder how many remember that) through the serial port at a stately 500 CPS, approx. So far I have compiled gzip, and am currently transferring the screen utility to the Amiga. I think screen will make working on a slower machine like that much more pleasant! Thankfully it already had tar, since the sources were 4 meg and would have taken a couple hours to transfer.
I was able to make Amix 2.03 install floppies yesterday too, thanks to Kermit. These were able to boot my other 3000 with 3.1 ROMs, but it didn't see the 2MB memory card plugged into one of the Zorro slots, only the memory on the motherboard.
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Failure
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Something else I just thought of; from the BBoAHW:
"The A3000UX is fully capable of running AmigaOS in every way the 'normal' A3000 is but was supplied with the special Kickstart 1.4 ROMs that were designed to either boot UNIX or load the real Kickstart from a file."
What version ROMs are in your 3000UX? I've got a standard 3000 with 1.4 ROMs, but there's no option anywhere on the bootmenu for UNIX, even ghosted out. I'd love to get AMIX onto this machine to test it out.
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I always thought that the A3000 and the A3000UX was exactly the same machine, only that the UX was shipped with Amix instead of AmigaOS... And the "special" optional cards...
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Amix works with 3.1 ROMS, so I doubt there is anything special about the 1.4 bootstrap roms that it came with. Maybe the new owner can give it the test and see. IIRC, the only thing you could do with the standard bootstraps was to choose the kickstart version (It's been a long time, I swapped the bootstraps out after the first time I lost my kickstart file).
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I've been fighting for a long time to get AMIX on my 3000. It's not a UX but I'm sure the systems were the same. I do have the tape drive but it's having real problems so I need to take it apart. After that comes the hurdle of recreating an install tape. I've tried the stuff from the mmhart web site but I can't be sure it's working given that the tape drive isn't very stable. I may hit you up for questions in the near future. :-)
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Matt_H wrote:
What version ROMs are in your 3000UX? I've got a standard 3000 with 1.4 ROMs, but there's no option anywhere on the bootmenu for UNIX, even ghosted out. I'd love to get AMIX onto this machine to test it out.
You'll have to forgive my ignorance of pre-3.1 ROMs here, I can describe what I have but I don't know if it's different than what is standard. Basically, the boot menu has kickstart options to load 1.3 and 2.0 from HD or floppy. If I select 2.0 HD, it loads the kickstart from HD, reboots the system and begins loading AmigaOS 2.x (this doesn't complete, as it tries to finish booting from the network...?). If I do not interact with the boot menu, it loads UNIX. If I do not interact with the boot menu, but I put a bootable WB 2.0 floppy in the drive, it begins to boot AmigaOS but fails (I forget the error). If I do the 2.0 HD option from the boot menu, with the floppy inserted, it boots WB 2.0 from the floppy.
Sorry my description must sound like I'm calling AOL tech support, but I have never used any but 3.1 ROMs!
Regarding the AMIX tapes, I've read the descriptions of all the problems people were having there as well. But it seems that the people who were trying to make tapes were doing so from another UNIX? The install script is very simple, so if the cpio files are on the tape in any order it seems like it should work, the problem may be that the Amiga simply can't read the tape written on another system. It's a stretch but once I get ethernet on the thing, I will try copying the files over and making an install tape from AMIX. If that works I'd be happy to provide copies.
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Failure wrote:
You'll have to forgive my ignorance of pre-3.1 ROMs here, I can describe what I have but I don't know if it's different than what is standard. Basically, the boot menu has kickstart options to load 1.3 and 2.0 from HD or floppy.
That sounds normal. Although I can't boot 1.3 from the hard drive since I don't have an appropriate A3000 kickstart ROM for 1.3 (have to use SuperKickstart - wish there was a way to extract the 1.3 image from it!).
If I select 2.0 HD, it loads the kickstart from HD, reboots the system and begins loading AmigaOS 2.x (this doesn't complete, as it tries to finish booting from the network...?).
Also sounds normal. As to why the boot fails, if the UNIX side of the machine was once hooked up to a large corporate network, it's probable that the Amiga side is too. There was once a full port of Novell Netware for the Amiga, maybe it's trying to load that?
If I do not interact with the boot menu, it loads UNIX. If I do not interact with the boot menu, but I put a bootable WB 2.0 floppy in the drive, it begins to boot AmigaOS but fails (I forget the error). If I do the 2.0 HD option from the boot menu, with the floppy inserted, it boots WB 2.0 from the floppy.
So it sounds like UNIX is the default, unless overridden. That seems logical since there's no way to manually start it up.
EDIT: But now that I think about it, what will happen on a 3.1 machine? Maybe it just follows boot priority (and can be manually changed by picking a different boot partition)?
Sorry my description must sound like I'm calling AOL tech support, but I have never used any but 3.1 ROMs!
Don't worry about it ;-)
Regarding the AMIX tapes, I've read the descriptions of all the problems people were having there as well. But it seems that the people who were trying to make tapes were doing so from another UNIX? The install script is very simple, so if the cpio files are on the tape in any order it seems like it should work, the problem may be that the Amiga simply can't read the tape written on another system. It's a stretch but once I get ethernet on the thing, I will try copying the files over and making an install tape from AMIX. If that works I'd be happy to provide copies.
That'd be a great historical service. I just hope there aren't legal problems.
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Well I figure, it's already available on the internet for some years... :-)
Maybe "they" don't mind because nobody seems to be able to install it!
