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Title: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: xeron on January 29, 2003, 01:03:14 PM

 :-D  :-D  :-D

IOSpirit (http://www.iospirit.de) are selling full versions, and if you already registered 2.x, you can get an update from their downloads link!

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Madgun68 on January 29, 2003, 01:16:11 PM

I was just checking out the demo. Rendering seems a lot better, but I'm curious how well javascript is working now. The demo seems pretty limited in some aspects.

Anyone here a regestered Ibrowse user? Does the javascript work (better) on Amiga.org? (Things such as smilies, quoting.. etc.)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: blobrana on January 29, 2003, 01:50:01 PM

Cool,
 javascript now is a lot better,
visually it`s better, and perhaps a slight speed increase as well...
the SSL is a welcome feature (although not new).

Thanx guys... :-D

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: trgse on January 29, 2003, 01:51:50 PM

well I'm a registered IBrowse user and none of the stuff you mentioned seem's to work.

but remember that this is just a really minor update.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Ryu on January 29, 2003, 02:00:26 PM

well the JS of the buttons works, its the pasting of the code into the message window is the problem, probably an mui issue or something.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Desolator on January 29, 2003, 02:23:15 PM

I never used IBrowse before, but are typing this from it. I say...wow. :) Very nice Broowser.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 29, 2003, 02:29:27 PM

WA..and may I add HOO! Nice. After a little scare. Something which a swift reset soon cured. Its up and running. I was about to say I`ve seen no change, but I`ve just one while typing. At long last it word wraps! Very nice.

Its nice to have a config file to just load, and bang its 99% setup. :-)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: lempkee on January 29, 2003, 02:33:38 PM

This is just the secondmost thing i have been waiting for, u all know what the most wanted thing is i guess :)

damn i am happy that i finally can use my fav browser at everything i need it for atm.

until then NO further comments :)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 29, 2003, 02:36:59 PM

I`m just waiting for some renegade Voyager/AWeb user to come on here and start bashing it.

"I haven`t used IBrowse since v0.0001b because its rubbish!"

:-D

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: ikir on January 29, 2003, 02:37:57 PM

I'll try it.....

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Madgun68 on January 29, 2003, 02:46:41 PM

Quote

I`m just waiting for some renegade Voyager/AWeb user to come on here and start bashing it.

I don't see why (it'd be untrue if anyone did say something like that.) I'm a registered Voyager user, and I've used Aweb quite a bit. After the testing I've done with the new Ibrowse, I must say that I'm VERY pleased with the progress made. So much so, that I'll be voting for it with my dollars.

So far, I've tried a few problem sites and they've worked quite well (paypal logged in great, hotmail worked with deleting messages.)

Good stuff imo.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: AmiDelf on January 29, 2003, 03:04:55 PM

Ibrowse v2.3 is sooo cool!!! And for sure, I didnt have any problems with Ibrowse v1.12 -> v2.2 either. v2.0 was a bit unstable, but v2.1 came out fast after v2.0, so the pain wasnt there too long :)

Go go go go Ibrowse developer team! This is such a thing that keeps me alive and also keeps our Classic Amiga a bit more alive too...

This is worth the wait, and be sure that Amitopia will come out with a test when its out!

Regards,
AmiDelf
url: www.amitopia.tk

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: blobrana on January 29, 2003, 03:36:59 PM

hehe,
javascript doesn`t DO much...

anyway just tested it on WINUAE and it works too fast! the gifs are a blur...have to slow it down...

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 29, 2003, 03:56:45 PM

@Madgun68

I didn`t mean every Voyager/AWeb user. I meant theres always one who tries to get everybody wound up and go against public opinion. Well thats the way things have been going lately anyway.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: duesi on January 29, 2003, 04:55:34 PM

OK yeah they have fixed the flickering when the Page loads on cybergfx very nice !


