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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: Guyver on January 28, 2003, 10:32:35 AM
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You are sooooo going to get flamed! :-P
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Why, as far as I can remember, there were a lot of people who was sad, when pe2000.net went dowm
But if people want to flame me, then go ahead, i couldn't care less :-P :-P :-P
Flaming can't hurt me. I don't think much of people who flame others, they can disagree and call them bad names, but flaming is a wast of time, since they dont know me.
And besides, if one still could get a hold of the old games for the amiga, in stores or over the net, and i'm not talking about Ebay now, there wouldn't be that many roms around, and i would be much happier if i could get the games on floppy, rather than going this way.
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Dead links anyway
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nope. click on the link "dont know" when the site appear, press the field with Amiga writing on it, and boom your there.
Or so the screen on my pc tells me. :-D :-D
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When you say "Amiga roms", do you mean actual roms, or are you using the emulamer term for games? I can't access the site from here.
Kay
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ive seen lots of sites with roms but i dont bother with them i have most amiga games i like. here is some more http://www.adt.cz/~bambitka/hry/
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@Guyver
While it is usefull to have links for old Amiga games that have no legal problems in us downloading them, i do think you need to be carefull on posting sites that also carry illegal Amiga Kickstart roms.
Correct me if i'm wrong but isnt that one of them on that site "Kickstart 1.3"
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Calen, i'm well aware of the problem.
Just wasn't thinking about it.
But in my own oppinion i don't a problem downloading from a site that host games, that really can't find anywere anymore, do you?????
If the sites host newer games like Heretic 2 og Quake 1/2....and that sort of games, then i have a problem with, becuase then you are hurting the profit of companies that are still making games for the Amiga today. And we dont wanna loose them.
I know i wont.....because, if we loose the games, then i belive that the number of active users would drop.....not that people only use the amiga for gaming, but a lot of people do :-) :-)
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They are not ROMs. They are images of game disks.
Consoles (like the Sega Genesis or the Nintendo SNES) stored their games on ROM cartridges. So, when a console game is dumped it is often referred to as a "ROM".
Computers on the other hand, (such as the PC, the Apple Mac, or the Amiga) store their software on disk, or on CD-ROM, or more recently DVD.
Certain computers (such as the C64, Vic-20, or the Atari 800) did have a cartridge port which could accept games on ROM cartridge but this made the games very expensive to produce and so most games were on floppy disk or on cassette tape.
If you download some software like this it is not a ROM. The only "ROM"s ever available for Amiga is the kickstart ROM. There is a (broken) link to kick1.3 on that page but you seemed to be referring to the disk images...
If you download a game for your PC do you call it a "ROM"?
EmuLamers coming on Amiga IRC channels begging for "Roms for playing on Amiga emulator" really p**s me off, sorry.
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Guyver wrote:
Calen, i'm well aware of the problem.
Just wasn't thinking about it.
But in my own oppinion i don't a problem downloading from a site that host games, that really can't find anywere anymore, do you?????
If the sites host newer games like Heretic 2 og Quake 1/2....and that sort of games, then i have a problem with, becuase then you are hurting the profit of companies that are still making games for the Amiga today. And we dont wanna loose them.
I know i wont.....because, if we loose the games, then i belive that the number of active users would drop.....not that people only use the amiga for gaming, but a lot of people do :-) :-)
I see. and can you tell me the exact timeframe after which a programmer has finished a project that it is ok to begin stealing his work? 1 year? 2 years?
Actually 90% of sales of a new game are in the first three months, so I guess we should start pirating games after it's been out for 3 months, after all the developers have already recieved most of the money they were going to get, so it's not like they'd be losing anything. Makes sense?
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Hay people if you take a look at the site they have games which get called roms.
But it also has kick start 1.3 which is a real rom, now that should not be there!:-x
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now you are just plain silly.
Use your brain instead of asking such silly question.
I talking about games that you can buy anymore, not even the company who produced it.
