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Title: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: djkoelkast on July 15, 2004, 11:19:40 AM
Hey,

is there an AmigaOS browser (I use OS 3.9) which supports css (stylesheets)?
75% of the websites look like crap now. Using the original registered version of IBrowse 2.3 now.
Already tried to find something but no luck...

Can anyone help me out?
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: miles on July 15, 2004, 11:23:59 AM
No Amiga browser supports CCS.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: djkoelkast on July 15, 2004, 11:28:49 AM
but are they planning to develop one?
or maybe something like a plugin (I'm not really like a programmer :P)
I saw at the IBrowse site the plans but when is this version gonna finish?
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: mikeymike on July 15, 2004, 11:37:12 AM
There's a group porting Mozilla to the Amiga (but think PPC only at least).
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: bhoggett on July 15, 2004, 11:42:40 AM
@mikeymike wrote:
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There's a group porting Mozilla to the Amiga (but think PPC only at least).

There's also the Amizilla bounty and project. I'm not sure if a PPC only port would qualify for the bounty though.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: djkoelkast on July 15, 2004, 12:01:45 PM
I'm not planning to use PPC as this is not really an Amiga anymore... keep sticked to my 68k :-)
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Framiga on July 15, 2004, 12:15:59 PM
Hi djkoelkast

IBrowse developer team, is still working on.

The first update, will be IB 2.4 (bugfixes and some little enhanchements) soon.

The CSS-DOM support, is planned for the 3.0 version but the release date, hasn't been announced.

Ciao

Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: mikeymike on July 15, 2004, 02:01:47 PM
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djkoelkast wrote:
I'm not planning to use PPC as this is not really an Amiga anymore...


Where's that "bang head against a brick wall" emoticon when I need it?
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: mikeymike on July 15, 2004, 02:03:03 PM
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Framiga wrote:
Hi djkoelkast
IBrowse developer team, is still working on.
The first update, will be IB 2.4 (bugfixes and some little enhanchements) soon.


Out of interest, how do you know this?

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The CSS-DOM support, is planned for the 3.0 version but the release date, hasn't been announced.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: djkoelkast on July 15, 2004, 02:04:47 PM
(http://images.fok.nl/s/frusty.gif)

here it is, but really I don't want to step over to PPC
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Framiga on July 15, 2004, 02:13:47 PM
Hi mikeymike

from the IB ML and such :-)

Ciao

Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: xeron on July 15, 2004, 02:39:10 PM
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mikeymike wrote:
Out of interest, how do you know this?


If you check the agent field in the amiga.org access logs, i'll bet you get at least one "IBrowse 2.4 Beta" (possibly not that exact string). There are a few guys testing it right now, but i don't know if it has ALL the features of the final 2.4.

Edit: Heres an actual quote from the petergordon.org.uk access logs... "0.10%  IBrowse/2.4beta (AmigaOS 4.0)"
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Argo on July 15, 2004, 04:11:03 PM
Also, Isn't the Aweb team working on using KHTML as their new core?
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Amiga1200PPC on July 15, 2004, 04:19:13 PM
No.
Perhaps Galaxy o Galaxy will tackle KHTM eventually for his Konquerer Browser, but nothing decided, yet.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: KennyR on July 15, 2004, 04:24:31 PM
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djkoelkast wrote:
I'm not planning to use PPC as this is not really an Amiga anymore... keep sticked to my 68k


Then I advise you to forget CSS and modern browsing standards and stick with ugly IBrowse, because at least IBrowse will work at decent speed on 68k. Any decent modern CSS/HTML4 engine will be too slow on any real 68k, even if the coder optimises the hell out of it. And they wouldn't want to do that, it would make it too hard to maintain.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: smithy on July 15, 2004, 05:58:42 PM
Check out Paihia which is also in development.  The announcement is at:

http://ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1086891353.msg


Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: HopperJF on July 15, 2004, 06:39:18 PM
A 1996 standard...
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Argo on July 15, 2004, 08:18:09 PM
Didn't someone say, some time ago, that they had ported Netscape to Amiga 68K. I remember this form the early Amizilla discussions here.
Any way, What counts is active projects, progess reports, and releases(alpha, beta, full). I'm looking forward to see what the various efforts produce.
If anyone have any news on these efforts, please encourage them to submit their news items.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: djkoelkast on July 15, 2004, 09:08:44 PM
Sorry but ''ugly'' IBrowse is very fast here ;)
Absolutely no problems with speed or anything, I just miss css suppert, that's all
And a PPC is not an Amiga if you ask me ;)
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: HopperJF on July 15, 2004, 11:18:00 PM
Opera was meant to be releasing an Amiga version in late 1998, but sadly they realised the state the Amiga was in and abandoned ship..
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Hyperspeed on July 16, 2004, 12:26:23 AM
Before any of that fancy stuff can someone sort out Yahoo Mail!? For
the last few weeks amiga users haven't been able to delete or send
mail etc.

No response from the browser coding community!

I just want to add, once I heard you can run the freeware Internet
Explorer 3 or Netscape 3 on Shapeshifter if you have 32mb of RAM. And
it's very nice too.

Probably more compatible than the latest Amiga browsers!

:-)
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: miles on July 16, 2004, 01:19:21 AM
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Hyperspeed wrote:

I just want to add, once I heard you can run the freeware Internet
Explorer 3 or Netscape 3 on Shapeshifter if you have 32mb of RAM. And
it's very nice too.

Probably more compatible than the latest Amiga browsers!

:-)


You can run IE 4.01 and Netscape 4.05 on Shapeshifter, they work ok, I needed netscape to access my bank.  On my system I gave Shapeshifter 40Mb ram to work with, it was plenty to browse with.  Compatibility wise I found that some sites that Ib and V would not work on would work, others would not.  A version 5+ browser on Shapeshifter would solve this but 68K versions do not exist.
Title: Re: AmigaOS browser with css support?
Post by: Waccoon on July 16, 2004, 02:19:50 AM
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is there an AmigaOS browser (I use OS 3.9) which supports css (stylesheets)?

I was wondering the same thing.

It should be noted that a browser doesn't have to have 100% support for all CSS1 commands... "graceful degredation", and all that.  Simple support for colors and borders would be nice.  Adding proper padding, margin, and float (UGH!) support would be pretty painful for a 68K system -- even Mozilla doesn't always do it right.

Hell, I don't think any browser does it right, as I've found out the hard way.  Real CSS coders are aware of compliance issues and code accordingly.  They're much more aware of compatibility problems than HTML coders (sort of like comaring VHS to LazerDisc owners a decade ago.  They're definately not the same class of people).  ;-)