I just updated my 2.2 Registerd-Version but i get
an error message when IBrowse launches

unable to load javascript.library !?

what I'm doing wrong ?

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: duesi on January 29, 2003, 05:27:54 PM

OK sorry about the post before...
I only have to reboot....
Now I'm testing my long awaited Update

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: on January 29, 2003, 06:17:57 PM

Is it true that iBrowse 2.3 is coming as part of the OS4 package?
If so will it be full or limited demo.?

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 29, 2003, 06:40:29 PM

It will be unregistered. Amiga developers can`t go the free way at the moment. They have to make money somehow.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Ryu on January 29, 2003, 07:37:10 PM

honestly some people.... Its been mentioned time and time again that IB2.3 will be shipping with OS4, its common knowledge that the Ibrowse thats coming with OS4 wont be a full version, but it wont be a demo either, it will be a lite version, what that entails I dont know, and to me it doesnt matter, I can just stick my keyfiles in and away I go :-D

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Madgun68 on January 29, 2003, 07:59:59 PM

Has someone been to Slashdot using the new release? On my PC, WinUAE goes way wonky when I try to visit that site.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Targhan on January 29, 2003, 08:17:20 PM

I don't suppose anyone here realizes just how much money they are asking for IB2.3, do they?

Why in Sam's #$!$  would I pay $55 for a browser?!!?  Not if it supported the features I want, not if it come with a JVM, just no.  I am sorry, the price doesn't reflect on it's usability.  

IB guys: I'll go so far as $35 USD.  

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: KrasH on January 29, 2003, 09:17:31 PM

Quote

duesi wrote:
OK yeah they have fixed the flickering when the Page loads on cybergfx very nice !


I just updated my 2.2 Registerd-Version but i get
an error message when IBrowse launches

unable to load javascript.library !?

what I'm doing wrong ?

I read your next post aswell. I actually have a program in c: called flushlibs. No need to reset. A minor thing I know, but it saves me a few seconds ;)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: KrasH on January 29, 2003, 09:25:01 PM

Quote

Madgun68 wrote:
Has someone been to Slashdot using the new release? On my PC, WinUAE goes way wonky when I try to visit that site.

I loaded slashdot on my windblows box and on my A4000 with Ibrowse 2.3. Both computers use the same monitor. I did a switch and noticed only a very very minor difference. The right column on slashdot, on the login/password part is just a few pixels off. Nothing major at all and looks great otherwise ;)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: jumpship on January 29, 2003, 09:28:58 PM

@targhan

I think that £35 is more then fair for a piece of software. The biggest problem is that we are so used to web browsers going free (Netscape, IE, Mozilla) that we forget that it does cost money to make a complicated program such as a web browser. And seeing as the guys who make IB probably don't have a huge financial backing from other projects, this may be the only way they have to finance the project.

No doute IB is far from complete when it comes to features (but then in the ever changing world of the Internet, which browser is?) but if enough people show interest, and more importantly buy it, I am sure those features will be integrated into the program.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: SlimJim on January 29, 2003, 09:37:36 PM

Quote

Targhan wrote:
I don't suppose anyone here realizes just how much money they are asking for IB2.3, do they?

Why in Sam's #$!$  would I pay $55 for a browser?!!?  Not if it supported the features I want, not if it come with a JVM, just no.  I am sorry, the price doesn't reflect on it's usability.  

IB guys: I'll go so far as $35 USD.  

 
Welcome to the small market. You have to expect this until we become much bigger (and more people actually _buy_ software).
.
SlimJim

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Madgun68 on January 29, 2003, 09:53:55 PM

Quote

I loaded slashdot on my windblows box and on my A4000 with Ibrowse 2.3. Both computers use the same monitor. I did a switch and noticed only a very very minor difference. The right column on slashdot, on the login/password part is just a few pixels off. Nothing major at all and looks great otherwise ;)

Ah! It's as I thought then.. WinUAE still doesn't function right on my stupid PeeCee. All I get is a screen full of corruption. Thanks.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Targhan on January 29, 2003, 11:38:34 PM

@SlimJim

I do understand the ramifications of a small / verticle market.  However, that price is far too high considering that they may charge that again for the next upgrade.  Even if they didn't, their competition is $40 (V) or free (AWeb).