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Failure
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If I do not interact with the boot menu, it loads UNIX. If I do not interact with the boot menu, but I put a bootable WB 2.0 floppy in the drive, it begins to boot AmigaOS but fails (I forget the error). If I do the 2.0 HD option from the boot menu, with the floppy inserted, it boots WB 2.0 from the floppy.
I believe it's looking for icon.library or font.library or something to that effect... I got that once too. I don't think Kickstart 1.4 has all the necessary libraries and device to actually load Amiga OS
-Jamie
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Regarding the AMIX tapes, I've read the descriptions of all the problems people were having there as well. But it seems that the people who were trying to make tapes were doing so from another UNIX? The install script is very simple, so if the cpio files are on the tape in any order it seems like it should work, the problem may be that the Amiga simply can't read the tape written on another system. It's a stretch but once I get ethernet on the thing, I will try copying the files over and making an install tape from AMIX. If that works I'd be happy to provide copies.
If I get my tape drive up and running, I will try to make it again as well and would be happy to help with copies also. I've been making them from NetBSD running on my 4000D. Aside from the hardware issue, I think the creation process is working. I think the drive will be disassembled this weekend Amiwest permitting.
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I believe it's looking for icon.library or font.library or something to that effect... I got that once too. I don't think Kickstart 1.4 has all the necessary libraries and device to actually load Amiga OS
"This disk requires Kickstart 2.0 or later"? That's what I get if I quit out of the boot menu.
I was reading over the 3000 schematics today, and the Shipping parts list actually indicates a Workbench 1.4, Extras 1.4 and Workbench 1.4 Manual were to be packed in. Must be a very early version of the schematics... or Commodore never updated them. I wonder if any 1.4 sets were ever produced/are still around?
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Hi,
I wonder if any 1.4 sets were ever produced/are still around?
Well you can downlaod the 1.4 workbench from Workbench Nostalgia (http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b14.html) (as well as read a lot of cool info and see some screen shots) and the full 1.4 sets were distributed at the Amiga San Francisco developer conference on the 7th of June 1989 (SF-Devcon 89.2)
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Just for kicks (haha, get it? we were talking about kickstart! haha...ha...*cough*) I tried putting the AMIX HD into my 3000 with 3.1 ROMs. It failed to boot, but it did try to boot _something_. I got one of those pretty flashing red boxes as a result.
I'm a little sad that it didn't Just Work, but the fact that it boots ok from the AMIX 2.03 install floppies seems to indicate it's not an insurmountable problem. The version on the HD is 1.1, which is the first release AFAIK, and very buggy if Usenet is to be believed.
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Failure
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Just for kicks (haha, get it? we were talking about kickstart! haha...ha...*cough*) I tried putting the AMIX HD into my 3000 with 3.1 ROMs. It failed to boot, but it did try to boot _something_. I got one of those pretty flashing red boxes as a result.
Any chance you are running > 68030? It doesn't work with 68040. AMIX doesn't work with the A3640 (for example)...
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@Matt_H
legal problems?
Like logging into the business network of a large power company? ;)
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Failure wrote:
Matt_H wrote:
I think Commodore used to sell 3000UX packages with a 2065 and 2410 graphics board. I see you've already got a 2065 on the way, but if you could get a 2410, you'd probably have a killer AMIX rig. I've never seen one for sale, though. Ever. :-(
Yes. I don't expect of find one of those, although I am looking for one. Probably what I will do is just redirect the Amiga's display to another X server on the network, so that I am not stuck with 1-bit(!) color. But I can't do that until I get the ethernet card :-/
Actually, there are AMIX drivers for third-party cards, too, thanks to some nice people at Villagetronic. For ethernet, there is an Ariadne driver, and there is at least an X server for Picasso, possibly other cards, too. So if a better X is all you want, and won't mind settling for third-party, that's the way to go. Have a look at the original Gateway UNIX CD.
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Hey, thanks for that info! I had the understanding that only the Ariadne driver was available. I wonder where I can find those CDs, though :-/
I was able to repair a broken, spare Amiga mouse (2-button only) and actually use X. Despite being 1-bit color, it's actually not that bad. Predictably, the X server is much, much faster than when I tried it in Linux on another 3000 some years ago now. I ran good ol' xeyes, xcalc, and a GUI file browsing utility.
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I actually have the Gateway CDs, although I don't know nearly enough about UNIX to figure out what everything on them is. I *think* I've found the Picasso drivers, but since they seem to be compiled for NetBSD, I don't know how to get them working under AMIX. If there is source code, I haven't found it yet.
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I was finally about to get the machine online yesterday, with the receipt of an A2065. It was easy to get the NIC to work...it "just worked". It was harder to get it to actually get outside the local network. For example, to get DNS lookups to work at all, I had to change a link from libsocket.so from libsockhost.so to libsockdns.so...which I only found after trawling in Usenet archives for about twenty minutes. Also for some reason, it's not setting the default route so I stuck a little hack startup script (S99hack ;-p) to do it at the end of the boot process. But it works now. And, yes, I put it on the internet:
http://bfe.homelinux.net/
Note that is on a flaky ADSL line and dynamic IP, so it's not unusual for it to be down periodically. I chose NCSA as the webserver since I figured it would be likely to compile without trouble. I was mostly right.
Now that it's on the network, it will be much easier to get new software on it, and to try to make the install tape mentioned earlier. Good ol' rcp.