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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: staggy on July 08, 2004, 09:23:34 AM
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Hi folks!
I managed to lose my A1000's Kickstart disk. I got lost when I moved house. Is there anywhere where the disk can be purchased or maybe downloaded legally? I hope it will pop up afterall but that remains to be seen.
Thanks for any help!
staggy
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I could mail you a copy of my Kickstart disk. I do not think that Commodore or Gateway cares anymore. :-)
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Someone mailing a disk is probably going to be the easiest (only) way.
As for the legality, well, AFAIK, the A1000 is clear to use any 1.x kickstart disk. And the disk would be useless to anyone who didn't own an A1000, as you still wouldn't be able to use the kickstart without an Amiga. (ie, a PC couldn't read the disk to extract the file for use in UAE, or whatever.) I'd say you're in the clear to mail a copy of a kickstart disk.
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Well, it is in fact illegal..
Just like you aren't entitled to free wb disks if you got a used A500 without them..
Amiga Inc likened it to a used car: if you don't get the manual / jack / whatever when you buy a used car, you aren't entitled to free ones from the manufacturer, the car is sold as is.
Such is life. Luckily there's the internet where you can illegally download things like this with the minimum of hassle. ;-)
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Jope wrote:
Well, it is in fact illegal..
Just like you aren't entitled to free wb disks if you got a used A500 without them..
Amiga Inc likened it to a used car: if you don't get the manual / jack / whatever when you buy a used car, you aren't entitled to free ones from the manufacturer, the car is sold as is.
Such is life. Luckily there's the internet where you can illegally download things like this with the minimum of hassle. ;-)
You have it wrong. This situation is nothing like a car.
For the record Commodore did provide a free (+shipping and media cost) new kickstart disks upon request.
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Not so sure about that, though. For example, the local Commodore authorized shop used to offer free workbench / kickstart disks to replace any damaged disk you brought in. Of course, who's to say they weren't bending/breaking the rules to do that.
Anyhow, downloading isn't going to do this poor chap any good, because even if he DOES find a kickstart disk image (very rare, as opposed to the ROM images, which are everywhere), he'll have no way to write it back to a disk. :-(
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bloodline wrote:
You have it wrong. This situation is nothing like a car.
I have it right, that's how the dude at Amiga Inc. explained it to me. I don't remember his name now, but I probably still have the emails somewhere..
You don't get WB disks even though they are a part of the OS (and you already own a part in the kickstart chip).
For the record Commodore did provide a free (+shipping and media cost) new kickstart disks upon request.
Amiga Inc or possibly KMOS owns the OS now.. The terms have changed from the Commodore times..
I was given the reason that they can't give the old versions out, because the new versions are based on them + there is software that they have licensed. Thus they're not allowed to spread the stuff without the licensers permission.
Go figure.. I don't know for sure if that's really a valid reason, or do they have delusions of actually making money with the 1.x stuff. (well, Cloanto seems to be mildly successful at that..)
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Amiga Inc. don't own anything and KMOS has said nothing (I don't expect to hear any noise from that direct either).
Anyway, I see no problem with providing someone with an A1000 kickstart disk when they own an Amiga 1000.
If you have any concerns about this send an Email to KMOS, asking them to sue you.
Going back to your car analogy... You buy your car, but you replace the battery, You forget to note down the Radio code... The car manufacturer will provide you with the Radio code.
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Well, it is in fact illegal..
Is it?
How is getting something you already own illegal?
I'd say thats fair use and while thats an official thing in the US the concept does exist in other countries.
Besides, when I first got an A1000 they included originals of WB 1.1 but copies of WB 1.2.
My second A1000 didn't have any originals but I already own them anyway as I have Amiga Forever.
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To answer the original question... :)
Back when I fired up my A1000 for the first time (a few months back now!) I found that my Kickstart disk was knackered. Luckily I found a handy program on the Aminet which takes a standard ROM image (like you can download quite easily) and makes a bootable Kickstart disk from it. Works a treat for my A1000 (a very early one).
Can't remember what it's called, that program, but it's on there somewhere. Let me know if you can't find it, and I'll find out what it was.
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spirantho wrote:
To answer the original question... :)
Back when I fired up my A1000 for the first time (a few months back now!) I found that my Kickstart disk was knackered. Luckily I found a handy program on the Aminet which takes a standard ROM image (like you can download quite easily) and makes a bootable Kickstart disk from it. Works a treat for my A1000 (a very early one).
Can't remember what it's called, that program, but it's on there somewhere. Let me know if you can't find it, and I'll find out what it was.
Now that sounds like a cool program!
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util/misc/WriteKickDisk.lha (http://ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/misc/WriteKickDisk.lha) ?
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Seeing as this machine is about 19 years old and can only be used with a kickstart disc theres nothing wrong with getting a copy of the disc otherwise the machine is near to e=rubbish because you cant use it. :-o
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BoingBoss wrote:
I could mail you a copy of my Kickstart disk. I do not think that Commodore or Gateway cares anymore. :-)
That would be very nice, I'll get in touch via eMail. Thanks everybody else for your help!
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Piru wrote:
util/misc/WriteKickDisk.lha (http://ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/misc/WriteKickDisk.lha) ?
That's also an idea. I have a wide range of Amigas to vhoose a Kickstart version from... :-) Just no 1.2 and 1.0...
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> Just no 1.2 and 1.0...