Nothing against IB, it's a good browser (for the market it's in), and the upgrade seems really nice.  But... That's too much to ask.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: on January 30, 2003, 12:00:21 AM

Does anyone here know how to turn on the spoofing?

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Roj on January 30, 2003, 02:22:01 AM

Under URL Prefs in the Settings window, you can enter a url pattern, then select specific features for that site. One of them is the spoofing option.

Unfortunately because the way IBrowse does spoofing, it still won't work with my online bank account.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: blobrana on January 30, 2003, 02:24:41 AM

i think the default is netscape...

 :-o

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Roj on January 30, 2003, 02:29:56 AM

One thing I'll say about IBrowse 2.3, it's very fast at loading tables. I'd gotten somewhat used to Voyager's method of click on a link to a large table, and go make a sandwich while it renders the thing.

The only problem I've seen so far is that IBrowse uses the default font rather than the fixed-width font for rendering

 tags. Normally that's not a big deal, but I can't use IBrowse to look at text maps I frequently refer to for a role-playing game.  Any IBrowse experts know how to configure around this without using a fixed-width font as the default?
			

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Roj on January 30, 2003, 02:38:43 AM

Voyager's spoofing works, and fools most sites into believing they're being accessed by Mozilla rather than by an Amiga browser.

Voyager spoofs with "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Win98)". It also allows the spoof string to be user-configured.

IBrowse uses "Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) (Compatible IBrowse/2.0 (AmigaOS 3.1))" which is hardcoded and gives away the fact that it ain't really Mozilla, and some sites require more to be convinced.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: poweramiga2002 on January 30, 2003, 02:45:54 AM

YES YES YES OW MY GOD YES I HAVE IB 2.3 and its fantastic bloody fantastic too all who worked on it you have reached the god status thankyou all so much !!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Warrent on January 30, 2003, 04:23:45 AM

@ Madgun68

"Anyone here a regestered Ibrowse user? Does the javascript work (better) on Amiga.org? (Things such as smilies, quoting.. etc.)
"

I just tired the "Quote" under message with you and I got the javascript text box.  The text box come up empty.  I could type in it, yet when I went to preview, nothing showed up.

It seems it tries, but not quite there yet.

Warren

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Hammer on January 30, 2003, 04:40:25 AM

Quote

Ah! It's as I thought then.. WinUAE still doesn't function right on my stupid PeeCee. All I get is a screen full of corruption. Thanks.  

The latest JIT-WinUAE works fine with my WinXP-Pro-SP1/nForce2(SPP/MCP-T)/GeF4TI(with 41.09 drivers) box.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: poweramiga2002 on January 30, 2003, 09:15:25 AM

yup i sure am a registered user of Ibrowse seems that smileys dont work ow well next time?

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: ryufo on January 30, 2003, 10:01:31 AM

when does it support flash? nice page have flash, but the new version of ibrowse does not support. If it came with OS4.0, i think that the Os must have a browse that supports flash.

:(

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 30, 2003, 10:46:06 AM

Flash would be nice, even if its not so great. The more compatability the better obviously. There ren`t that many sites which use flash anyway. I would say that thats quite a low priority really.

Role on v3!

As for the price. You`ll have to under stand why the price is what it is. £35 isn`t OTT is it? Its not £350. Thats the way your acting. They NEED some money. If they charge a small price (like I`m sure they would like), they wouldn`t make as much money. Simple as that. Get it?

