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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« on: May 28, 2013, 03:23:14 PM »
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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 10:55:42 PM »
If I were them, I would stop supporting new hardware immediately.
How many different Amiga models we had back then?
I would focus on making the OS run 100% perfect, supporting all hardware features of few great machines like: Mini G4 1.42 (A1200?), PowerMac G5 model XXX (A4000?) and PowerBook 1.67 (A1200m?): Wireless, Bluetooth and etc...

If you compare the most expensive Powerbook 1.67 17 Hires from eBay with the x1000, for example, that decision makes even more sense...

so, IMHO, adding support for new hardware is a waste of precious time from a small group.
}~ A1200 - Apollo 68040 - HOTLY running OS 3.1
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}~ Powermac Quicksilver 933 with Radeon 9600 XT (r300) LOUDLY running MorphOS 3.2
}~ [MY iOS GAME]: http://goo.gl/S9nWB (Amiga users can get it FREE[/color], just ask me)
 

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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 02:00:37 PM »
Signature updated.
BTW, what's ISA switch? Where can I gather more information about it?
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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 02:23:39 PM »
I think they should add an App Store, make MOS cheaper (~24.99 euros), and get a share (30%?) of app sales. That would boost everything: sales, new software for MOS, interest and etc...
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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 02:59:41 PM »
Quote from: gaula92;736894
Well, I would prefer an good-priced board  that's not a deadend and cheap to replace, like the Raspberry Pi. What we have now, overpriced deadend hardware (OS4) or legacy Apple crapware (MOS) is not desirable at all.
I wouldn't touch an OS4 board with a 10mts pole, if you're talking about that.

But it's Amiga we're talking about. Rational decisions that are good for both final users and developers aren't very common in Amiga-land.

 It has the best user community I have ever seen, tough :)


Gaula, most of your arguments are strongly subjective. I'll respond in some hours (in a meeting now! :) )
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}~ [MY iOS GAME]: http://goo.gl/S9nWB (Amiga users can get it FREE[/color], just ask me)
 

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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 08:34:53 PM »
The problem is that, any strategy/action might seem pointless if no one envisioned the objective.
What's exactly the "objective" for MorphOS/AROS/AmigaOS4?

For Apple and Microsoft it was always clear: Grow their users base as much close as possible to 100% market share.

If they're trying to "recreate"/"reimagine" what using an Amiga would be nowadays, maybe the best parallel with Commodore would be... Apple and they ended up with "a selected subset" of x86. I'll get back to this later.
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}~ Powermac Quicksilver 933 with Radeon 9600 XT (r300) LOUDLY running MorphOS 3.2
}~ [MY iOS GAME]: http://goo.gl/S9nWB (Amiga users can get it FREE[/color], just ask me)
 

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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 09:40:33 PM »
Quote from: kickstart;736941
mos, os4... are hobby OS, nothing more, but some people here think like a CEO


Well, not me...
That's why I asked about what's the objective. You say "Hobby OS". Fine.
Can you please help me with that definition? I tried Wikipedia with no luck....
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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2013, 01:42:30 PM »
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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2016, 01:00:57 AM »
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If I were them, I would stop supporting new hardware immediately.
How many different Amiga models we had back then?
I would focus on making the OS run 100% perfect, supporting all hardware features of few great machines like: Mini G4 1.42 (A1200?), PowerMac G5 model XXX (A4000?) and PowerBook 1.67 (A1200m?): Wireless, Bluetooth and etc...

If you compare the most expensive Powerbook 1.67 17 Hires from eBay with the x1000, for example, that decision makes even more sense...

so, IMHO, adding support for new hardware is a waste of precious time from a small group.


Glad to see that, even 3 years later, they're probably following my advice:
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When such a time does come, expect us to support one desktop motherboard (with one family of CPUs and GPUs) and one laptop. We'll of course make sure it's hardware that's actually available one way or another.
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A wise decision! Software is SO MUCH better when you know exactly what to expect! Amiga is not PC! Just take ONE MOBO, ONE PROCESSOR, ONE GPU (popular ones, of course) and code directly to that specific hardware!! Leave all the layers and virtual machines to the mainstream OSes...
}~ A1200 - Apollo 68040 - HOTLY running OS 3.1
}~ Powerbook G4 1.67 running MorphOS 3.2 without Wifi.
}~ Powermac Quicksilver 933 with Radeon 9600 XT (r300) LOUDLY running MorphOS 3.2
}~ [MY iOS GAME]: http://goo.gl/S9nWB (Amiga users can get it FREE[/color], just ask me)
 

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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2016, 02:04:26 PM »
found my original post @ MorphZone:

"The lack of a clear roadmap shouldn't be a surprise for me. It's a hobbyist project and it's clearly managed in that way. The only thing that's unusual is to charge prices over 100 euros for a hobbyist product...

Trying to think about strategy here, most probably the money does not make a huge difference. I can't imagine more than a couple copies being sold per month (average) and I can suppose they're not splitting that fortune equally among developers. How much are they? So, if money is really not the key point here, why the heck are MorphOS team always trying to support new/different/sometimes exotic hardware?

IMHO, trying to keep the spirit of the amiga, would be to choose a fixed system (remember, when developers know exactly what to expect, there's nothing preventing them to go, as low level as they want..., just like an Amiga)

i.e. Mac Mini 1.5 with Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, at least 1gb of ram, etc... Set the exact detailed model
That machine would be considered AMorph 500 or anything like that.

They should invest all human resources and efforts to make the system run perfectly on that machine. With everything supported. Why add an eMAC for example? Who wants those white elephants?

When MOS is running flawlessly, perfectly on AMorph 500. They might start to consider an AMorph 1200 (maybe the Powerbook 1.67 High-Res)...

Let people with old 1.25 minis or Powerbook 1.5 complain. It will be better to get another machine, than to have an incomplete operating system.
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}~ A1200 - Apollo 68040 - HOTLY running OS 3.1
}~ Powerbook G4 1.67 running MorphOS 3.2 without Wifi.
}~ Powermac Quicksilver 933 with Radeon 9600 XT (r300) LOUDLY running MorphOS 3.2
}~ [MY iOS GAME]: http://goo.gl/S9nWB (Amiga users can get it FREE[/color], just ask me)
 

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Re: Public release of MorphOS 3.2
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 04:22:55 PM »
Quote from: pVC;803917
It's 91 months since MorphOS went commercial and about 3143 registered machines since then.

It makes 34 licenses per month, more than one per day.

And this graph shows that the more there has been supported machines the faster licences have been sold.


I can almost bet it's not barely close to a linear distribution. Not to mention that the market is extremely limited and probably NOTHING would make them double that figure.

Yet, ~40.000 €/yr of gross revenue does not sound like a lot for a "team" + expenses.

So, I highly doubt money is their primary concern. Or, if it is, if that would be the right strategy...
}~ A1200 - Apollo 68040 - HOTLY running OS 3.1
}~ Powerbook G4 1.67 running MorphOS 3.2 without Wifi.
}~ Powermac Quicksilver 933 with Radeon 9600 XT (r300) LOUDLY running MorphOS 3.2
}~ [MY iOS GAME]: http://goo.gl/S9nWB (Amiga users can get it FREE[/color], just ask me)