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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mahen on April 11, 2012, 10:22:51 AM
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Hi everyone !
I just figured out a couple of games (including the Obsession Pinball) behaved in a very strange way with the Lyra 2 PS/2 keyboard adapter, while everything else seems to work like a charm. (I use it for an arcade cabinet : pictures incoming :-)
For instance, keys do not react or take a time to react or stick. If I use the Amiga kb, everthing is all right. The fact that I just hit one key from the PS/2 keyboard puts Obession in a strange state where even the Amiga kb stops working properly. Sometimes, it comes back to normal after a few other keypresses but it even crashed once.
What is really strange is that, in most games, everything works as expected : keys do not stick and are super responsive. Fortunately, Slam Tilt and Pinball Dreams/Fantasies/Illusions work perfectly ;-)
--> my question is : is it a known fact that some whdload games do not work with the Lyra 2 (1200) and what may be the reason ?
Cheers & thanks for reading this :)
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Could you also test if Arkanoid gives you any problems (starting game/pausing)? I'm having probs with it but it might not be related to Lyra/WHDLoad.
Give a shout if/when you have tested it.Thanks.
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I have trouble with A1200 Lyra 2 also, but I always thought it's because I'm using it on an A500. After reading about your problems I'm not so sure anymore. When I return back to Workbench after playing some WHDLoad game, a single key press then produces multiple characters eg. if I press the c key I get about 4 of them. I need to soft reset the Amiga to get it working again. So maybe there are incompatibilities.
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I have also Lyra 2 and sometimes when exiting a WHDLoad game the keyboard does strange things like you had pressed some button down and it repeats that letter until I press any key on kb. Then it stops.
@mahen
Had time to test Arkanoid yet?
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Hi ! Well, no problem with Arkanoid nor Revenge of Doh. What shouldn't work ?
Can you try Obsession with your Lyra 2 please ?
I mailed Jens about it. He is not aware of the problem but has an idea what might be wrong. We should try to gather as much data as possible to help him fix it when he's time.
I'll try to find more titles which have issues and check when there are really Lyra 2 specific. (easy as I have both the built in keyboard and the PS/2 connected at the same time)
Meanwhile, can you guys give Obsession a shot ?
Cheers !
Mahen
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If most games work properly with the Lyra, I figured out 3 pinball games do not
- Obsession
- Pinball Prelude
- Pinball Mania
The following ones are OK :
- Dreams - Fantasies - Illusions and thanks god - Slam Tilt
Can you Lyra 2 users confirm those results ?
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Hi ! Well, no problem with Arkanoid nor Revenge of Doh. What shouldn't work ?
Can you try Obsession with your Lyra 2 please ?
I mailed Jens about it. He is not aware of the problem but has an idea what might be wrong. We should try to gather as much data as possible to help him fix it when he's time.
I'll try to find more titles which have issues and check when there are really Lyra 2 specific. (easy as I have both the built in keyboard and the PS/2 connected at the same time)
Meanwhile, can you guys give Obsession a shot ?
Cheers !
Mahen
In Arkanoid when I try to start a game with F1/1 the game just reboots and thus doesn't work. I tested also with a floppy version made from an adf-file. Same thing. Revenge of Doh works flawlessly.
Sure I try Obsession and those other Pinball games and report back.
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Meanwhile, can you guys give Obsession a shot ?
Yes, and I can confirm everything you said in your first post. I had to press the keys several times even to get a word typed in the copy protection screen. And after selecting table to play, the keyboard usually went totally unresponsive. Only soft reset was possible.
With Amiga keyboard Obsession worked without problems.
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Antti-pantti elefantti, can you try Arkanoid for me please? :)
I wanna know if it resets or goes wankers when you try to play the damn game...
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I wanna know if it resets or goes wankers when you try to play the damn game...
Played a few rounds of Arkanoid with no problems. Also Arkanoid: Revenge of Doh works ok.
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@Bamiga : Yep, no problem either with Arkanoid. (oops, I mentioned it earlier but after re-reading myself it wasn't clear).
@ Antti : thanks a lot for this test ! If other Lyra others could check too, to see if it happens in 100% of cases.
When you have time, can you give Pinball Prelude a try as well ? :-)
Well, I hope a solution can be found in the future, it's strange nobody reported those issues before.
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Well, I hope a solution can be found in the future, it's strange nobody reported those issues before.
I just got the Lyra 2 and for an external option on a desktop A1200. I have not played that many whdload games yet...
Anyway, i guess it depends on if the Lyra 2 is software flashable which i don't know.
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I tried Pinball Mania and it didnt work.
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If most games work properly with the Lyra, I figured out 3 pinball games do not
- Obsession
- Pinball Prelude
- Pinball Mania
The following ones are OK :
- Dreams - Fantasies - Illusions and thanks god - Slam Tilt
Can you Lyra 2 users confirm those results ?
I can confirm that 2 of those games are NOT working with Lyra/Lyra2.
Obsession: no response at all
Pinball Mania: VERY slow response or none at all
Pinball Prelude:
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I have the old Lyra (1 ?) and recognized some days a little delay pressing the keys when I played Slamtilt. Thought it could be the problem playing it on an DLP projector but having a Cinemateq scaler between the A1200 and the projector.
I think I have to try it once without the scaler and once also on the old Philips CM 8833 to be sure Lyra is the reason for this problem.
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Thanks for the feedback. This is pretty good as, at least, the bugs seem consistent and 100% reproducible, which should help fix them :-) Well, stll, strange no one seemed aware of this before ?
@ Borut : hmm, there is actually no delay at all on my setup (Lyra 2) with Slam Tilt or any other game. Actually, most games work completely perfectly, but some (those 3 pinball games) are completely unplayable.
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I have to apologise. Tested the game again and everything was fine. Probably there was a problem with a demo that I watched before.
So like You said Slamtilt and Lyra together have no problems.
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Somehow I had missed Pinball Prelude WHD-version, so tried that and guess what...keyboard delays there also. Strange it affects these pinball games so heavily.
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Any progress with this? Have you confronted more games with this issue? Sometimes with Lyra (using PC keyboard) I can reboot my miggy with just CTRL-Amiga (two-finger-salute) or just CTRL or Amiga reboots the computer. This has happened a couple of times. I was just editing some text with a text-editor and wanted to get '#' from the keyboard - instead I got a reset.
Entering conf mode (SHIFT-PAUSE) I can make the KB act normally again, until it goes nuts in a random-timeframe.
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Hmm, I'm pretty sure I experienced this once at the very beginning, but, some stuff was unfinished on my cab so I'm not sure it's Lyra related....
As I only play games on this machine, I only noticed the problem on the 3 pinballs, so far. But please continue to share you issues with us here, so we can try to reproduce them and report back to Jens !
Thanks !
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I also have a Lyra 2 on my A1200 and can replicate the Obsession Pinball problem. I wonder if it's due to slightly dodgy level 2 interrupt routines?
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Now that Pinball Prelude new WHDLoad-version starts OK, I can confirm that it has this same problem, VERY laggy input from Lyra and very quickly goes to a state where it accepts no input at all.
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Thanks for the feedback. Meanwhile, I found one more incompatible game : Ultimate Pinball Quest.
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Has Jens given any feedback on this? Any new games with similar problems?
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The Arkanoid-issue was fixed with a new WHDLoad slave that has modified keyboard handling :).
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I'm pretty sure I have this same problem with Super Stardust AGA. You have to press the space bar while playing to bring up your weapon selection screen. I have to press the space bar sometimes ten times for it to finally pop up, while trying not to get hit by an asteroid.