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 30, 2003, 10:49:48 AM

Nobody believed me when I said that somebody would bash it. :-)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: lempkee on January 30, 2003, 12:42:45 PM

quite weird this really, i would belive that the reason for the high price is due to ALLREADY 90% of the amiga market had bought an earlier version so they didnt exactly expect major sales.

but then again it seems from the looks of it that only 3 of the people in here is regged users (v2 or v1->).

Maybe the whole priceing scheme havent worked out?? , maybe we need to make a poll? to make the publisher aware of that there aint many who has it allready regged???

anyway i am regged but i still think that someone should do a serious poll on this as the os4 version of ib2.3 is a SE version so basically that means another demo version (without a 30min barrier i guess (speculations ONLY)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Darth_X on January 30, 2003, 01:39:12 PM

CSS on the wish list. *yawns*

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Nick on January 30, 2003, 02:18:39 PM

Well CSS will be in v3 so no need to keep wishing :-)

Yes I`m surprised at the lack of registered users on here. Can`t remember if I`ve said this before. I`m registered.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: lurkist on January 30, 2003, 02:24:10 PM

Thought I'd add my quid's worth.
I downloaded IB2.3 last night and had a very stable night's browsing.  So stable in fact that The IB icon now has pride of place on my Workbench screen where V used to be.  (well I made an icon myself as I hate those magic icons)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Prmetime on January 30, 2003, 03:36:24 PM

I am a registered user of IBrowse and I have been waiting for this upgrade for quite a while.  I find the new IBrowse to be more stable, slightly faster, and now that I have AmiSSL, I can access secure pages again.  All things considered, this is a fantastic upgrade.  Just for the fact that someone is coding for the Amiga again is a fantastic thing.  Frankly, to keep coders working on the Amiga, I would pay the $55 USD price if I hadn't already done that with the previous versions of IBrowse.  Bring on v3.0!

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: on January 30, 2003, 06:07:54 PM

If I had unlimited funds, I'd buy IBrowse.  Unfortunately, I don't, and $55 US is on the high end of expensive game software.  If I'm spending near that much I'm planning on getting Payback before that, and the deathbed vigil.  Not to mention still trying to gather funds for the AOne.  I would have to agree with the earlier post that $35 would be a more appropriate price point for a browser.  I think Opera retails for $39, and it is far more advanced, of course.  Obviously, the lack of a JVM is not the IBrowse people's problems.  That should be an issue the OS developer should take care of, or Sun, not that Sun gives a flying flip about the Amiga.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: FuZion on January 30, 2003, 06:26:09 PM

Right then,

I'm off to register it NOW.

No holds, straight to their site click & go!

More of us should just do it, Nike style ;-)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: duesi on January 31, 2003, 05:11:45 PM

Me again hehe
I just before installed the AmiSSL2.2 archive
In IBrowse settings select Support AmiSSL2
and go on...

And have a nice Weekend !

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: FuZion on January 31, 2003, 06:15:42 PM

All done :-D

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: DamienMcKenna on January 31, 2003, 06:22:56 PM

Quote

javascript doesn`t DO much...

Javascript is used a LOT by a large number of corporate sites and a huge number of smaller ones.  However, many sites are badly coded so that they don't work without Javascript as they do dumb things like code the links in JS when they should be straight HTML.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Marky_D_Sahd on January 31, 2003, 07:38:06 PM

I registered before.  No smilies or quotes.  But look at Apple.com  WOW!  That page never worked on ANY amiga browser I tried!  Sorry for the terseness, still in pain.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Markus_Bieler on January 31, 2003, 09:50:19 PM

> Unfortunately because the way IBrowse does
> spoofing, it still won't work with my online
> bank account.

I had to patch IB myself. Just serach for the string "IBrowse/2.3" and replace it with "Mozilla/4.0" :hammer: and save the file under "Mozilla".

