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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Macca on July 19, 2004, 10:41:52 AM
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Hi.
Well I have an Amiga running OS 3.1. That's it - nothing else (fresh install).
I have a null modem cable connection between the PC and the Amiga. However when I've been sending a few images to the Amiga I've had a few random errors so I would like to try something different.
I have a PCMCIA card which I can use. Where can I get drivers for this (are there any generic Amiga ones?)
And what software would I need to transfer between the two?
Failing this is there any faster way to transfer via the COM port (via null modem cable) faster than 19200?
If you can provide links to any of the files mentioned I would be most grateful.
Cheers,
Macca
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Get a parallel cable and PC2Am (http://ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/comm/misc/PC2Am308.lha). You'll get ~50kB/s using that solution.
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Amiga serial ports are able to do 56kb. And with some device on Aminet they reach 115Kb. Do you have error checking enabled?
As for faster transfers you're talking about a nic PCMCIA card that you have? The existence of drivers depends on the model you have. Again check Aminet, be patient and read a few stuff 8-)
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@Macca
I have a PCMCIA card which I can use. Where can I get drivers for this (are there any generic Amiga ones?)
And what software would I need to transfer between the two?
On Amiga, you'll need Miami (or any other tcp/ip stack) and samba client (called smbfs.lha) from aminet. On pc, win98/2k/xp with its built-in samba functionality will be enough.
Most pcmcia ethernet cards are supported by cnet.lha drivers from aminet. 3com may need another driver pack (also from aminet). Anyhow, you should just try your card... More, if you have A1200, you may need to insert into your startup-sequence 2 little utilities: CardPatch and CardReset (once more from aminet), which will fix PCMCIA reset bug.
Real speed will be near 400kB/s (kiloBYTES!) [on my 060/50]
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@lordv
It's funny the differences in transfers rates people have, I've seen some mention around 900KB/s. Maybe they wanted to mean Kb/s ?
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Thanks for the replies all.
Another quick question - I'm going to put the Amiga's LAN cable into a Hub - will this be okay?
How do I browse on the PC side and what resources will I get access to (assuming I just click on the My Network Places)?
Also I have a mini DHCP server here - does the Amiga side pick up it's own IP?
Sorry about the questions just trying to get it straight in my head - lol
Also regarding the transfer speeds people have mentioned - is that actual bandwidth transfer speed or the protocol it's based on (i.e. 56k = 4kb transfer speed / 512k = 50k transfer speed)?
Macca.
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@Jose
It's real. I got 786KB/s with my 060@64. A friend got 819KB/s on his overclocked 1260 system.
This was real 30MB transfer using FTP, timed with stopwatch.
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@Macca
How do I browse on the PC side and what resources will I get access to (assuming I just click on the My Network Places)?
smbfs lets you mount any pc share as amiga disk, but if you need to browse your amiga from pc, you should install samba package on amiga (seek aminet for 'samba'). Amiga will then be visible as another computer with its shares on your pc.
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@Piru
That raises my will to get a PCMCIA Nic card to my A1200. What model both of you use, do you think it makes any difference?
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@IIWrath
Are you talking about the actual transfers or protocol? I'm referring to the various theoretical speeds you set up in the preferences editor. I haven't done anything special, my A1200, wich ATM is completely bare (040 card being upgraded...), works well at the 56Kbps setting (with error checking enabled I think). Maybe some builds can achieve more? Or maybe you were talking about real transfer speeds? Or maybe there was some incompatibility with the device you were using it with?
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If I don't remember wrong I think I used 56000 bps setting when I had my A600 (or A500). I had to use RAM: for downloads and everything was sloooow... But it worked :-)
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Are you talking about the actual transfers or protocol? I'm referring to the various theoretical speeds you set up in the preferences editor.
Oh yeah... I can SET the value to anything I want. But if I want to actually USE that value, that is where the problems begin.
I use reasonably shielded serial cables and a reasonable quality null-modem, so the errors aren't from those. I can use them to reliably connect two PCs via serial at 56k, so it isn't a source PCs fault, either. If I plug in an Amiga at 56k, massive amounts of errors ensue, though. Transfers bog down to the point that the actual transfer speed drops below 19.2kbps. Even sending to RAM: or a fast HD doesn't help. 19.2kbps seems to be the reliability cut-off. :-( Any speed above that seems to actually slow down the transfer due to all the error/resends.