And them you can get from an old Amiga support site http://home.t-online.de/home/r.benda/software.html
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@Zipper, you better read the T&C of this site, and remove the link from your post :-)
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How is getting something you already own illegal?
If you lose your Peaches and Herb's Greatest Hit's CD, you are not entitled to a brand new copy for free if you lose it. Lost it? Buy a new one. You aren't buying the content outright, you're buying a piece of plastic that carries the content. Lose the plastic, lose the music. You aren't allowed to make copies for people and you aren't allowed to steal another CD (which is what copying is).
Once people get off this whole "mine! mine! mine! free! free! free!" kick, the logic is clear.
To get a free disk from Commodore back then, you still had to prove you were an owner of an A1000, which is what you did when you sent in your registeration card.
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Let's see now... I own the software though I've currently missplaced the media it was on so I recreate the software from a backup... if this is my backup or someone elses backup shouldn't matter as I still own the software in the first place.
And sure, if bad ppl knock on my door thretten to bust my "pirat organization" whide open cause of this, I'd use the next few days to turn my house uppside down to find the originals to prove I own the software.
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bloodline wrote:
@Zipper, you better read the T&C of this site, and remove the link from your post :-)
Had a look round that site and A3000 KS and Workbench disks have been removed. It looks like the A1000 files there are legal so the link should not be against a.org's T&C. Maybe a mod could contact the sites admin and clarify?
Quote from site:
Because of reactivated copyrights of the new AMIGA owner, this file is no
longer available on this website. If you need support for defective
diskettes etc., please contact "http://www.amiga.de" or "http://www.cloanto.com".
All OS and WB files till version 2.0 are released on the new Amiga+ (3/2000)
magazine cover cd with permission of Amiga International (Germany). CD32 developer
files are released with the permission of Amiga International on the first
"CD32 Outside" magazine cover cd. You can also find UAE with OS 1.3/3.0 and
workbench 3.0 files on the "PC-Magazin" cover cd, march/2000.
Cloanto has now also realeased a cd called "Amiga forever plus pack" which
contains the os versions 1.0 - 2.04.
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minator wrote:
Well, it is in fact illegal..
Is it?
How is getting something you already own illegal?
I'd say thats fair use and while thats an official thing in the US the concept does exist in other countries.
Besides, when I first got an A1000 they included originals of WB 1.1 but copies of WB 1.2.
My second A1000 didn't have any originals but I already own them anyway as I have Amiga Forever.
*yawn*
Look, I thought just like you did, and was just as vocal about it as you did. Then someone told me to ask amiga inc and I did, and they said no, you don't get the missing disks for free.
That's it. Perhaps it's changed AGAIN, but at least back when A Inc was in business, this was their take on the subject.
Why is it so difficult for you people to believe me?
I don't even agree with their "no disks for free" policy, yet I'm here trying to persuade you to acknowledge, that this is what they told me.
Do I really need to start digging through my old email archives? I'm not really that interested in the subject any more.
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If you lose your Peaches and Herb's Greatest Hit's CD, you are not entitled to a brand new copy for free if you lose it. Lost it? Buy a new one. You aren't buying the content outright, you're buying a piece of plastic that carries the content. Lose the plastic, lose the music. You aren't allowed to make copies for people and you aren't allowed to steal another CD (which is what copying is).
Once people get off this whole "mine! mine! mine! free! free! free!" kick, the logic is clear.
Look, I thought just like you did, and was just as vocal about it as you did. Then someone told me to ask amiga inc and I did, and they said no, you don't get the missing disks for free.
Do I expect to be given a CD if I break it? No.
Do I expect to be given a CD if I lose it? No.
Do I expect to be able to copy my CDs to all and sundry? NO.
I like music and I am happy to go out and buy it, I have 400 original CDs to prove it. I have neve used Kazza, Napster or any other file sharing system. so don't give me this free, free, free bo****ks. I am not arguing in favor of pirating discs.
I am however expecting some COMMON SENSE to be applied to a guy with a computer which hasn't been on sale for 17 years and needs a disc to work it.
It may indeed by "technically illegal" to make a copy of a kickstart disc but does anyone really care? Is KMOS going to sue over it? Could they win even if they did?
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> @Zipper, you better read the T&C of this site, and remove the link from your post
> Had a look round that site and A3000 KS and Workbench disks have been removed. It looks like the A1000 files there are legal so the link should not be against a.org's T&C. Maybe a mod could contact the sites admin and clarify?
> Quote from site:
> Because of reactivated copyrights of the new AMIGA owner, this file is no
longer available on this website. If you need support for defective
diskettes etc., please contact "http://www.amiga.de" or "http://www.cloanto.com".
So it's recommended to check the whole posting before a hasty posting...
At least I trust on Rainer Benda, who has been a well-reputed Amiga reseller.
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Hi folks!
The panic is off... I found somebody who supplied me with an original Kickstart-disk. Thanks for all your help and suggestions.
Staggy, now happily re-united with his A1000!
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Staggy, now happily re-united with his A1000!
Yay! :pint:
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Hi everybody, I know it's a pretty old thread, but this is the one which best matches my problem. I have an old Amiga 1000 which was not used since a lot of time... Today I'd like to give him life again for my young daughter, but I can't find the old KickStart 2.1 boot disk which was needed a few years ago... And even if I could find it, I don't think this fragile floppy would still be usable. So I would really appreciate if someone could send me an ISO of KickStart. [kwansetsu AT yahoo DOT com] Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. :-) Kwan