I now have two icons on WB (IB + Mozilla), Mozilla for the sites that needs it. (Yellownet in Switzerland)

Markus

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: FuZion on January 31, 2003, 10:00:36 PM

www.egg.com works :-)

I've never seen my statement before. I wish I hadn't now ;-)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Targhan on January 31, 2003, 10:06:20 PM

@Nick

Not registered, because I've registered AWeb (before open source) and Voyager.  At the time, for each product, it was the best decision.  I get the feeling that at $55 they are trying to PUNISH those who would otherwise register.  

Maybe I wouldn't be so condesending on the product if for the $55 it had everything it needed, but it does not.  I'm not talking about the lack of a JVM either.  JS isn't up to par, no CSS, spoofing is handled very well, no Flash, etc.  Sorry, for the amount of money they want IB needs an upgrade badly.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: pVC on January 31, 2003, 10:32:28 PM

"I read your next post aswell. I actually have a program in c: called flushlibs. No need to reset. A minor thing I know, but it saves me a few seconds ;)"

And even standard "avail flush" might do it :)

And about the IB2.3, I just love it and I was happy to pay 35e for the update from 1.x. 55e would have been fine too... I'd rather spend it on good app (which you use every day) than some game for example (which you might play once through and then it's forgotten to shelf).

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: Tomas on January 31, 2003, 11:07:14 PM

Quote

ryufo wrote:
when does it support flash? nice page have flash, but the new version of ibrowse does not support. If it came with OS4.0, i think that the Os must have a browse that supports flash.

:(

When macromedia decides to port flash to amiga?? They barely develope for linux, so doubt we will see flash support in near future...

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: futaura on January 31, 2003, 11:48:01 PM

Quote

Not registered, because I've registered AWeb (before open source) and Voyager. At the time, for each product, it was the best decision. I get the feeling that at $55 they are trying to PUNISH those who would otherwise register.

I'm a little bit bemused regarding the fuss over price.  Anyone would think the price has gone up, but it hasn't (ok, the upgrade price is slightly higher now).  I realize people have forgotten what IB2.2 sold for, as it's nearly 3 years ago, but until not so long ago  HiSoft were still selling IB2.2 for £34.95.  Now, from IOSPIRIT, IB2.3 costs £34.09.

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: cecilia on February 01, 2003, 01:25:32 AM

check out
/opera (http://www.opera.com/buy/)

for version 7 they are asking USD 39 with a student discount of USD 20.

opera is one GREAT browser (i'm using it now!) and i downloaded it for free (just been using it for about 2 days). it has ads unless you pay for it. the ads don't botherme, and i will probably pay for it eventually. i also got the linux version for whenever i may get linux able to get online.

anyway, i did pay for AWeb and if IBrowse is good, i am willing to pay for that as well. for when i get WinUAE installed!

paying for programs is worth it sometimes!

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: tonyw on February 01, 2003, 01:39:21 AM

Hi Cecilia, I use Opera for mostly everything on the PC. There are a couple of IE-only financial sites that won't allow Opera to open, but in most cases Opera does the job of IE in half the time.
I believe that some years ago the Opera team were making a version for Amiga, but the job was dropped when the market died.
Maybe we can look forward to a resurgence of interest in the Amiga and maybe even a version of Opera for the Amiga (hope, hope).

tony

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: on February 01, 2003, 01:42:26 AM

"I had to patch IB myself. Just serach for the string "IBrowse/2.3" and replace it with "Mozilla/4.0" and save the file under "Mozilla"."


How exactly did you do this?

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: on February 01, 2003, 03:00:48 AM

(Excuse me if someone has already mentioned this, I haven't read all the responses)

With the new Ibrowse you can log into Amiga.org!

While I could get onto Amiga.org and read news with Voyager and AWeb, I couldn't actually log-in for areas like this before.  And I'm just using the demo version!

:-)

Title: Re: IBrowse 2.3 is OUT!
Post by: blobrana on February 01, 2003, 05:04:56 AM

WELL SAID....

and when you consider that it will transform your LIFE, there is really no question...