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115kb works fine for me using miami on amiga1200/030 using null modem cable it works perfectly for web browsing/downloading but i have to lower the speed to 56kb when i use amiga explorer to transfer files from pc
:-)
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Hi again...
You say 115kb works for you via Miami? Which version of Miami are you using to use a Null Modem cable. I just thought Miami was for the TCP/IP stack?
Any chance of a link?
Many thanks
Macca.
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What model both of you use, do you think it makes any difference?
Don't buy 3COM anyway! :) What about me, I use cnet cn40 - rather old one. Maybe the best thing is moneyback?
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Well here at the moment the only one I have to try tonight is (and you may have guessed it):
3COM Megahertz LAN 10/100
Model: 3CXFE574BT
Anybody know what drivers I will need to potentially get it running? Recommended software (all I need to do is transfer files over to the Amiga - it took me 8 hours to transfer the equivalent of 40 disks last night so you can see my need to get this working).
*EDIT: Would I also be able to connect the Amiga to my Netgear Router and download the files off my PC via a FTP client / daemon setup (obviously the Amiga acting as the client)? I think that would be the easiest approact for me.
Many thanks for all your help,
Macca.
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@Jose
Apollo RE450CT and
NetGear FA410TX
Both gave the abovementioned speed on 060@64.
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Miami 32b and yes miami is for tcp/ip i am using miami tcp/ip trough a nullmodem cable since i do not have a network card for the amiga and yes i reach 115kb the connection is between amiga os 3.9 and win xp.Miami is downloadable from aminet as for the rest of the files you need to setup miami connection if you need them i will send them to you
:-D
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Sad to say after searching Aminet - I'm still not sure which Miami I need.
Also how does the Amiga LAN card get an IP - obviously my DHCP server which push out an IP but I don't know if the Amiga end will accept it?
Does Miami do that side as well?
Cheers,
Macca
P.S. Email me the stuff if you get chance so I know I have the right one:
maccaz@dsl.pipex.com
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I sended all the files to you -----arriving to your mailbox :-D
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Thanks mate, I eagerly await them..
Don't suppose anyone knows if there are any generic PCMCIA LAN card drivers?
I have not tested it yet on my Amiga so can't comment but getting prepared for when I get home...
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Still had no email off you mate - sorry to pester you but would you check the email address and resend if possible.
Many thanks,
Macca.
maccaz@dsl.pipex.com
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3COM Megahertz LAN 10/100
Model: 3CXFE574BT
As far as I know, that card is not capable of being supported on Amiga. (I think all 3COM Megahertz models are actually Cardbus cards.)
The only 3Com ones that work are the older Etherlink III style cards (most common is the 3C589.)
The Amiga is only capable of using original PCMCIA devices, and there is no "generic" PCMCIA network driver, as each card family is implemented slightly differently.
The only two families that are supported are:
3c589 (Etherlink III chipset) (through 3c589.device)
generic NE2000 chipset (through cnet.device)
With a little searching at the local swap, you should be able to find one of these cards for $5-$15, though. I have a 3c589 sitting here looking at me, but I haven't had a chance to copy over Miami and try to get it installed properly. (In fact, up until a couple weeks ago, I had no idea where I saved my Miami keyfile... Which is seriously a problem, since you can't confirm old ones, or even buy new ones, anymore. :-( )
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Well I'll give it a try tonight - can't hurt? lol
I do actually have an Etherlink III card here as well but I'm missing the bit off the end (though a mate at work might have one).
Will report on how it goes - wish me luck!
Macca.
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Hi mate.
The problem is definately your end I'm afraid you are trying to send a virus to me (not deliberately I know).
You need to remove the virus before you can send them to me.
If you go here:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
And click on 'Scan Now. It's Free' that should hopefully sort you out.
Cheers mate,
Macca.
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Ilwrath wrote:
3COM Megahertz LAN 10/100
Model: 3CXFE574BT
As far as I know, that card is not capable of being supported on Amiga. (I think all 3COM Megahertz models are actually Cardbus cards.)
It's true that that card isn't compatible (it's not Cardbus, but I think it needs DMA), but many 3Com Megahertz cards do work.