Like games from Team17, Core desing, Ocean, Bitmap Brothers......i'm sure you know the rest ;-) ;-) ;-)
I'm not saying that is okay make illegal copies of games, well maybe on the pc :-D :-D :-D :-D
okay bad joke, couldn't help it
You might have guessed it by know, that i was talking about the games, that some people would call abandonware
But what is abandonware, people say that a game is abandonware, when you can buy it anymore. But a game is not abandonware before, the company who made it, say it is.
I could be wrong, but how come the you dont find any true abandonware-version of team17 games anywere?????
Well it could be because that the true abandonware sites, the legal 1's, hasn't premission from the companies, and that bug's me. Because if the company has no plans what so ever with the game in question, then why the #### wont they allow it, to be released as abandonware????
I might be a long reply and it may be a little confusing.
I you dont understand my point, i'll gladly tell it again in here or by P-mail
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by AntonioX: Hay people if you take a look at the site they have games which get called roms. But it also has kick start 1.3 which is a real rom, now that should not be there!
I agree.
Since i cant imaging that they has the permission
So they may have some illegal stuff, thats true.
but besides from that, can any1 download from the site????
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Guyver wrote:
by AntonioX: Hay people if you take a look at the site they have games which get called roms. But it also has kick start 1.3 which is a real rom, now that should not be there!
I agree.
Since i cant imaging that they has the permission
So they may have some illegal stuff, thats true.
but besides from that, can any1 download from the site????
Nope!
That damn Superscout keeps us from having any fun here at work... :-P
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the same here :madashell: :destroy: :pissed: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting:
i bloody hate that nipple-donkey firewall
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Lando wrote:
I see. and can you tell me the exact timeframe after which a programmer has finished a project that it is ok to begin stealing his work? 1 year? 2 years?
Far be it from me to defend piracy, but I think you're just being anal now.
If people download "Moonstone", I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Where could they have bought it from?
Of course it's not up to us to say "one year (or whatever) has passed, it's OK to start 'stealing' (committing copyright infringements)".
If let's say a decade old game is no longer available for sale, it's dead. Gone. No more people will play it legally. If someone downloads it, it's alive and played.
Sure, the laws and principles of copyright persistence and ownership still apply (at least if the copyright owner is still around, IANAL), and maybe some day in the future that game might be released commercially again in a classic compilation or something.
It's a gray zone. I just don't see a reason to get upset and waste energy on this. If the copyright owner is still around and wishes to defend his copyright, it's up to him to enforce the issue.
I think that chasing this kind of "pirates" is like arresting people with dandruff for littering and environmental pollution. :)
There's "real" and commercially damaging piracy going on all the time, and the effort is better spent there.
Leave people with dandruff alone, and go after oil-dumping tanker ships and industries dumping hazardous waste, to stretch my comparison further... ;)
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I really can't be bothered to go through this whole argument again, regardless of how many names (abandonware...) people make up to try to justify their stealing other people's property.
If you want to download LEGAL games for playing on UAE (or your real Amiga if you're not just an emu freak) then go to BTTR (www.back2roots.org). All the games on there are legally available for download because the current copyright holder has given explicit permission.
If there's a game you would like to download (for example, the Team17 games have been mentioned) but you can't find it, then you should email Martyn Brown at Team 17 and ask him if he'd be willing to release the game as freeware. If he says no then accept it.
For most games, it shouldn't be too hard to find the current copyright holder. Many of the old Amiga developers are still in business or have been bought out (for example, the rights to Ocean's and DID's games are now owned by Infogrames)
If people download "Moonstone", I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Where could they have bought it from?
Fine by me if they want to download Moonstone - the copyright holders have given their permission for the game to be made freely available.
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Guyver wrote:
Like games from Team17, Core desing, Ocean, Bitmap Brothers......i'm sure you know the rest ;-) ;-) ;-)
So email the companies you mentioned (Ocean is no longer around but the rights to their back-catalogue is owned by Infogrames) and ask them!
So busy downloading "ROM"s that you don't have time to write an email?
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Amiga.org site policy strictly prohibit's piracy, even linking to a pirate site.
Amiga Inc have clearly stated kickstart rom images are NOT to be freely distributed, therefore that site is a pirate site.
Furthermore the Amiga kickstart images are part of the commercial legal emulation emulation package Amiga Forever (http://www.amigaforever.com).